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Date: 12 Jan 2005 12:27:15
From: Sky Walker
Subject: Fritz 8 or Junior 9?
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hey guys,
i been using Fritz 5 for last two years, and i been pretty happy with it and
there was no need to upgrade.
Now i have got Trainer CDs from "Attacking 2 Volumes" from Jacob aagard as
Xmas gift. Now, i understand that i need either CB9 or Fritz8 or Junior 9 to
use this. Besides from watching this CD, my only other requirement is good
analysis of my games. Frtiz 5 only provides some basic moves and junk text
like "threatening mate.. how?". What i would require is some good positional
analysis. Which one would server my purpose?
I am about 1800, so playing strength is OK even with my Fritz 5.
BTW, i cant afford CB9 or 'Deep' ones :(
thanks for your time.
regards,
Walker.
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Date: 14 Jan 2005 20:36:30
From:
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 or Junior 9?
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Walker:
Both programs are top notch. Right now Junior 9 is outselling Fritz 8
as it is a newer chess engine and is last year's world champion chess
program! And, you can pick it up for less than $40!
Erik
Wholesale Chess
http://www.wholesalechess.com
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Date: 12 Jan 2005 13:26:01
From: CeeBee
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 or Junior 9?
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"Sky Walker" <[email protected] > wrote in rec.games.chess.analysis:
> Frtiz 5 only provides
> some basic moves and junk text like "threatening mate.. how?". What i
> would require is some good positional analysis. Which one would server
> my purpose?
The famous idiotic "doesn't get the bull of the ice"-style comment :)
A chess engine won't give you (good) positional analysis. It will give
you superb tactical analysis depending on the alotted analysis time.
Nothing has changed in that regard since Fritz 5, only that these
engines tactically even have become more strong.
Both Fritz 8 and Junior 9 are top notch chess engines, capable of
holding their ground against GM's and even winning from them. On today's
standard hardware you'll have a GM in your study.
As your games are decided based on tactical errors in about 98% of all
cases, these engines will both help you sufficiently. Fritz is somewhat
of a standard, Junior 9 is the newer release.
Don't rely on computers for getting your positional analysis. It is the
heart of the game and you should understand what is happening on the
board. It takes strong chess players years of hard practice to
understand what's happening, to recognize patterns, to see through
objectives in opening, middle games and endgames. Don't expect a piece
of chess playing software to explain this in an after game analysis.
There's a wealth of tutoring material for that. Books, or the electronic
equivalents, online courses, a chess trainer for hire - and backed up by
tactical analysis from your chess engine.
Both ChessBase and ChessAssistant have a lot of training CD's for that
purpose. Most ChessAssistant training software can be used without other
software. ChessBase training software normally comes with a ChessBase
reader ( A light version of ChessBase database program). If your wallet
dictates so, you could choose to stick to Fritz 5 and browse for some
specific training software.
Personally, for chess playing and analysis, I prefer ChessBase, and for
training purposes, I prefer ChessAssistant software. I thinkt the
content of CB training software is very good, and the content of CA
training software is simpy outstanding.
--
CeeBee
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 12 Jan 2005 09:53:55
From: Kitchen Man
Subject: Re: Fritz 8 or Junior 9?
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On 12 Jan 2005 13:26:01 GMT, CeeBee <[email protected] >
wrote:
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>Don't rely on computers for getting your positional analysis. It is the
>heart of the game and you should understand what is happening on the
>board. It takes strong chess players years of hard practice to
>understand what's happening, to recognize patterns, to see through
>objectives in opening, middle games and endgames. Don't expect a piece
>of chess playing software to explain this in an after game analysis.
There are a couple of reasons I am really beginning to like Fritz, and
your statement hints at one. Playing in "Handicap and Fun" mode (if
the blunder slider is not set past 0.5, which for me makes the program
just too damn stupid), the program makes serious positional errors in
the opening, and I find myself gaining overwhelming positions, at
least according to theory. I guess it's a tribute to my average
rating that I am able to do so effectively.
When I pause to look at material, as ugly as the opponent's pawn
skeleton, and as uncoordinated its pieces, material is always even.
Now it begins to seem to play like Morphy, almost daring me to turn my
positional advantage into a win. This is going to help my game
immensely, as I am finding that it is extraordinarily difficult to
turn these advantages to a win. A lesson to be learned.
--
Al Brennan
"Why must I lose to this idiot?"
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