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Date: 16 May 2005 09:37:38
From: Len
Subject: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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I just started the same book, (I am only up to page 24). Being a beginner,
I find it frustrating, after having spent several minutes studying one of
the problems, only to find that the solution is flawed. I find the mistakes
after I question the solution and then run the give problem through the
computer. Do you know of anyone who has listed all, or at least some, of
the most glaring mistakes in this particular book?
Thanks
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Date: 18 May 2005 00:16:35
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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Len <[email protected] > wrote:
> I just started the same book, (I am only up to page 24). Being a
> beginner, I find it frustrating, after having spent several minutes
> studying one of the problems, only to find that the solution is
> flawed. I find the mistakes after I question the solution and then run
> the give problem through the computer.
On the upside, you're probably learning more from this analysis than you
would by just accepting the printed solutions as gospel.
> Do you know of anyone who has listed all, or at least some, of the most
> glaring mistakes in this particular book?
I'm not aware of any lists on the web but I've found a few errors
myself. The most glaring is position 270. I've not had chance to check
my error list but, if there's interest, I might go through it some time
and put it on the web somewhere.
Dave.
[Event "Reinfeld 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices and Combinations"]
[Site "270"]
[Date "-"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "5n1k/5pp1/1qb4p/1p1p3Q/2pP4/R1P2P1P/1RB3PK/4r3 b - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{Reinfeld gives}
1... Qc7+ 2. g3 Qe7
{This attacks the Ra2 and threatens Qe2#. This is, of course, completely
winning but misses a mate in three by} (2...Re2+ 3. Kh1 Qxg3 4.Qg4 Qh2#)
0-1
--
David Richerby Addictive Portable Beer (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a refreshing lager but you can
take it anywhere and you can never
put it down!
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Date: 17 May 2005 20:13:51
From: Len
Subject: Re: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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"David Richerby" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:7nE*[email protected]...
> Len <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I just started the same book, (I am only up to page 24). Being a
>> beginner, I find it frustrating, after having spent several minutes
>> studying one of the problems, only to find that the solution is
>> flawed. I find the mistakes after I question the solution and then run
>> the give problem through the computer.
>
> On the upside, you're probably learning more from this analysis than you
> would by just accepting the printed solutions as gospel.
>
>
>> Do you know of anyone who has listed all, or at least some, of the most
>> glaring mistakes in this particular book?
>
> I'm not aware of any lists on the web but I've found a few errors
> myself. The most glaring is position 270. I've not had chance to check
> my error list but, if there's interest, I might go through it some time
> and put it on the web somewhere.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> [Event "Reinfeld 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices and Combinations"]
> [Site "270"]
> [Date "-"]
> [Round "-"]
> [White "-"]
> [Black "-"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [FEN "5n1k/5pp1/1qb4p/1p1p3Q/2pP4/R1P2P1P/1RB3PK/4r3 b - - 0 1"]
> [SetUp "1"]
>
> {Reinfeld gives}
>
> 1... Qc7+ 2. g3 Qe7
>
> {This attacks the Ra2 and threatens Qe2#. This is, of course, completely
> winning but misses a mate in three by} (2...Re2+ 3. Kh1 Qxg3 4.Qg4 Qh2#)
>
> 0-1
> --
> David Richerby Addictive Portable Beer (TM):
> it's
> www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like a refreshing lager but you
> can
> take it anywhere and you can
> never
> put it down!
Thanks for the reply. You are probably right about me learning more by
realizing there are mistakes and actually finding them. However, I would be
interested in seeing your list sometime--if you have the time.
Thanks
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Date: 17 May 2005 19:20:48
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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> I find it frustrating, after having spent several minutes studying one of
> the problems, only to find that the solution is flawed. I find the
> mistakes after I question the solution and then run the give problem
> through the computer. Do you know of anyone who has listed all, or at
> least some, of the most glaring mistakes in this particular book?
Yeah, it's such a shame that a guy in 1924 couldn't have seen everything
that a computer in 2005 could find.
By the way, are you sure the computer really found a better line? Don't
trust those blinking numbers.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women
http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion
Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
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Date: 17 May 2005 17:37:10
From: Len
Subject: Re: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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Good point. I go in the corner and hang my head. (smile).
"Ray Gordon" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> I find it frustrating, after having spent several minutes studying one of
>> the problems, only to find that the solution is flawed. I find the
>> mistakes after I question the solution and then run the give problem
>> through the computer. Do you know of anyone who has listed all, or at
>> least some, of the most glaring mistakes in this particular book?
>
> Yeah, it's such a shame that a guy in 1924 couldn't have seen everything
> that a computer in 2005 could find.
>
> By the way, are you sure the computer really found a better line? Don't
> trust those blinking numbers.
>
>
> --
> Ray Gordon, Author
> http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
> Four FREE books on how to get laid by beautiful women
>
> http://www.cybersheet.com/chess.html
> Free Chess E-book: Train Like A Chess Champion
>
> Don't buy anything from experts who won't debate on a free speech forum.
>
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Date: 16 May 2005 19:40:24
From: Spencer R. Lower
Subject: Re: Reinfeld's 1001 Winning Chess Sacrifices And Combinations
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Finding cooks is part of the fun of tactics books. There is a sense of
satisfaction in finding alternative ways to win, and spoiling defences. I
have yet to find an error free book, and as I reread them, I discover more
and more. I doubt anyone has bothered to compile a list of mistakes, partly
because the defn. of mistake varies. I had to yawn at the list of errors in
Basic Chess Endings. Some were significant, but most were of the order of
"one move quicker is ..." So the solution given wins massive material
outright, but the computer spots mate in 14. What is important is your
ability to win the position OTB. Spotting the flaws without the computer is
your training.
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