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Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:54:17
From: Sanny
Subject: Is the Chess Strength enough?
Currently Beginner level at GetClub.com plays moves in 4-8 seconds
while it is easy to beat it.

Play a game: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Should I increase the depth of Begineer Level So that it thinks for
30-40 seconds but plays stronger moves?

What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

I think those who want higher level strong games can login to play
higher levels. While thiose who want to play just Beginner level, No
need to Login.

I want to know what you favour quick game or a Stronger game?

You can play with Easy Level and Normal Level if you are looking for
stronger games. They take about 1-2 minute per move.

If you are very strong then try Master Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 15:10:39
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 23, 1:54 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
> > moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
> > what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
> > not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.

I have noticed that sometimes my clock is running even
though the program's last move is not yet displayed on
the graphic board (though it is listed in text). In essence,
my clock is running but I am not thinking about the new
position, since I don't now what it is yet.



> > Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
> > and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
> > time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
> > back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
> > be visiting your website again.

Last night, I noticed the infinite pop-up window spawning
issue again. I spent as much time closing these annoying
windows as I did thinking about the game.

My suggestion is to remove the annoying pop-up windows,
and replace them with paid advertisements. For instance,
you could have an ad for Chessbase, one for Fritz, one for
the USCF, and even some for non-chess-related stuff.

-- help bot



  
Date: 30 Apr 2007 22:25:39
From: Patrick Volk
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On 24 Apr 2007 15:10:39 -0700, help bot <[email protected] >
wrote:

>On Apr 23, 1:54 am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
>> > moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
>> > what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
>> > not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.
>
> I have noticed that sometimes my clock is running even
>though the program's last move is not yet displayed on
>the graphic board (though it is listed in text). In essence,
>my clock is running but I am not thinking about the new
>position, since I don't now what it is yet.
>

I believe the clock isn't being truthful.


>
>
>> > Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
>> > and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
>> > time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
>> > back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
>> > be visiting your website again.
>
> Last night, I noticed the infinite pop-up window spawning
>issue again. I spent as much time closing these annoying
>windows as I did thinking about the game.
>
> My suggestion is to remove the annoying pop-up windows,
>and replace them with paid advertisements. For instance,
>you could have an ad for Chessbase, one for Fritz, one for
>the USCF, and even some for non-chess-related stuff.
>
> -- help bot


 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 21:57:06
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 23, 1:54 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Your ratings have been readjusted and that game was cancelled. It
> happens when by mistake you press Resign Game button. I think there
> should be a confirmation message before it should resign. I will ask
> my programmers to correct that so that if the button is pressed it do
> not resign immidietely.

Sanny, I am currently playing several games at
another site called RedHotPawn, and I noticed
that it takes THREE separate actions to complete
a resignation:

1.click the "resign" button

2. click "yes", I resign

3. reconfirm the resignation

Weak players may find all this a tad annoying, but
I think it resolves any question as to intent.

-- help bot







 
Date: 23 Apr 2007 21:53:03
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 23, 12:13 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> Ah, but I'm serious. There is no reward for gathering a large material
> advantage or winning quickly.

To me, the advantage lies in the quality of the play,
(as opposed to a poorly played game which I won
despite my own blunders). A well played game can
be seen as a sort of work of art. (The flaw with chess
as art is that ony decent chess players can properly
appreciate it.)



> The only thing that matters is 1-0.

Damned materialist! Commie. Nazi. American!

"The play's the thing."


> I am
> *always* more interested in a small material advantage that offers a
> certain win (even if it means grinding out an endgame because the
> opponent is too clueless to resign) rather than a huge material
> advantage where my opponent still has chances.

Sanny's program ALWAYS has chances. For one,
it can register a click on the "resigns" button at any
time, even if you unplug your mouse and keyboard!


> Sometimes, against Sanny's folly, I'll give the material advantage back,
> just to watch it squirm. Like pulling wings off flies.

I see; you are the type who enjoys that sort of
thing, like the quis de Sade. Interesting... .
The next time the Spanish Inquisition is hiring,
I'll give you my highest recommendation.


> If the program can't play ordinary chess, I'll look for an entertaining
> game that I can play with it.

I like to take it out of book quickly, and find that
it leads to interesting games where the program
emulates a hyperactive, weak human player.


> Which is, by the way, the only reason I *care* that the program runs at
> the advertised speed.

To me, the fact that the program does not accurately
measure elapsed time demonstrates something about
the competence of its programmers. Especially after
advising Sanny of a simple solution to this problem.
I used to wonder whether any programmers could be
THIS incompetent, but no more. : >D

-- help bot





 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 22:54:04
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 22, 10:45 pm, "Chess Freak" <[email protected] > wrote:
> You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
> moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
> what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
> not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.

Each recorded game tells how much time the user/computer took for each
move.

Here is a recorded game between easy & softtanks

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7375&game=Chess

You can see Easy level taking 30-60 seconds per move and many moves
were made in 5-10 seconds only. Beginner Level is quite faster on my
Machine.

I have 3 computers.

On my fast computer Pentium 2.5 GHz it takes 5-10 seconds per move.
On slower computer 1.5 GHz it takes 20-30 seconds / move
On my much slower Laptop it takes 40-50 seconds/ move

> Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
> and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
> time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
> back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
> be visiting your website again.
>

Your ratings have been readjusted and that game was cancelled. It
happens when by mistake you press Resign Game button. I think there
should be a confirmation message before it should resign. I will ask
my programmers to correct that so that if the button is pressed it do
not resign immidietely.

I would love to see more games of yours at GetClub.com You are well
ahead of many good players and have good prospects may be you can come
in top 3.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html







  
Date: 30 Apr 2007 22:24:55
From: Patrick Volk
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On 22 Apr 2007 22:54:04 -0700, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

>On Apr 22, 10:45 pm, "Chess Freak" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
>> moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
>> what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
>> not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.
>
>Each recorded game tells how much time the user/computer took for each
>move.
>
>Here is a recorded game between easy & softtanks
>
>http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM7375&game=Chess
>
>You can see Easy level taking 30-60 seconds per move and many moves
>were made in 5-10 seconds only. Beginner Level is quite faster on my
>Machine.

Still false advertising. A program that meets the requirements 99% of
the time does not met the requirements.

>
>I have 3 computers.
>
>On my fast computer Pentium 2.5 GHz it takes 5-10 seconds per move.
>On slower computer 1.5 GHz it takes 20-30 seconds / move
>On my much slower Laptop it takes 40-50 seconds/ move

Still false advertising.

>
>> Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
>> and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
>> time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
>> back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
>> be visiting your website again.
>>
>
>Your ratings have been readjusted and that game was cancelled. It
>happens when by mistake you press Resign Game button. I think there
>should be a confirmation message before it should resign. I will ask
>my programmers to correct that so that if the button is pressed it do
>not resign immidietely.
>
>I would love to see more games of yours at GetClub.com You are well
>ahead of many good players and have good prospects may be you can come
>in top 3.
>
>Bye
>Sanny
>
>Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
>
>
>


 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:40:45
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 22, 12:59 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > Look, Sanny: since your programmers obviously
> > can not or will not look up the proper method of
> > implementing basic tactics, why don;t you do it
> > for them? Just do a google search on:
> > "check and capture extensions" and find one of
> > the many explanations and examples on how this
> > is implemented in achessprogram, then print and
> > hand it off to them. Assuming they can read, soon
> > your program would be back up above 1000 on
> > every level. (I'm not holding my breath.)
>
> > -- help bot
>
> That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
> strength.


If that were true, then we would not need to
wonder whether or not it helps: the playing strength
would increase *dramatically* overnight. This
weakness in tactics amounts to the single biggest
weakness of the program, and eliminating it will
yield immediate results. If the next time I play at
GetClub it shows no more tactical weakness, I
might just faint.

-- help bot




 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 20:35:12
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 22, 2:40 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> >> FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
> >> right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
> >> late middlegame.
>
> > When weak players face one another, it is almost
> > inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
> > neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.
>
> >>> while it is easy to beat it.
> >> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
>
> > Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
>
> I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.

I'm just giving you a hard time. It seems to me
that you often complain about the program's
strength, but at the same time reveal certain,
shall I say, "difficulties", against it. (One might
expect a GM to complain about its strength, then
note how it only lasted twelve moves before being
mated.)

Obviously, the amount of material ahead is strongly
related to playing style; a GM Tal might be ahead by
a Queen at move fifteen, while a GM Petrosian might
have merely inflicted a fatal positional wound at that
point. Either way, the end result is the same.

My own style varies widely from one game to another.

-- help bot



  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 23:13:51
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
help bot wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2:40 am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
>>>> right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
>>>> late middlegame.
>>> When weak players face one another, it is almost
>>> inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
>>> neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.
>>>>> while it is easy to beat it.
>>>> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
>>> Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
>> I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.
>
> I'm just giving you a hard time. It seems to me
> that you often complain about the program's
> strength, but at the same time reveal certain,
> shall I say, "difficulties", against it. (One might
> expect a GM to complain about its strength, then
> note how it only lasted twelve moves before being
> mated.)
>
> Obviously, the amount of material ahead is strongly
> related to playing style; a GM Tal might be ahead by
> a Queen at move fifteen, while a GM Petrosian might
> have merely inflicted a fatal positional wound at that
> point. Either way, the end result is the same.
>
> My own style varies widely from one game to another.
>
> -- help bot
>

Ah, but I'm serious. There is no reward for gathering a large material
advantage or winning quickly. The only thing that matters is 1-0. I am
*always* more interested in a small material advantage that offers a
certain win (even if it means grinding out an endgame because the
opponent is too clueless to resign) rather than a huge material
advantage where my opponent still has chances.

Sometimes, against Sanny's folly, I'll give the material advantage back,
just to watch it squirm. Like pulling wings off flies.

If the program can't play ordinary chess, I'll look for an entertaining
game that I can play with it.

Which is, by the way, the only reason I *care* that the program runs at
the advertised speed.


--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/


 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 18:42:54
From: raven1
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On 21 Apr 2007 09:54:17 -0700, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

>What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

I'd prefer one that doesn't cause Internet Explorer to crash in
mid-move myself...
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"


  
Date: 23 Apr 2007 01:06:20
From: Ed Seedhouse
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:42:54 -0400, raven1 <[email protected] >
wrote:

>On 21 Apr 2007 09:54:17 -0700, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:

>>What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

>I'd prefer one that doesn't cause Internet Explorer to crash in
>mid-move myself...

IE will do that all by itself without any help from Sanny,


 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:59:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
> Look, Sanny: since your programmers obviously
> can not or will not look up the proper method of
> implementing basic tactics, why don;t you do it
> for them? Just do a google search on:
> "check and capture extensions" and find one of
> the many explanations and examples on how this
> is implemented in achessprogram, then print and
> hand it off to them. Assuming they can read, soon
> your program would be back up above 1000 on
> every level. (I'm not holding my breath.)
>
> -- help bot

That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
strength.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html






  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 21:31:05
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?

>That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
>strength.

Boy oh Boy. Your really an arrogant one. A lot of people here can
give you good advice to improve your site. They don't even have too
and you just ignore them. A total loser.

>Bye
>Sanny

Good riddence.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

NO WAY!

EZoto



   
Date: 22 Apr 2007 21:34:47
From: Inconnux
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?

"EZoto" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
>>That improvement was done recently. Lets see if it helps it's play
>>strength.
>
> Boy oh Boy. Your really an arrogant one. A lot of people here can
> give you good advice to improve your site. They don't even have too
> and you just ignore them. A total loser.
>
>>Bye
>>Sanny
>
> Good riddence.
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> NO WAY!
>
> EZoto
>

Just do what I have done, add this guy to your twit
filter.

J.Lohner




 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 09:56:22
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
> > It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
> > give you good fight.
>
> Read my previous comments in this thread.
>
> I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
> start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
> correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
> anything you say about Easy and Normal?
>

You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.

http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10

Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.

Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?

You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
player Beginner is ok to start with.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 17:57:57
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
Sanny wrote:
>>> It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
>>> give you good fight.
>> Read my previous comments in this thread.
>>
>> I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
>> start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
>> correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
>> anything you say about Easy and Normal?
>>
>
> You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
> in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.

I can see the game I played last night, in which your program averaged
100 seconds per move from roughly move 30 until it flipped the board in
the air and stalked away (by the way, that's a particularly rude way to
resign).

>
> http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10
>
> Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
> Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.

I don't need to look at your recorded games. I have personal experience
with your program. Beginner level (in my last game) often takes 150
seconds to make a move. 150 is much larger than 10.

>
> Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?

I don't know WHY you lie, all I know is that your statements do not
match my experience with your program.

So, tell us...why *do* you lie?

And, given that the question is whether or not you lie, why should we
believe game records that you provide? Are they more, or less, reliable
than the statement that "Beginner takes 5-10 seconds"?

>
> You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
> player Beginner is ok to start with.

I want a program which obeys the rules. The rules include the time
control. Put in a proper move timing mechanism that forfeits either
player for overstepping the time limits.


>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
>


--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/


  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:45:27
From: Chess Freak
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
You are missing the point, Sanny. Beginner does not make
moves in 5-10 seconds, it takes significantly longer than
what you say. Replaying the games do no good, since you do
not record move times. All I know is what I see when I play.

Also, your client causes my browser to consume too much memory
and eventually crash - that was how your engine 'beat' me one
time, it hung my system and I had to reboot. When I logged
back in, your wonderful program claimed I lost. I'll not
be visiting your website again.




"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>> > It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
>> > give you good fight.
>>
>> Read my previous comments in this thread.
>>
>> I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
>> start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
>> correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
>> anything you say about Easy and Normal?
>>
>
> You can see the 1000s recorded games played at GetClub. and see that
> in last 50 Games the game speed has considerably increased.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/cc/showgame.php?num=10
>
> Here you will see Beginner making moves in 5-10 seconds while the
> Player taking 20-30 seconds per move.
>
> Everything is recorded onsite why should i lie?
>
> You want strong game then try higher levels else if you are a weak
> player Beginner is ok to start with.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
>




 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 11:09:29
From: Chess Sadist
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
Nobody is interested in your bullshit little joke website Sanny. You need to
get that concept into your pea brain and stop spamming this group! You're
not even a chess player. Why are you here?

JMR




 
Date: 22 Apr 2007 00:09:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
> >>> while it is easy to beat it.
> >> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
>
> > Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
>
> I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.

It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
give you good fight.

Play with Easy Level: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Beginner Level is only for new players. If you are good play with
higher Levels.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 11:15:56
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
Sanny wrote:
>>>>> while it is easy to beat it.
>>>> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
>>> Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
>> I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.
>
> It was beginner Level I suppose, Try easy & Normal Level they will
> give you good fight.

Read my previous comments in this thread.

I see no reason to try any level other than Beginner until you
start advertising the speed and capabilities of the Beginner level
correctly. if you are lying about Beginner level, why should I believe
anything you say about Easy and Normal?


--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/


 
Date: 21 Apr 2007 22:44:48
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 21, 12:54 pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Currently Beginner level at GetClub.com plays moves in 4-8 seconds
> while it is easy to beat it.
>
> Play a game:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Should I increase the depth of Begineer Level So that it thinks for
> 30-40 seconds but plays stronger moves?


No. Your weakest, fastest level needs to move
quickly, regardless of strength. Strength should be
one of the top priorities of your strongest levels, but
even here there is a limit to what humans can endure!


> What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

Look, Sanny: since your programmers obviously
can not or will not look up the proper method of
implementing basic tactics, why don;t you do it
for them? Just do a google search on:
"check and capture extensions" and find one of
the many explanations and examples on how this
is implemented in a chess program, then print and
hand it off to them. Assuming they can read, soon
your program would be back up above 1000 on
every level. (I'm not holding my breath.)

-- help bot



 
Date: 21 Apr 2007 22:08:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
On Apr 21, 11:54 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Currently Beginner level at GetClub.com plays moves in 4-8 seconds
>
> FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
> right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
> late middlegame.

When weak players face one another, it is almost
inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.


> > while it is easy to beat it.
>
> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.

Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?
Like I said, when weak players collide... . ; >D

-- help bot




  
Date: 22 Apr 2007 01:40:24
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
help bot wrote:
> On Apr 21, 11:54 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sanny wrote:
>>> Currently Beginner level at GetClub.com plays moves in 4-8 seconds
>> FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
>> right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
>> late middlegame.
>
> When weak players face one another, it is almost
> inevitable that the game will last a long time, as
> neither has the know-how to finish up efficiently.
>
>
>>> while it is easy to beat it.
>> Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.
>
> Late middlegame and you are up *only* one Rook?

I'm up a totally won position: 1-0. it doesn't get any better than that.


> Like I said, when weak players collide... . ;>D
>
> -- help bot
>
>


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Date: 21 Apr 2007 22:54:53
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
Sanny wrote:
> Currently Beginner level at GetClub.com plays moves in 4-8 seconds

FALSE. It plays at that speed in the beginning, but I'm playing a game
right now and it is taking an average of 100 seconds per move in the
late middlegame.

> while it is easy to beat it.

Well, that's true enough - it's down a rook in a dead lost position.

>
> Play a game: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Should I increase the depth of Begineer Level So that it thinks for
> 30-40 seconds but plays stronger moves?

Only if you advertise "Beginner level: 30-40 seconds per move".

But first, you'll have to speed it up so that it can move that quickly.
right now, it doesn't.

Saying "30-40 seconds" will be LESS of a lie, but it will still be a lie.


>
> What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

We want truth in advertising.

>
> I think those who want higher level strong games can login to play
> higher levels. While thiose who want to play just Beginner level, No
> need to Login.
>
> I want to know what you favour quick game or a Stronger game?

We want trugh in advertising.

>
> You can play with Easy Level and Normal Level if you are looking for
> stronger games. They take about 1-2 minute per move.

I hope you will forgive me if I don't believe you. Nothing else you
have ever said here has turned out to be true.


>
> If you are very strong then try Master Level.

If I want strong, I can play Fritz.

>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>


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Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 13:50:47
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Is the Chess Strength enough?
In article <[email protected] >,
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Should I increase the depth of Begineer Level So that it thinks for
> 30-40 seconds but plays stronger moves?
>
> What do players like a stronger game or a quick game?

Both, duh.

Your program is both unacceptably slow and unacceptably weak. You need
to fix both.

Oh, yeah, and fix the interface problems, too. Spawning constant pop-up
windows? Not cool.