Da Vinci Code in chess

Date: 22 May 2006 20:52:10
From: Zero
Subject: Da Vinci Code in chess

Hi,

I saw the movie, The Da Vinci Code, yesterday. It was an interesting
moving about a guy who does a treasure hunt by solving codes and clues
along the way. He said in the movie that symbols have different
meanings.

I was wondering if there are any secret coded messages on a chessboard.
Maybe a longtime the inventors of chess used the pieces as symbols to
meet something. They all represent royal and religious symbols. Maybe
placing the pieces in a certain pattern will create a treasure map.

Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
people during the game?

Date: 30 May 2006 09:15:50
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

tin S wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
>
> > Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> > historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
> >
> > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> > Frenchman.
>
> Of course they would all like you to believe that wouldn't they.
> That it is fallacies and absurdities and lunatic daydreaming...
> Else it wouldn't be a world conspiracy :)

I'm always amused at this sort of logic: the fact that there is no
proof of any conspiracy, is proof of how effective the conspiracy is!
The lack of evidence is all the evidence we need.

Date: 02 Jun 2006 05:45:26
From: Martin S
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Taylor Kingston wrote:

>> > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
>> > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
>> > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
>> > Frenchman.
>>
>> Of course they would all like you to believe that wouldn't they.
>> That it is fallacies and absurdities and lunatic daydreaming...
>> Else it wouldn't be a world conspiracy :)
>
> I'm always amused at this sort of logic: the fact that there is no
> proof of any conspiracy, is proof of how effective the conspiracy is!
> The lack of evidence is all the evidence we need.

:)
It's one large part of conspiracy theories.
And it's unbeatable - you can't argue against it, can you?

But then, reading Simon Singhs "Big Bang" one starts to wonder - isn't that
how "science" worked for most part of our history as well?

tin S

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Date: 30 May 2006 10:29:56
From: michael adams
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:

> What was Da Vinci telling us then?

It's a 'fresco' - Michaelangelo..

Date: 29 May 2006 08:37:17
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

tin S wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
>
> > Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> > historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
> >
> > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> > Frenchman.
>
> Of course they would all like you to believe that wouldn't they.
> That it is fallacies and absurdities and lunatic daydreaming...
> Else it wouldn't be a world conspiracy :)

My secret masters, the Illuminati Bolshevik Zionist Nazi Ladies'
Gardening Society, assure me that there is no world conspiracy.

Date: 29 May 2006 06:46:48
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

tin S wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
>
> > Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> > historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
> >
> > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> > Frenchman.
>
> Of course they would all like you to believe that wouldn't they.
> That it is fallacies and absurdities and lunatic daydreaming...
> Else it wouldn't be a world conspiracy :)

My secret masters, the Illuminati Bolshevik Zionist Nazi Ladies'
Gardening Society, assure me that there is no world conspiracy.

Date: 26 May 2006 06:54:20
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Claus-J=FCrgen Heigl wrote:
> No. Usually in a chess problem you look for the shortest way to mate and
> the moves were not so hard to find. The final position of this solution
> looks not special.
>
> Claus-Juergen

Aha, but that puzzle has a very special purpose. The goal is to find
the code and not the shortest way to mate.

Date: 25 May 2006 07:52:00
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Claus-J=FCrgen Heigl wrote:
> The position in FEN is: 2R5/3K4/3N4/3N4/r2p3Q/pp3q2/3k1BR1/1n1b4 w - -
>
> The problem with the given solution is that there are quicker mates and
> more than one key move:
>
> 1. Be1+ Kd3 2. Qh7+ Qe4 (2...Qf5 3. Qxf5 mate) 3. Qxe4 mate and
> 1. Be3+ Kd3 2. Qh7+ (2...Qf5 3. Qxf5 mate) 2...Qe4 3. Qxe4 mate.
>
> Claus-Juergen

Thanks for the info, I didn't use a computer. Did you see the secret
code
with your shortened solution?

Date: 26 May 2006 13:31:05
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claus-J=FCrgen_Heigl?=
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:
> Thanks for the info, I didn't use a computer. Did you see the secret
> code
> with your shortened solution?

No. Usually in a chess problem you look for the shortest way to mate and
the moves were not so hard to find. The final position of this solution
looks not special.

Claus-Juergen

Date: 25 May 2006 01:14:17
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Date: 24 May 2006 07:20:08
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:
> Zero wrote:
> > Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
> > people during the game?
>
> Yes, here's a puzzle with white to move to find the secret code:
>
> White's Position: Kd7 , Qh4 , Rc8 , Rg2 , Nd6 , Nd5 , Bf2
> Black's Position: Kd2 , Qf3 , Ra4 , Nb1 , Bd1 , pawns at b3, c3, and
> d4

The puzzle was real and the secret code is in the solution. Here's it:

1. Be3+ Kd3 2. Qxd4+ Rxd4 3. Rxc3+ Nxc3 4. Rd2# Nxc3

It's a cross.

Date: 25 May 2006 13:58:12
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claus-J=FCrgen_Heigl?=
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:
> LiamToo wrote:
>>Yes, here's a puzzle with white to move to find the secret code:
>>
>>White's Position: Kd7 , Qh4 , Rc8 , Rg2 , Nd6 , Nd5 , Bf2
>>Black's Position: Kd2 , Qf3 , Ra4 , Nb1 , Bd1 , pawns at b3, c3, and
>>d4
>
> The puzzle was real and the secret code is in the solution. Here's it:
>
> 1. Be3+ Kd3 2. Qxd4+ Rxd4 3. Rxc3+ Nxc3 4. Rd2# Nxc3
>
> It's a cross.

The position in FEN is: 2R5/3K4/3N4/3N4/r2p3Q/pp3q2/3k1BR1/1n1b4 w - -

The problem with the given solution is that there are quicker mates and
more than one key move:

1. Be1+ Kd3 2. Qh7+ Qe4 (2...Qf5 3. Qxf5 mate) 3. Qxe4 mate and
1. Be3+ Kd3 2. Qh7+ (2...Qf5 3. Qxf5 mate) 2...Qe4 3. Qxe4 mate.

Claus-Juergen

Date: 24 May 2006 07:18:13
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Jerzy wrote:
> I am not a Roman Catholic. Well, in fact I am not a member of any
> church. But I can see some offensive material in Dan Brown`s book even
> it is a fiction. The most offensive in my opinion is the description of
> Opus Dei.

Yep. In a recent TV interview, Opus Dei, which is headquartered in New
York,
dismissed even the historical authenticity of the movie. They know that
it's fiction
and will ignore it.

Date: 24 May 2006 00:21:59
From: Jerzy
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo napisal(a):

> > However Opus Dei is not a murderous organization as Dan Brown described in
> > his novel :-)
>
> I know, I'm a Catholic. Dan Brown's novel and now a movie is fiction,
> interesting though.

I am not a Roman Catholic. Well, in fact I am not a member of any
church. But I can see some offensive material in Dan Brown`s book even
it is a fiction. The most offensive in my opinion is the description of
Opus Dei.

Date: 23 May 2006 14:01:20
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> LiamToo wrote:
> > Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > > Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> > > historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
> > >
> > > http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
> > >
> > > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> > > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> > > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> > > Frenchman.
> >
> > However, Opus Dei still exists and the Knights Templar are historical
> > facts.
>
> Yes, a few historical facts are thrown in to give a veneer of
> plausibility that may convince the credulous.

Yep. My wife who first read it, almost convinced me that it's
true by showing me the painting of the last supper. I could
swear that the person to the right of Jesus appears more
feminine than the others. And there are no wine/water cups,
including the famous chalice.

What was Da Vinci telling us then?

Date: 23 May 2006 13:57:41
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> Yes, a few historical facts are thrown in to give a veneer of
> plausibility that may convince the credulous.

Yep. My wife who first read it, almost convinced me that it's
true by showing me the painting of the last supper picture. I could
swear that the person to the right of Jesus appears more
feminine than the others. And there are no wine/water cups,
including the famous chalice.

What was Da Vinci telling us then?

Date: 23 May 2006 13:49:57
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
> > Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> > historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
> >
> > I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> > fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> > institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> > Frenchman.
>
> However, Opus Dei still exists and the Knights Templar are historical
> facts.

Yes, a few historical facts are thrown in to give a veneer of
plausibility that may convince the credulous.

Date: 23 May 2006 13:37:01
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Jerzy wrote:
> However Opus Dei is not a murderous organization as Dan Brown described in
> his novel :-)

I know, I'm a Catholic. Dan Brown's novel and now a movie is fiction,
interesting though.

Date: 23 May 2006 14:13:26
From: don groves
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

LiamToo wrote:

> Jerzy wrote:
>
>>However Opus Dei is not a murderous organization as Dan Brown described in
>>his novel :-)
>
>
> I know, I'm a Catholic. Dan Brown's novel and now a movie is fiction,
> interesting though.
>

If only more Catholics had your realistic attitude! The book
was highly entertaining an interesting and that should be
enough for a novel. Fiction writers have always taken
liberties with historical suppositions to improve the drama
and story lines of their works.
--
dg

Date: 11 Aug 2006 12:09:16
From: nospam
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

I saw the movie, and I found it terribly dull, and hard to understand.
Many others share my thoughts-many more than found it interesting.

Perhaps it was because director Howard took the approach not to offend
certain people, that it was so, but I give him credit for that, anyway.

Da Vinci paints a picture, and we are supposed to believe somebody's
outrageous speculation (Brown, who is trying to sell a book) that Da
Vinci is 'telling' us something in code? He was certainly a genius, but
he wasn't there at the Last Supper, nor privy to any 'secret' information.

don groves wrote:
> LiamToo wrote:
>
>> Jerzy wrote:
>>
>>> However Opus Dei is not a murderous organization as Dan Brown
>>> described in
>>> his novel :-)
>>
>>
>> I know, I'm a Catholic. Dan Brown's novel and now a movie is fiction,
>> interesting though.
>>
>
> If only more Catholics had your realistic attitude! The book was highly
> entertaining an interesting and that should be enough for a novel.
> Fiction writers have always taken liberties with historical suppositions
> to improve the drama
> and story lines of their works.
> --
> dg

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Date: 23 May 2006 13:34:53
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Zero wrote:
> Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
> people during the game?

Yes, here's a puzzle with white to move to find the secret code:

White's Position: Kd7 , Qh4 , Rc8 , Rg2 , Nd6 , Nd5 , Bf2
Black's Position: Kd2 , Qf3 , Ra4 , Nb1 , Bd1 , pawns at b3, c3, and
d4

Date: 23 May 2006 13:24:26
From: LiamToo
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Taylor Kingston wrote:
> Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
> historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais
>
> I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
> fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
> institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
> Frenchman.

However, Opus Dei still exists and the Knights Templar are historical
facts.

Date: 23 May 2006 22:26:44
From: Jerzy
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Uzytkownik "LiamToo" <[email protected] > napisal w wiadomosci
news:[email protected]...
>
> However, Opus Dei still exists and the Knights Templar are historical
> facts.

However Opus Dei is not a murderous organization as Dan Brown described in
his novel :-)

Date: 23 May 2006 12:54:57
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Zero wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I saw the movie, The Da Vinci Code, yesterday. It was an interesting
> moving about a guy who does a treasure hunt by solving codes and clues
> along the way. He said in the movie that symbols have different
> meanings.
>
> I was wondering if there are any secret coded messages on a chessboard.
> Maybe a longtime the inventors of chess used the pieces as symbols to
> meet something. They all represent royal and religious symbols. Maybe
> placing the pieces in a certain pattern will create a treasure map.
>
> Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
> people during the game?

Well, there's the famous "yogurt incident" from, if I recall
correctly, one of the Karpov-Korchnoi matches. In other cases, it
hasn't been secret at all. In Fischer-Kovacevic, Rovinj-Zagreg 1970,
Rona Petrosian, wife of the former world champion, overheard some GMs
discussing the game, and walked right up to Kovacevic to tell him about
a possible trap they had noticed.

Here's a link to an article about some of the religious and
historical nonsense in "The Da Vinci Code":

http://www.slate.com/id/2142157/?nav=ais

I'm sure a web-search can turn up more on its absurdities and
fallacies. For example the "Priory of Sion" is not a genuine
institution, but the fantasy product of the imagination of some lunatic
Frenchman.

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From:
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Date: 23 May 2006 06:42:27
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

See PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM and access link at the bottom of article at WCN

http://wcn.tentonhammer.com/print.php?sid=642

Date: 23 May 2006 06:41:52
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

See PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM and access link at the bottom of article at WCN

http://wcn.tentonhammer.com/print.php?sid=642

Date: 23 May 2006 05:24:18
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Chess One wrote:
> "Zero" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw the movie, The Da Vinci Code, yesterday. It was an interesting
> > moving about a guy who does a treasure hunt by solving codes and clues
> > along the way. He said in the movie that symbols have different
> > meanings.
> >
> > I was wondering if there are any secret coded messages on a chessboard.
> > Maybe a longtime the inventors of chess used the pieces as symbols to
> > meet something. They all represent royal and religious symbols. Maybe
> > placing the pieces in a certain pattern will create a treasure map.

You're too late. I figured all that out years ago and took the
treasure.

> > Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
> > people during the game?
>
> yeah lots. Best novel I read is Flanders Panel, which is a retrograde
> puzzle, with piece moves being significant to the plot.
>
> Then there is the 'spying' activity of Humphrey Bogart in North Africa, when
> French secret police showed up to confront him with 'the evidence', all
> written in code. IE: 17. BKN5, if PQB5 then 18. KRK3. I've forgotten whom,
> but this is not the first time that a correspondence player has been
> questioned about chess post-cards.

Happened to Steinitz, for one, if I recall correctly.

Date: 23 May 2006 12:06:43
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

"Zero" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I saw the movie, The Da Vinci Code, yesterday. It was an interesting
> moving about a guy who does a treasure hunt by solving codes and clues
> along the way. He said in the movie that symbols have different
> meanings.
>
> I was wondering if there are any secret coded messages on a chessboard.
> Maybe a longtime the inventors of chess used the pieces as symbols to
> meet something. They all represent royal and religious symbols. Maybe
> placing the pieces in a certain pattern will create a treasure map.
>
> Haven't any chess players used secret codes to communicate to other
> people during the game?

yeah lots. Best novel I read is Flanders Panel, which is a retrograde
puzzle, with piece moves being significant to the plot.

Then there is the 'spying' activity of Humphrey Bogart in North Africa, when
French secret police showed up to confront him with 'the evidence', all
written in code. IE: 17. BKN5, if PQB5 then 18. KRK3. I've forgotten whom,
but this is not the first time that a correspondence player has been
questioned about chess post-cards.

Phil

Date: 23 May 2006 04:52:52
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

tin S wrote:
> Just a thought - there is a crime novell featuring a retrograde chess
> puzzle, La tabla de Flandes (1990 - in English The Flanders Panel) by
> Arturo P=E9rez-Reverte.
>
> Somewhat along the lines our resident friendly troll wants.
>

I've read that. Not a bad story, but nothing like the "Da Vinci Code"
-- no pseudo-religio/historical rubbish, just a straight murder
mystery. The chess master character seems partly based on Carlos Torre.

Date: 23 May 2006 06:09:28
From: Martin S
Subject: Re: Da Vinci Code in chess

Just a thought - there is a crime novell featuring a retrograde chess
puzzle, La tabla de Flandes (1990 - in English The Flanders Panel) by
Arturo P�rez-Reverte.

Somewhat along the lines our resident friendly troll wants.

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Date: 22 May 2006 21:23:45
From: Inna Vita
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

Shrug, you are a blowhard moron who flames a chess server
that kicked your ass. Go crawl back to your mommy and play
on your suck-ass chess server where you are an inflated 2100.
Face it, you came, you saw, and you got your ass handed to
you at FICS. How does it feel to have 1700 rated players at
FICS that can show you how to play chess? HAHAHAHA

"Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:h%vcg.182510$7a.39772@pd7tw1no...
> From the looks of things, Inna, you're a 1300 rated idiot that is jealous
> of the fact that i'm a 2100 player. As I said, FICS is a crap site with
> scarcly a player over 2000 there.
>
> JMR
>
>

Date: 23 May 2006 04:37:40
From: Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

I'm on the site now and I'm the highest rated player you brainless piece of
shit cunt. So tell me, what is so wonderful about this site which features
little more than 1300 rated losers like you? My question to you Inna....are
you really this fucking stupid or is this an act?

JMR

Date: 22 May 2006 22:48:02
From: Inna Vita
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

Yes, you are online - you just lost to a 1620 player, then a 1791
followed by another loss to a 1792 player. Dude, give it up, FICS
players are kicking your ass all over the place. I'm being stupid by
pointing out your inadequate chess play on FICS? Give me a break,
fool. Admit it, FICS players are a lot better than you realized. You
are almost down below 1900 now.

The issue is the quality of chess at FICS, not my rating. I'm rather
amused at your typical tactic of spouting rants and flames while
ignoring the facts.

"Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:okwcg.183881$WI1.132681@pd7tw2no...
> I'm on the site now and I'm the highest rated player you brainless piece
> of shit cunt. So tell me, what is so wonderful about this site which
> features little more than 1300 rated losers like you? My question to you
> Inna....are you really this fucking stupid or is this an act?
>
> JMR
>
>

Date: 23 May 2006 07:59:00
From: Martin S
Subject: Re: Best Sicilian to play

My problem with the sicilian is that I hate all the off-beat variations
white plays. I'd like to play the Svesh but if white deviates before that,
I constantly get crap positions. :(

tin S

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Date: 23 May 2006 09:21:22
From: Inna Vita
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

I was online - I'm rated higher than you on FICS.
I'm one of the retarded cretins that kicked your ass
2 to 0. Perhaps you can get away with playing crap
openings on those other crap servers, but you got
spanked on FICS, girl. Come back when you learn
a little chess.

"Jason `~`" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:V5ycg.182877$P01.59960@pd7tw3no...
> When you finish drooling over your keyboard like the retarded cretin you
> are. Tell me how I could possibly be "getting my ass kicked" when I AM THE
> HIGHEST RATED PLAYER on the site? I have to win alot more games than I
> lose just to maintain the rating. This lousy kiddie server doesn't even
> have anyone else over 1900, let alone 2000. If and when you can get this
> concept into your tiny little brain.....that when someone is higher rated
> than everyone else, they lose more points for losing, or even for drawing,
> and win less for winning.
>
> You are a stupid, worthless, imbecile that doesn't have the mental ability
> to play chess at anything more than a 1300 level. Stop loitering in a
> chess usenet group where you clearly don't belong, and go find something
> shiny and metallic to play with.
>
> JMR
>
>

Date: 24 May 2006 09:51:06
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

Inna Vita, you're a 1300 rated loser! Who are you trying to fool?

JMR

Date: 23 May 2006 10:02:21
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

Hey, Inna, don't try to be rational with an irrational
being such as JMR. When he is faced with logic he fights
back with biting personal attacks. It is obvious he got
his ass handed to him at fics and by his logic, that makes
you a drooling imbecile. As Bugs would say: "What a oon".

"Inna Vita" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]...

Date: 24 May 2006 09:52:30
From: ^Jason `~`
Subject: Re: Why should I play chess???

Chess Fag, how long have you been cowardly posting under an alias here? Are
you going to go your entire mortal life being a trembling and frightened
coward? You know nothing about chess, or anything else, so why are you
loitering in a chess usenet group?

JMR