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Date: 18 Jan 2005 15:23:47
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the strongest chess engine
ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new version of the premier
Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and most user friendly chess
GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than the PC platform.
Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
+ Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess Championship strength (1250
Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
+ Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging learning experience for
all players.
+ Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo including Elo history graph and
statistics.
+ Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6 pieces for perfect play in the endgame.
+ Unlimited levels and time controls including Casual, Blitz, Active, Fischer and Tournament.
+ Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study and preparation at all
levels.
+ Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess Interface.
+ Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1 Graphical User Interface.
+ Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game collections, PGN & EPD import/export and HTML web page
export.
+ Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour graphics with 2D/3D boards and multiple
piece styles.
+ Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10 chess engine when it is available.
Requires an Apple Macintosh computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with restricted capabilities is
available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
Best wishes,
k
http://www.hiarcs.com
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Date: 12 Feb 2005 21:21:23
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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In article <[email protected] >, Redshift
<[email protected] > writes
>k Uniacke wrote:
>> In article <2005020423335716807%CP@nospamorg>, Chessplayer
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>>On 2005-01-18 16:23:47 +0100, k Uniacke <[email protected]> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
>>>>strongest chess engine
>>>>ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
>>>>This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new
>>>>version of the premier
>>>>Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and
>>>>most user friendly chess
>>>>GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
>>>>The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than
>>>>the PC platform.
>>>>
>>>>Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
>>>>http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
>>>>+ Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess
>>>>Championship strength (1250
>>>>Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
>>>> + Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging
>>>>learning experience for
>>>>all players. + Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo
>>>>including Elo history graph and
>>>>statistics. + Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6
>>>>pieces for perfect play in the endgame. + Unlimited levels and time
>>>>controls including Casual, Blitz, Active, Fischer and Tournament. +
>>>>Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study
>>>>and preparation at all
>>>>levels. + Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess
>>>>Interface. + Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1
>>>>Graphical User Interface. + Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game
>>>>collections, PGN & EPD import/export and HTML web page
>>>>export. + Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour
>>>>graphics with 2D/3D boards and multiple
>>>>piece styles. + Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10
>>>>chess engine when it is available. Requires an Apple Macintosh
>>>>computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
>>>>
>>>>Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with
>>>>restricted capabilities is
>>>>available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes, k
>>>>
>>>>http://www.hiarcs.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Can it open chessbase and bookup files?
>>>
>>
>>
>> No non Chessbase product can read cbh Chessbase files.
>>
>
>Chess Assistant can.
True, but that's a PC product not a Macintosh product.
Best wishes,
k
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Date: 05 Feb 2005 09:43:40
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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In article <2005020423335716807%CP@nospamorg >, Chessplayer
<[email protected] > writes
>On 2005-01-18 16:23:47 +0100, k Uniacke <[email protected]> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
>> strongest chess engine
>> ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
>> This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new
>> version of the premier
>> Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and
>> most user friendly chess
>> GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
>> The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than
>> the PC platform.
>>
>> Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
>> http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
>>
>>
>> Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
>> + Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess
>> Championship strength (1250
>> Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
>> + Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging
>> learning experience for
>> all players. + Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo
>> including Elo history graph and
>> statistics. + Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6
>> pieces for perfect play in the endgame. + Unlimited levels and time
>> controls including Casual, Blitz, Active, Fischer and Tournament. +
>> Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study
>> and preparation at all
>> levels. + Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess
>> Interface. + Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1
>> Graphical User Interface. + Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game
>> collections, PGN & EPD import/export and HTML web page
>> export. + Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour
>> graphics with 2D/3D boards and multiple
>> piece styles. + Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10
>> chess engine when it is available. Requires an Apple Macintosh
>> computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
>>
>> Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with
>> restricted capabilities is
>> available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
>>
>> Best wishes, k
>>
>> http://www.hiarcs.com
>
>
>Can it open chessbase and bookup files?
>
No non Chessbase product can read cbh Chessbase files.
Save them as Portable Game Notation (PGN) format and then you can load
them.
Best wishes,
k
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 22:13:42
From: Redshift
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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k Uniacke wrote:
> In article <2005020423335716807%CP@nospamorg>, Chessplayer
> <[email protected]> writes
>
>>On 2005-01-18 16:23:47 +0100, k Uniacke <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
>>>strongest chess engine
>>>ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
>>>This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new
>>>version of the premier
>>>Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and
>>>most user friendly chess
>>>GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
>>>The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than
>>>the PC platform.
>>>
>>>Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
>>>http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
>>>+ Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess
>>>Championship strength (1250
>>>Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
>>> + Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging
>>>learning experience for
>>>all players. + Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo
>>>including Elo history graph and
>>>statistics. + Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6
>>>pieces for perfect play in the endgame. + Unlimited levels and time
>>>controls including Casual, Blitz, Active, Fischer and Tournament. +
>>>Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study
>>>and preparation at all
>>>levels. + Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess
>>>Interface. + Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1
>>>Graphical User Interface. + Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game
>>>collections, PGN & EPD import/export and HTML web page
>>>export. + Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour
>>>graphics with 2D/3D boards and multiple
>>>piece styles. + Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10
>>>chess engine when it is available. Requires an Apple Macintosh
>>>computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
>>>
>>>Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with
>>>restricted capabilities is
>>>available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
>>>
>>>Best wishes, k
>>>
>>>http://www.hiarcs.com
>>
>>
>>Can it open chessbase and bookup files?
>>
>
>
> No non Chessbase product can read cbh Chessbase files.
>
Chess Assistant can.
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Date: 04 Feb 2005 23:33:57
From: Chessplayer
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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On 2005-01-18 16:23:47 +0100, k Uniacke <[email protected] > said:
>
>
> Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
> strongest chess engine
> ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
> This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new
> version of the premier
> Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and
> most user friendly chess
> GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
> The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than
> the PC platform.
>
> Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
> http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
>
>
> Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
> + Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess
> Championship strength (1250
> Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
> + Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging
> learning experience for
> all players. + Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo
> including Elo history graph and
> statistics. + Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6
> pieces for perfect play in the endgame. + Unlimited levels and time
> controls including Casual, Blitz, Active, Fischer and Tournament. +
> Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study
> and preparation at all
> levels. + Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess
> Interface. + Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1
> Graphical User Interface. + Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game
> collections, PGN & EPD import/export and HTML web page
> export. + Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour
> graphics with 2D/3D boards and multiple
> piece styles. + Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10
> chess engine when it is available. Requires an Apple Macintosh
> computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
>
> Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with
> restricted capabilities is
> available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
>
> Best wishes, k
>
> http://www.hiarcs.com
Can it open chessbase and bookup files?
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Date: 05 Feb 2005 07:00:43
From: Mirko G.
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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Chessplayer <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<2005020423335716807%CP@nospamorg>...
> On 2005-01-18 16:23:47 +0100, k Uniacke <[email protected]> said:
>
>
>
> Can it open chessbase and bookup files?
no, it could open pgn and the sigma chess format. But with ExaChess
you could open CBF Files and save the games to pgn.
regards,
mirko
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 21:11:33
From: Richard A. Fowell
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh - don't need to register to analyze games
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Henri H. Arsenault wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2005 02:48:31 -0800, "Richard A. Fowell" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I think you can do what you want with Sigma Lite.
> >
> Unless I missed someting, this analysis will contain no modes, but
> will only indicate the evaluation numbers for the moves that you
> indicate. So if you want toknow what you did wrong at a place where
it
> shows a big change in evaluation, you have to turn on monitor mode
and
> go to that move.
No. You do not need monitor mode to see the recommended continuation as
well as the score.
The annotations below were produced using "Analyze: Analyze Game",
without monitor mode, using an unregistered copy of Sigma Chess, The
preferred variations are listed in curly braces.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.01.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "HIARCS 9.60 UCI"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B06"]
1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Bc4 b6 4. Qf3 { +1.32 4. Nf3 c6 5. Ne5 e6 } h5 {
-1.15
4... e6 5. Ne2 Nc6 6. Be3 Nb4 7. Na3 d5 8. exd5 exd5 } 5. Qxf7# 1-0
The variations were visible in the moves window as they were created,
and are visible in the moves window if the PGN game above is read into,
or pasted into, Sigma Chess.
If your copy of Sigma Chess does not display the variations using
"Analyze Game", make
sure the box "Main Line" is checked in the dialog box reached by the
menu item:
Sigma Chess : Preferences : Scores and Analysis :
If it still doesn't work, try loading this week's update: Sigma Chess
6.1.1.
If it doesn't work after that, contact the author.
To produce the example I put Sigma Chess in manual mode, made the moves
with the mouse,
then rewound the game and used the "Analyze : Analyze Game" menu item.
The scores and lines appear in the display as the analysis proceeds
(without
human intervention, at that point - you can go off and do something
else) and
can be viewed when you get back, or you can save it as a .PGN file
(below) and
load it later - the scores and annotation will be visible.
-Richard
>
> since the programe has to do the analysis to get the evaluation, I
> don't understand why it can't also display the moves tht the analysis
> found...
>
> Henri
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Date: 26 Jan 2005 13:00:30
From: Henri Arsenault
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh - don't need to register to analyze games
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Richard A. Fowell" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
>If your copy of Sigma Chess does not display the variations using
>"Analyze Game", make
>sure the box "Main Line" is checked in the dialog box reached by the
>menu item:
>Sigma Chess : Preferences : Scores and Analysis :
>
OK, itr worked: I had not checked that box...
Henri
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Date: 23 Jan 2005 02:48:31
From: Richard A. Fowell
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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<snip >
>
> I bought hiarcs/sigma yesterday, only buying hiarcs and leaving Sigma
at
> Sigma Light. I am very disappointed at one inability. With hiarcs 7
> for the mac, I could enter an entire game in monitor mode, ask it to
> analyze, with, say 30 seconds per move, and after a time come back
and
> print the analysis. It would show the evaluation at each move and the
> principal line. Thus, at any move in which the evaluation changed
> significantly in my disfavor, I could look at the principal line and
> identify my mistake/blunder.
>
> If the pro version of Sigma can do this, I will buy it. Would someone
> familiar with the pro version please advise me.
I think you can do what you want with Sigma Lite.
Registering Sigma will allow Monitor mode, but this "Monitor mode"
simply means that the computer provides realtime analysis as you move
the pieces about. It means that you want the computer to "watch over
your shoulder" and "kibitz". What you describe you want is a "batch"
computer annotation, where the computer analyzes the whole game.
Here's how to do a "batch" computer analysis with Sigma Lite:
(1) Enter the game using "Manual" mode, not "Monitor" mode.
( Use the dropdown menu obtained by holding down the mouse button
on the icon second from left on the bottom of the game window, or go to
the menu item Level: Playing Mode and Level, and select "Manual".
(2) After entering your game:
Click the "Undo All" button near the bottom left of the game window, or
use the menu item : Game: Undo all moves.
(3) Use the menu item: Analyze: Analyze Game.
Here, you can select now long HIARCS will analyze each move - you can
enter 30 seconds as 00:30 in the Time: Analysis Time per move: box. A
nice feature is to check the "Filter: Skip positions (don't store
analysis) where HIARCS 9.60 UCI agrees with the move. That way, when
you come back and look at the game, you will see only the positions
where HIARCS has a different suggestion. If you are only interested in
seeing where you can improve, then you can also select the check box to
ignore either Black or White, which will cut the amount of time HIARCS
takes to analyze your game in half.
(4) Go to the menu item: Sigma: Preferences: Scores and Analysis
Now set the items to your taste. Note that "multiple lines" here does
not mean "multiple PVs",
it just means the various items reported will be separated by newlines.
(4) Go off and do something else while HIARCS analyzes your game, if
you like.
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 12:38:56
From: Henri H. Arsenault
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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On 23 Jan 2005 02:48:31 -0800, "Richard A. Fowell" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>
>I think you can do what you want with Sigma Lite.
>
Unless I missed someting, this analysis will contain no modes, but
will only indicate the evaluation numbers for the moves that you
indicate. So if you want toknow what you did wrong at a place where it
shows a big change in evaluation, you have to turn on monitor mode and
go to that move.
since the programe has to do the analysis to get the evaluation, I
don't understand why it can't also display the moves tht the analysis
found...
Henri
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Date: 23 Jan 2005 02:15:30
From: Richard A. Fowell
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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Pumpkin wrote:
> I downloaded the lite version, but...
> Is it possible to have a larger window?
> it is kind of small...
>
Yes.
There are three window sizes: Standard, Medium and Large.
As you have noted, the "Standard" is a bit small if your display is set
for higher than 800x600 pixels.
Go to the menu item: Display, and select the 4th line: Board Size. Then
select either "Medium" or "Large" rather than "Standard".
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Date: 21 Jan 2005 12:11:59
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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The Pro version of Sigma supports entering games in Monitor mode and is
available in the Level- >Playing Mode and Level menu item.
Best wishes,
k
In article <[email protected] >, Herbert
Kanner <[email protected] > writes
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Henri Arsenault) wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Ron
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > If SigmaChess handled variations better (allowing you to move freely
>> >between variations nondestructively, ala Chessbase Light, etc) then this
>> >would be all I'd ever need.
>> >
>> The interface has a menu item under "analyze" that says "multiple lines",
>> but it doesn<t seem to work with Sigma Lite. I don<t have Sigma pro yet so
>> I don<t knw if it works with that. so far the analyze function shows only
>> the best line.
>>
>> But you CAN create a new board on which you can study variations without
>> destroying the information on the first. However one engine (e.g. Hiarcs)
>> cannot analyze on both boards at the same time, even on a dual processor
>> Mac, unless you use two different engines on the two boards.
>>
>> Henri
>
>I bought hiarcs/sigma yesterday, only buying hiarcs and leaving Sigma at
>Sigma Light. I am very disappointed at one inability. With hiarcs 7
>for the mac, I could enter an entire game in monitor mode, ask it to
>analyze, with, say 30 seconds per move, and after a time come back and
>print the analysis. It would show the evaluation at each move and the
>principal line. Thus, at any move in which the evaluation changed
>significantly in my disfavor, I could look at the principal line and
>identify my mistake/blunder.
>
>If the pro version of Sigma can do this, I will buy it. Would someone
>familiar with the pro version please advise me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Herb
>
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Date: 21 Jan 2005 01:40:56
From: raylopez99
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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Hi k--
The issue I am addressing here is whether SSDF rated play can be
correlated to human rated play (European pool), call it "Human".
I believe there is a correlation between European Human play and the
computer generated SSDF play. Granted it is approximate and I am
familiar with the arguments about ratings inflation of USCF vs. Fide,
Euro vs US, etc, but I cannot believe that human Elo in Europe cannot
correlate to the SSDF list. So, to prove this point, below is a table
that shows Computer versus Human play for various models, and the SSDF
rating for these same computers (granted there is a time difference
since the games were played as early as 1987-1991 for humans, and until
this year for computers).
As you can see, there is definitely a correlation IMO. I consider the
"Against Human" rating to be "close" if within 150 points
(nearly 1 class).
Also for less than 30 games your error will be greater than 5%. In
fact, I recall an August 1997 interview with the SSDF chairman where he
pointed out even after many games the ratings can change dramatically.
Here is the exerpt: "Question: > But undoubtedly there are cases where
SSDF has missed the k with anew program? Answer: Yes, Mephisto
Polgar, for instance. In 1989, after 94 games, Mephisto Polgar was
given the rating 2057 +/- 57. Now it has played 1693 games and has a
rating of 1973 +/- 17. Obviously, the first rating was too high and
Polgar was thus one of the computers that lay slightly outside its' 95%
interval."
But in general, the SSDF rating does seem to track, roughly, the Human
rating.
Also SSDF does presumeably, or seemingly so, try to correlate its
computer Elo rating with the human pool, if you read this exerpt:
http://members.rpa.net/~jdenzler/faq.html :: "SSDF is a Swedish
organization that tests computer chess programs by matches on
tournament time control. They publish the results in the famous SSDF
list. Also calibration of the ELO numbers is done by computer vs.
***human matches***" (emphasis added; though perhaps this was
referring to the 1987-1991 era.
RL
SSDF list (complete) from
http://web.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww043.txt
Main page CALIBRATING RESULTS (from:
http://home.interact.se/~w100107/level.htm)
Our list's level is based on following computers Tournament
Performance Rating against humans.
The games were played between 1987 and 1991.
LEGEND:
It's a bit hard to read, but there are five columns, arranged thus:
Computer: / Rating v. Humans: / Games v. Humans: / SSDF Rating / Close?
Computer = Model, etc
Rating v. Humans = ELO from the 1987-1991 match against rated Humans
SSDF Rating = current (2005) SSDF rating for these computers
Close? = Yes, No if within (or not within) 150 ELO points or so for
greater than 9 games; otherwise add question k. You really need
several hundred games however, but I think you can see that there is a
correlation between the SSDF ELO and Computer vs. Human ELO
Computer: Rating v. Humans: Games v. Humans: SSDF Rating Close?
1. Mephisto Lyon 68020 12 MHz 2217 12 2152 Yes
2. Mephisto Portorose 68020 12 MHz 2181 10 2138 Yes
3. Fidelity Mach IV 68020 12 MHz 2177 19 1977 No
4. Mephisto MM 4 Turbo Kit 6502 MHz 2122 9 1804 No?
5. Fidelity Mach III 68000 16 MHz 2067 25 1893 No
6. Mephisto Academy 6502 5 MHz 2057 21 1839 No
7. Mephisto Almeria 68020 12 Mhz 2030 26 1973 Yes
8. CXG Sphinx Galaxy 6502 4 MHz 1999 28 1780 No
9. Novag Super Forte C 6502 6 MHz 1996 15 1860 Yes
10. Mephisto Roma 68020 14 MHz 1979 9 1930 Yes?
11. Novag Diablo 68000 16 MHz 1975 9 1905 Yes?
12. Psion Atari 68000 8 MHz 1947 5 1782 No?
13. Saitek Maestro A 6502 6 MHz 1896 9 1816 Yes? (D model)
14. Novag Super Expert B 6502 6 MHz 1892 9 1819 Yes?
15. Mephisto Mega IV 6502 5 MHz 1866 28 1815 Yes
15. Mephisto Dallas 68000 12 MHz 1866 15 1923 Yes
17. Novag Forte B 6502 5 MHz 1861 28 1716 Yes
18. Conchess Plymate Victoria 6502 5.5 MHz 1841 7 1767 Yes?
19. Fidelity Excel Club 68000 12 MHz 1774 6
20. Mephisto MM 5 6502 5 MHz 1757 6 1874 Yes?
21. Saitek Maestro D 6502 10 MHz 1722 18 1816 Yes
22. Novag Super Forte A 6502 5 MHz 1718 9
23. Fidelity Excellence 6502 3 MHz 1578 5
24. Novag Super Constellation 6502 4 MHz 1555 9 1631 Yes?
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Date: 20 Jan 2005 10:25:44
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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I don't believe I have made any assumptions.
HIARCS on a G4/1.2Mhz is approx. the same speed as on the old
Athlon/1.2Ghz being used by SSDF.
I never said HIARCS 9.6 is 50 Elo stronger than HIARCS 9, although
that's a reasonable guess on your behalf ;-).
I gave 40 games as an example, not to show correlation to SSDF. As
another example I heard it beat Deep Sjeng 1.6 by 16-4.
Please note the SSDF rating list is based on a pool of computer software
programs playing each other. It does not show how they perform against
humans, let alone humans with different playing styles.
The Mac has been neglected for too long, its a nice platform.
On the GUI front, all the praise should be for Ole Christensen, the
author of Sigma Chess. It is a quality GUI with a lot of capabilities.
Best wishes,
k
http://www.hiarcs.com
In article <[email protected] >,
raylopez99 <[email protected] > writes
>This is a good thread that I will save in case I buy the mini-mac. I
>think more data is needed however. There are some assumptions being
>made here (like Athlon/1.2 GHz <= Mac G4/1.2 GHz; that HIRACS 9.6 plays
>stronger by 50 pts than HIRACS 9; that a match of 20 games can be used
>to correlate strength with the SSDF) that require further research.
>Until I get a better handle on the SSDF ELO strength of the Hiracs 9.6
>on a Mac, I cannot buy it, since my goals are not to play chess at work
>or train, but rate myself. I'm have PocketPC, PC versions of Fritz for
>this purpose, but I like the small footprint of a Mac for another room
>I have.
>
>Porting Hiracs to a Mac from Windows must have been quite an effort,
>notwithstanding how ubiquitous chess program source code is nowadays*,
>since the architectures and libraries between the platforms I would
>imagine are so different (*I notice even a textbook by Deitel on
>C++.NET has a chapter on a GUI program for moving chess pieces)
>
>Good job, thanks!
>
>RL
>
>k Uniacke wrote:
>> The SSDF are a voluntary organisation and do not have Macintosh
>> computers to test on.
>>
>> Mac HIARCS 9.6 is significantly stronger than its PC windows HIARCS 9
>> cousin on equal hardware. This is based on thousands of internal test
>> games. So based on the SSDF figures that puts HIARCS 9 on a
>> Athlon/1.2Ghz at 2739 Elo, it is safe to assume HIARCS 9.6 on a Mac
>> G4/1.2Ghz will perform better.
>>
>> Any Elo figure will depend on what Mac hardware you are using, a
>G4/1Ghz
>> Mac will perform above 2700 Elo.
>>
>> I heard of some early scores from a customer on Mac G4/1.25Ghz
>against
>> Ruffian 2:
>> HIARCS 9.6 won 14.5-5.5 at Game/25+5s a move.
>> HIARCS 9.6 won 12.5-7.5 at Game/4+2s a move.
>>
>> If you like to rate yourself against the computer, Sigma Chess HIARCS
>> Pro is perfect for this because not only can you set the Elo you want
>to
>> play against (machine performance allowing), you can also have your
>> games rated and presented graphically in Elo progression.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> k
>>
>> http://www.hiarcs.com
>>
>>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> raylopez99 <[email protected]> writes
>> >Hello--
>> >
>> >I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
>> >for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
>> >like to rate myself playing against the computer.
>> >
>> >Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes /
>move?
>> >
>> >
>> >Has your Mac HIARCS engine played against Windows-based chess
>software?
>> >Maybe you can post a match (>30 games if possible to reduce error)
>> >against a Wintel machine, and we can extrapolate strength from the
>SSDF
>> >ELO rating for the Wintel machine.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >RL
>> >
>
--
k Uniacke
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Date: 20 Jan 2005 07:32:58
From: Eric Hallsworth
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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In article <[email protected] >, Eric Hallsworth
<[email protected] > writes
>In article <[email protected]>,
>raylopez99 <[email protected]> writes
>>Hello--
>>
>>I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
>>for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
>>like to rate myself playing against the computer.
>>
>>Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes / move?
>>
>The Elo rating for Hiarcs MAC will depend on the processor your MAC has.
>The same applies on PCs.... the more powerful/faster the processor, the
>greater the playing strength, whatever the time control.
>
>Hiarcs MAC is a much later version than Hiarcs9 on the PC, and is
>probably around 30 maybe 40 Elo stronger than Hiarcs 9 PC. The SSDF has
>a rating for the original ChessBase PC version Hiarcs9 playing at 40/2
>and based on games using, I believe, Pentium3/1200 MHz machines. I don't
>think the SSDF is likely to be buying MACs to enable a more direct
>comparison.
>
>The only result from a purchaser I have seen showed
>
>At 4+2
>Hiarcs MAC - Ruffian2 12.5-7.5
>At 25+5
>Hiarcs MAC - Ruffian 2 14.5-5.5
>
>Hope that helps a little.... Eric
>
New result in, at 4+2
Hiarcs MAC - Deep Sjeng 1.6 16-4 !!
Hiarcs MAC is also edging Gandalf 6 (playing on a Centrino that is over
twice as fast as the MAC Hiarcs) by 19-16
Cheers... Eric
--
With best wishes from Eric Hallsworth
45 Stretham Road, Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RX, England
Publisher of Selective Search, the UK's only Computer Chess Magazine, est. 1985.
Computer Chess web pages+photos... http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 19:53:26
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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If SigmaChess handled variations better (allowing you to move freely
between variations nondestructively, ala Chessbase Light, etc) then this
would be all I'd ever need.
-Ron
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 18:34:58
From: bluemoon
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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In article <[email protected] >, k Uniacke
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
> strongest chess engine
> ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
>
>
Could you please clarify, I already own Simga Chess Pro, do I need to
purchase HIARCS 9.6 or is there some upgrade path?
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Date: 20 Jan 2005 12:58:08
From: Henri Arsenault
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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In article <190120051834583704%[email protected] >, bluemoon
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
>Could you please clarify, I already own Simga Chess Pro, do I need to
>purchase HIARCS 9.6 or is there some upgrade path?
No, it is two different companies. Hiarcs is a UCI engine that is added to
Sigma Chess Lite or Pro, and Sigma allows you to choose between the two
engines.
Henri
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Date: 20 Jan 2005 12:06:17
From: John A Swartz
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
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FYI, if you download the new Sigmachess 6.1 with the unregistered
version of HIARCS, and you are already a Sigmachess Pro user, the "Pro"
features of Sigmachess still work - but you still need to order the
"Pro" version of HIARCS to get all of the HIARCS engine features.
John
Henri Arsenault wrote:
> In article <190120051834583704%[email protected]>, bluemoon
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Could you please clarify, I already own Simga Chess Pro, do I need to
>>purchase HIARCS 9.6 or is there some upgrade path?
>
>
> No, it is two different companies. Hiarcs is a UCI engine that is added to
> Sigma Chess Lite or Pro, and Sigma allows you to choose between the two
> engines.
>
> Henri
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 15:11:18
From: raylopez99
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
This is a good thread that I will save in case I buy the mini-mac. I
think more data is needed however. There are some assumptions being
made here (like Athlon/1.2 GHz <= Mac G4/1.2 GHz; that HIRACS 9.6 plays
stronger by 50 pts than HIRACS 9; that a match of 20 games can be used
to correlate strength with the SSDF) that require further research.
Until I get a better handle on the SSDF ELO strength of the Hiracs 9.6
on a Mac, I cannot buy it, since my goals are not to play chess at work
or train, but rate myself. I'm have PocketPC, PC versions of Fritz for
this purpose, but I like the small footprint of a Mac for another room
I have.
Porting Hiracs to a Mac from Windows must have been quite an effort,
notwithstanding how ubiquitous chess program source code is nowadays*,
since the architectures and libraries between the platforms I would
imagine are so different (*I notice even a textbook by Deitel on
C++.NET has a chapter on a GUI program for moving chess pieces)
Good job, thanks!
RL
k Uniacke wrote:
> The SSDF are a voluntary organisation and do not have Macintosh
> computers to test on.
>
> Mac HIARCS 9.6 is significantly stronger than its PC windows HIARCS 9
> cousin on equal hardware. This is based on thousands of internal test
> games. So based on the SSDF figures that puts HIARCS 9 on a
> Athlon/1.2Ghz at 2739 Elo, it is safe to assume HIARCS 9.6 on a Mac
> G4/1.2Ghz will perform better.
>
> Any Elo figure will depend on what Mac hardware you are using, a
G4/1Ghz
> Mac will perform above 2700 Elo.
>
> I heard of some early scores from a customer on Mac G4/1.25Ghz
against
> Ruffian 2:
> HIARCS 9.6 won 14.5-5.5 at Game/25+5s a move.
> HIARCS 9.6 won 12.5-7.5 at Game/4+2s a move.
>
> If you like to rate yourself against the computer, Sigma Chess HIARCS
> Pro is perfect for this because not only can you set the Elo you want
to
> play against (machine performance allowing), you can also have your
> games rated and presented graphically in Elo progression.
>
> Best wishes,
> k
>
> http://www.hiarcs.com
>
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> raylopez99 <[email protected]> writes
> >Hello--
> >
> >I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
> >for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
> >like to rate myself playing against the computer.
> >
> >Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes /
move?
> >
> >
> >Has your Mac HIARCS engine played against Windows-based chess
software?
> >Maybe you can post a match (>30 games if possible to reduce error)
> >against a Wintel machine, and we can extrapolate strength from the
SSDF
> >ELO rating for the Wintel machine.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >RL
> >
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 14:47:40
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
Yes, choose a larger board size from the Sigma Chess HIARCS menu.
In article <[email protected] >, Pumpkin
<[email protected] > writes
>I downloaded the lite version, but...
>Is it possible to have a larger window?
>it is kind of small...
>
>"k Uniacke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 for Mac OS X has just been released offering the
>> strongest chess engine
>> ever on Apple Macintosh computers.
>>
>> This World Championship strength chess engine is available with a new
>> version of the premier
>> Macintosh chess GUI, Sigma Chess 6.1, providing the best-featured and most
>> user friendly chess
>> GUI and engine combination for the Macintosh ever.
>>
>> The Apple Macintosh now has the more advanced HIARCS chess engine than the
>> PC platform.
>>
>> Full details are available on the HIARCS and Sigma Chess websites:
>> http://www.hiarcs.com and http://www.sigmachess.com
>>
>>
>> Here are the key features of the full Sigma Chess HIARCS 9.6 Pro product:
>>
>> + Suitable for all players from absolute beginners to World Chess
>> Championship strength (1250
>> Elo - 2750+ Elo!).
>>
>> + Can play at any chess strength you set in Elo offering a challenging
>> learning experience for
>> all players.
>>
>> + Monitors your play and measures your progress in Elo including Elo
>> history graph and
>> statistics.
>>
>> + Endgame database support of Nalimov tablebases up to 6 pieces for
>> perfect play in the endgame.
>>
>> + Unlimited levels and time controls including Casual, Blitz, Active,
>> Fischer and Tournament.
>>
>> + Tournament book with the latest theory, invaluable for opening study and
>> preparation at all
>> levels.
>>
>> + Sigma Chess and HIARCS support the Universal Chess Interface.
>>
>> + Integrates with the highly acclaimed Sigma Chess 6.1 Graphical User
>> Interface.
>>
>> + Sigma Chess GUI supports huge game collections, PGN & EPD import/export
>> and HTML web page
>> export.
>>
>> + Sigma Chess Lite included with high resolution, colour graphics with
>> 2D/3D boards and multiple
>> piece styles.
>>
>> + Free upgrade for registered customers to the HIARCS 10 chess engine when
>> it is available.
>>
>> Requires an Apple Macintosh computer running Mac OS X 10.1 or later.
>>
>> Full details and a free downloadable Sigma Chess HIARCS Lite with
>> restricted capabilities is
>> available here: http://www.hiarcs.com/mac_chess_hiarcs.htm
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> k
>>
>> http://www.hiarcs.com
>
>
k
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 22:43:29
From: Henri H. Arsenault
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
I bought the game only today so I have not had much time to try it
out. I already had Hiarcs for the Palm. A few comments.
1) On my dual processor Mac G5, the analysis runs about 200,000 nodes
per second and reaches 12 plies in a few seconds. This is comparable
to Fritz on my 2 GHz PC. Of course this does not prove playing
strength, which to me is almost irrelevant except for analysis.
2) Hiarcs runs as a UCI engine under the Sigma interface. Sigma Lite
is free, but some functions are not available unless one pays extra.
Buying Hiarcs does not unlock these functions. If I want to use all
the functions, I have to pay an extra $20. There should be an option
to buy both at the same time, I don't like to pay twice. Of course all
specific Hiarcs features will run under Sigma Lite, but...
This is the first heavyweight chess program for the Mac, so Mac owners
who do not have a PC (and those like me who do, but want to play chess
at work on their Macs...) shoud rejoice and buy this program
immediately.
I own Fritz8, Chessmaster 9 and 10 for the PC, Hiarcs, Chess Genius,
and Chess Tiger for the Palm, and now Hiarcs for the Mac. I guess I
can never get enough...(so whydahell am I spending most of my time
playing Hearts of Iron 2 on my PC?...)
Henri
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 14:47:22
From: Mark Uniacke
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
The SSDF are a voluntary organisation and do not have Macintosh
computers to test on.
Mac HIARCS 9.6 is significantly stronger than its PC windows HIARCS 9
cousin on equal hardware. This is based on thousands of internal test
games. So based on the SSDF figures that puts HIARCS 9 on a
Athlon/1.2Ghz at 2739 Elo, it is safe to assume HIARCS 9.6 on a Mac
G4/1.2Ghz will perform better.
Any Elo figure will depend on what Mac hardware you are using, a G4/1Ghz
Mac will perform above 2700 Elo.
I heard of some early scores from a customer on Mac G4/1.25Ghz against
Ruffian 2:
HIARCS 9.6 won 14.5-5.5 at Game/25+5s a move.
HIARCS 9.6 won 12.5-7.5 at Game/4+2s a move.
If you like to rate yourself against the computer, Sigma Chess HIARCS
Pro is perfect for this because not only can you set the Elo you want to
play against (machine performance allowing), you can also have your
games rated and presented graphically in Elo progression.
Best wishes,
k
http://www.hiarcs.com
In article <[email protected] >,
raylopez99 <[email protected] > writes
>Hello--
>
>I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
>for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
>like to rate myself playing against the computer.
>
>Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes / move?
>
>
>Has your Mac HIARCS engine played against Windows-based chess software?
>Maybe you can post a match (>30 games if possible to reduce error)
>against a Wintel machine, and we can extrapolate strength from the SSDF
>ELO rating for the Wintel machine.
>
>Regards,
>
>RL
>
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 14:25:33
From: Eric Hallsworth
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
In article <[email protected] >,
raylopez99 <[email protected] > writes
>Hello--
>
>I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
>for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
>like to rate myself playing against the computer.
>
>Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes / move?
>
The Elo rating for Hiarcs MAC will depend on the processor your MAC has.
The same applies on PCs.... the more powerful/faster the processor, the
greater the playing strength, whatever the time control.
Hiarcs MAC is a much later version than Hiarcs9 on the PC, and is
probably around 30 maybe 40 Elo stronger than Hiarcs 9 PC. The SSDF has
a rating for the original ChessBase PC version Hiarcs9 playing at 40/2
and based on games using, I believe, Pentium3/1200 MHz machines. I don't
think the SSDF is likely to be buying MACs to enable a more direct
comparison.
The only result from a purchaser I have seen showed
At 4+2
Hiarcs MAC - Ruffian2 12.5-7.5
At 25+5
Hiarcs MAC - Ruffian 2 14.5-5.5
Hope that helps a little.... Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software: http://www.elhchess demon.co.uk
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 02:43:04
From: raylopez99
Subject: Re: Sigma Chess HIARCS for Macintosh now available
|
Hello--
I really would like to see rating statistics along the lines of SSDF
for the Macintosh chess software. Otherwise I won't buy it--since I
like to rate myself playing against the computer.
Do you have an estimate for average ELO (European) at 3 minutes / move?
Has your Mac HIARCS engine played against Windows-based chess software?
Maybe you can post a match ( >30 games if possible to reduce error)
against a Wintel machine, and we can extrapolate strength from the SSDF
ELO rating for the Wintel machine.
Regards,
RL
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