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Date: 29 Mar 2005 11:40:36
From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szymon_Le=B6niak?=
Subject: Italian Game
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Hello,
I want we'll analyse Italian Game.
I start:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 (Giuco Piano)
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 09:54:37
From: materialkiller
Subject: Re: Italian Game
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> 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 (Giuco Piano)
4...Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3!? Nxe4 8.0-0! Bxc3!
If 8...Nxc3?! 9.bxc3 d5 must be played 9...Bxc3? 10.Ba3!! (white has a
very strong attack Greco proved it in the 1600s!)
9.bxc3 d5
MainLine is 7.Bd2 Bxd2+ 8.Nbxd2
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 00:40:19
From: bruno
Subject: Re: Italian Game
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"materialkiller" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
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>> 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 (Giuco Piano)
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> 4...Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3!? Nxe4 8.0-0! Bxc3!
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> If 8...Nxc3?! 9.bxc3 d5 must be played 9...Bxc3? 10.Ba3!! (white has a
> very strong attack Greco proved it in the 1600s!)
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> 9.bxc3 d5
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> MainLine is 7.Bd2 Bxd2+ 8.Nbxd2
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Nc3 is just as main line as 7.Bd2 althoug it seems that black has the upper
hand in the 7.Nc3 line
Some analysis after 7.Nc3 ... 7. Nc3!? Nxe4! 8.0-0! Bxc3! ; here you give
9.bxc3 but this hasn't been the main move for ages ; main line is 9.d5! Bf6!
10.Re1! Ne7 11.Rxe4 d6 12.Bg5 (g4 is the alternative but black is slightly
better there too) 12. ... Bxg5 13.Nxg5 h6! (13. ... 0-0 14.Nxh7 is drawish)
Now here several moves have been tried all insufficient I think; old main
line was 14.Bb5+ Bd7 15.Qe2 Bxb5 16.Qxb5+ Qd7 17. Qe2 but this fails on 17.
... Kf8 then the next main line was 14.Qe2 hxg5 15.Re1 Be6! 16.dxe6 f6
17.Re3 c6! 18.Rh3 Rxh3 19.gxh3 g6 and now white tried many moves but black
is better after all of them.
Next some people tried to revive 14.Bb5+ Bd7 15.Qe2 Bxb5 16.Qxb5+ Qd7
17.Qxb7 but this fails to 17. ... 0-0 18.Rae1 Rab8! (and not 18. ... Ng6) .
The latest try and best practical chance as nobody knows it is 14.Qb3!? but
after 14. ... 0-0! white has some pressure but black seems to get out of it
playing an early Rb8 and then devellop the bishop to d7 and trade some
pieces.
For all analysis of this gambit go to the exellent site
http://sorrowdy.mysteria.cz/ . Only problem is that it isn't in english but
due to lots of symbols you can understand it pretty good.
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 14:39:28
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Italian Game
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In article <[email protected] >,
"materialkiller" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 (Giuco Piano)
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> 4...Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3!? Nxe4 8.0-0! Bxc3!
Another option here is 4. ... Qe7 5.d4 Bb6! planning d6 (6.d5 Nb8! and
the knight will redeploy via d7.) This is a good way to change things up
on somebody who expects a standard Moller attack.
> If 8...Nxc3?! 9.bxc3 d5 must be played 9...Bxc3? 10.Ba3!! (white has a
> very strong attack Greco proved it in the 1600s!)
9.d5! (Moller) Bf6 is most common, but Karpov played 9. ... Ne5 and
drew Dzindzichaschili in Mexico, 1988, in 34 moves.
> 9.bxc3 d5
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> MainLine is 7.Bd2 Bxd2+ 8.Nbxd2
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 00:54:00
From: bruno
Subject: Re: Italian Game
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"Ron" <[email protected] > schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "materialkiller" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 (Giuco Piano)
>>
>> 4...Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3!? Nxe4 8.0-0! Bxc3!
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> Another option here is 4. ... Qe7 5.d4 Bb6! planning d6 (6.d5 Nb8! and
> the knight will redeploy via d7.) This is a good way to change things up
> on somebody who expects a standard Moller attack.
>
-Planning d6-; the problem is that white sacs his d pawn in typical fashion
before black gets a chance to play d6. Sample line 4. ... Qe7 5.d4 Bb6 6.d5
Nb8 7.a4 a6 8.Bg5 Nf6 9.d6 Qxd6 10.Qxd6 cxd6 11.bxf6 gxf6 with a very lousy
position for black. Black has alternatives but I haven't seen one yet where
black doesn't suffer.
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>> If 8...Nxc3?! 9.bxc3 d5 must be played 9...Bxc3? 10.Ba3!! (white has a
>> very strong attack Greco proved it in the 1600s!)
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> 9.d5! (Moller) Bf6 is most common, but Karpov played 9. ... Ne5 and
> drew Dzindzichaschili in Mexico, 1988, in 34 moves.
9. ... Ne5 is a big alternative but most seem to think that white gets
sufficient compensation for the pawn
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>> 9.bxc3 d5
>>
>> MainLine is 7.Bd2 Bxd2+ 8.Nbxd2
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