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Date: 20 May 2006 08:08:07
From: John J.
Subject: Fritz 8 Opening Training
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Am I doing something wrong? I go to the opening training(detailed) and Fritz
only has 4-5 moves, no matter what the variation. I thought it would be
better.
Any ideas?
Cheers
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Date: 21 May 2006 16:52:42
From: mike
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 Opening Training
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In my opinion, Fritz has terrible opening training features. Not just
inadequate, but downright buggy. It is the reason I will not upgrade until
they address it.
However, Stefan Renzewitz has written a brilliant opening traning program
called Chess Position Trainer, and it's available for free (although if you
like it you really should consider donating a couple of dollars).
Of course, being freeware, the support is not real good. But you get what
you pay for in that regard.
I think the program is great. It took me a little time to get familiar with
it, but I've been using it every day lately and feel my openings are
stronger than ever. And it makes it really easy to learn the main lines of
a new opening.
Just my $.02. YMMV.
"John J." <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Am I doing something wrong? I go to the opening training(detailed) and
> Fritz only has 4-5 moves, no matter what the variation. I thought it would
> be better.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers
>
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Date: 22 May 2006 11:11:52
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 Opening Training
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> In my opinion, Fritz has terrible opening training features. Not just
> inadequate, but downright buggy. It is the reason I will not upgrade
> until they address it.
>
> However, Stefan Renzewitz has written a brilliant opening traning program
> called Chess Position Trainer, and it's available for free (although if
> you like it you really should consider donating a couple of dollars).
>
> Of course, being freeware, the support is not real good. But you get what
> you pay for in that regard.
>
> I think the program is great. It took me a little time to get familiar
> with it, but I've been using it every day lately and feel my openings are
> stronger than ever. And it makes it really easy to learn the main lines
> of a new opening.
>
> Just my $.02. YMMV.
I don't know about that program, but ChessGenius (my preferred engine) has a
pretty good opening book feature that lets you weigh each move by all kinds
of different percentages, that can be set by the user, the machine, or other
parameters (like scores with an opening).
Supposedly, ChessGenius has a win over Kasparov. The only downside of the
feature is that you can't convert your book to a PGN file from that
software, but you can integrte a PGN into a book file (I used a
three-million game file to get my book going again a few years ago and have
been editing it ever since).
--
"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918
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Date: 22 May 2006 16:17:18
From: mike
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 Opening Training
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I agree, the ability to weight variations is critical to a good opening
training program. Fritz's weighting method is ridiculous.
As far as I can tell, CPT weights only based on your performance in the
lines. If you miss a line a bunch of times, it will come up more often
until you don't make mistakes any more.
I'm not sure if there is a manual weighting mechanism. That would be a good
feature to request.
Thanks for the tip on ChessGenius. I will give it strong consideration when
I upgrade my engine.
>
> I don't know about that program, but ChessGenius (my preferred engine) has
> a pretty good opening book feature that lets you weigh each move by all
> kinds of different percentages, that can be set by the user, the machine,
> or other parameters (like scores with an opening).
>
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Date: 25 May 2006 00:01:29
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 Opening Training
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>I agree, the ability to weight variations is critical to a good opening
>training program. Fritz's weighting method is ridiculous.
I don't see why they can't just let the user enter the percentage of times
he wants a move to come up during a game. I want my engine's book to
reflect what I'm likely to see over the board.
On ChessGenius, you can do this to some extent, but they use a variable
system (i.e., "!!" "!" "!?" and so forth), so there are limitations on what
you can do, but most of the time you can get something pretty close to what
you need. The engine is supposedly not the strongest out there, but I don't
use engines for raw strength, and kind of like that it takes this program a
second or two extra to see something, because its knee-jerk reaction to a
position is often very similar to a human's.
> As far as I can tell, CPT weights only based on your performance in the
> lines. If you miss a line a bunch of times, it will come up more often
> until you don't make mistakes any more.
Game results have little to do with the strength of one's opening, as people
cheerfully point out here all the time.
> I'm not sure if there is a manual weighting mechanism. That would be a
> good feature to request.
>
> Thanks for the tip on ChessGenius. I will give it strong consideration
> when I upgrade my engine.
Well I built my book in ChessGenius, but may switch to another engine where
I can generate PGN files from my book.
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"Google maintains the USENET." -- The Honorable R. Barclay Surrick, Eastern
District of PA Judge
From Parker v. Google, E.D.Pa. #04-cv-3918
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