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Date: 31 Jan 2009 17:34:52
From: greg
Subject: Fred defense
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Usually I lose when I play the Fred defense but I found a way for
black to win. Do you think that this is a good opening for black?
1.e2-e4 f7-f5
2. e4xf5 Ng8-h6
3.Qd1-h5 Nh6-f7
4.d2-d4 e7-e5
5.d4xe5 Bf8-b4
6.c2-c3 Bb4-c5
7.e5-e6 d7xe6
8. f5xe6 Bc5xf2
9.Ke1xf2 Bc8xe6
10.Qh5-b5 Nb8-c6
11.Qb5xb7 0-0
12. Ng1-f3 Nf7-e5
13.Nb1-d2 a7-a6
14.Kf2-e2 Rf8xf3
15.Nd2xf3 Ra8-b8
16.Qb7xb8 Qd8xb8
17.b2-b4 Qb8-b5
18. Ke2-f2 Ne5-g4
19.Kf2-e1 Qb5-f5
20.Bf1-e2 Qf5-e4
21.Ke1-f1 Be6-c4
22.Nf3-g1 Nc6-e5
the game lasted longer but black wins. I was using two computer
programs playing against each other.
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Date: 06 Feb 2009 05:19:28
From: jefk
Subject: Re: Fred defense
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On 1 feb, 02:34, greg <[email protected] > wrote:
> Usually I lose when I play the Fred defense but I found a way for
> black to win. Do you think that this is a good opening for black?
no
>
> 1.e2-e4 f7-f5
>
> 2. e4xf5 =A0 Ng8-h6
maybe Nh6 is an interesting move,
but you probably played on a slow comp
and/or with fast time controls
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> 3.Qd1-h5 Nh6-f7
> > 4.d2-d4 =A0 e7-e5
> > 5.d4xe5 Bf8-b4
> > 6.c2-c3 Bb4-c5
> > 7.e5-e6? d7xe6
7.Nf3 is much better
or 3 Bc4, eval +3.3
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> 8. f5xe6 =A0Bc5xf2
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> 9.Ke1xf2 Bc8xe6
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> 10.Qh5-b5 =A0Nb8-c6
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> 11.Qb5xb7 =A00-0
>
> 12. Ng1-f3 Nf7-e5
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> 13.Nb1-d2 =A0a7-a6
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> 14.Kf2-e2 Rf8xf3
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> 15.Nd2xf3 Ra8-b8
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> 16.Qb7xb8 =A0Qd8xb8
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> 17.b2-b4 =A0 Qb8-b5
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> 18. Ke2-f2 Ne5-g4
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> 19.Kf2-e1 Qb5-f5
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> 20.Bf1-e2 Qf5-e4
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> 21.Ke1-f1 Be6-c4
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> 22.Nf3-g1 =A0Nc6-e5
>
> the game lasted longer but black wins. I was using two computer
> programs playing against each other.
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Date: 04 Feb 2009 03:28:38
From: ibarix
Subject: Re: Fred defense
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"greg" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Usually I lose when I play the Fred defense but I found a way for
> black to win. Do you think that this is a good opening for black?
>
>
> 1.e2-e4 f7-f5
>
> 2. e4xf5 Ng8-h6
>
> 3.Qd1-h5 Nh6-f7
>
> 4.d2-d4 e7-e5
>
> 5.d4xe5 Bf8-b4
>
> 6.c2-c3 Bb4-c5
>
> 7.e5-e6 d7xe6
>
> 8. f5xe6 Bc5xf2
>
> 9.Ke1xf2 Bc8xe6
>
> 10.Qh5-b5 Nb8-c6
>
> 11.Qb5xb7 0-0
>
> 12. Ng1-f3 Nf7-e5
>
> 13.Nb1-d2 a7-a6
>
> 14.Kf2-e2 Rf8xf3
>
> 15.Nd2xf3 Ra8-b8
>
> 16.Qb7xb8 Qd8xb8
>
> 17.b2-b4 Qb8-b5
>
> 18. Ke2-f2 Ne5-g4
>
> 19.Kf2-e1 Qb5-f5
>
> 20.Bf1-e2 Qf5-e4
>
> 21.Ke1-f1 Be6-c4
>
> 22.Nf3-g1 Nc6-e5
>
> the game lasted longer but black wins. I was using two computer
> programs playing against each other.
What programs? Those moves seem substandrad to me.
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Date: 03 Feb 2009 18:10:34
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Fred defense
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You should try it vs my Ivan computer , id say it is just about as
strong at Sannys GC computer.
Ivan vs GC , it wins some and loses some ..
My Ivan 2 the conquer is from Excalibur ...
If you want to try some time we can just play two moves a day , before
work and after work or go to a chat room when we are both home at the
same time and play a real time game.
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Date: 03 Feb 2009 18:46:17
From: greg
Subject: Re: Fred defense
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On Feb 3, 9:28=A0pm, "ibarix" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Usually I lose when I play the Fred defense but I found a way for
> > black to win. Do you think that this is a good opening for black?
>
> > 1.e2-e4 f7-f5
>
> > 2. e4xf5 =A0 Ng8-h6
>
> > 3.Qd1-h5 Nh6-f7
>
> > 4.d2-d4 =A0 e7-e5
>
> > 5.d4xe5 Bf8-b4
>
> > 6.c2-c3 Bb4-c5
>
> > 7.e5-e6 d7xe6
>
> > 8. f5xe6 =A0Bc5xf2
>
> > 9.Ke1xf2 Bc8xe6
>
> > 10.Qh5-b5 =A0Nb8-c6
>
> > 11.Qb5xb7 =A00-0
>
> > 12. Ng1-f3 Nf7-e5
>
> > 13.Nb1-d2 =A0a7-a6
>
> > 14.Kf2-e2 Rf8xf3
>
> > 15.Nd2xf3 Ra8-b8
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> > 16.Qb7xb8 =A0Qd8xb8
>
> > 17.b2-b4 =A0 Qb8-b5
>
> > 18. Ke2-f2 Ne5-g4
>
> > 19.Kf2-e1 Qb5-f5
>
> > 20.Bf1-e2 Qf5-e4
>
> > 21.Ke1-f1 Be6-c4
>
> > 22.Nf3-g1 =A0Nc6-e5
>
> > the game lasted longer but black wins. I was using two computer
> > programs playing against each other.
>
> What programs? Those moves seem substandrad to me.
black was Nagaskaki and white was Rybka (the free version)
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