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Date: 03 Dec 2004 06:58:04
From: Sam Sloan
Subject: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In Round 7 of the US Championship played today, IM Dmitry Schneider
was forfeited because his cell phone rang at the board.
Eric Johnson first became famous for doing this at his local club but
this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
tournament that I am aware of.
IM Dmitry Schneider had an inferior position. It was going to be a
rook and pawn endgame with four pawns to three, all pawns on the same
side of the board. He probably would have lost anyway but he certainly
had drawing chances.
http://www.uschesschampionship.com/news/r07pairingsresults.htm
Sam Sloan
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 14:54:06
From: Ray Gordon
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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So if you're losing, just call your opponent!
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 12:19:54
From: FesterBesterTester
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 06:58:04 GMT, [email protected] (Sam Sloan)
wrote:
>Eric Johnson first became famous for doing this at his local club but
>this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
>tournament that I am aware of.
Ask former WC Ponoiov.
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2003/oct/13chess.htm
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Date: 05 Dec 2004 20:48:04
From: Jerry Spinrad
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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Could this rule be used for rating manipulation? If you were behind in
a game, you could arrange to be forfeited by getting a cell phone
call, and thus not lose ratings points.
Jerry Spinrad
[email protected] (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<[email protected] >...
> In Round 7 of the US Championship played today, IM Dmitry Schneider
> was forfeited because his cell phone rang at the board.
>
> Eric Johnson first became famous for doing this at his local club but
> this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
> tournament that I am aware of.
>
> IM Dmitry Schneider had an inferior position. It was going to be a
> rook and pawn endgame with four pawns to three, all pawns on the same
> side of the board. He probably would have lost anyway but he certainly
> had drawing chances.
>
> http://www.uschesschampionship.com/news/r07pairingsresults.htm
>
> Sam Sloan
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Date: 05 Dec 2004 23:48:54
From: Bill Smythe
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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"Jerry Spinrad" wrote:
> Could this rule be used for rating manipulation? If you were behind in
> a game, you could arrange to be forfeited by getting a cell phone
> call, and thus not lose ratings points.
Nope. That kind of a forfeit still counts for rating points. The only kind
of forfeit that avoids rating point changes is if one player or the other
played no moves.
Bill Smythe
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 14:25:58
From: Jeremy Spinrad
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In that case, it seems that the rule would do some damage to the rating system if
it comes up too often.
Is this a mandatory rule in all tournaments, or is it up to the discretion of the
TDs? I don't have a cell phone myself, but as a scholastic coach I know some of
my scholastic players have a cell phone so their parents can call them up, and
for some of them I am not so sure they are proficient in setting it not to ring!
Jerry Spinrad
In article <[email protected] >, "Bill Smythe" <[email protected]> writes:
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 23:48:28
From: Bill Smythe
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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"Jeremy Spinrad" wrote:
> .... I am not so sure they are proficient in setting it not to ring!
What?? Saying kids don't know how to set their phones not to ring is like
saying parents don't need to ask their kids how to program their VCRs (or
their Chronos clocks).
Bill Smythe
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 23:46:13
From: Bill Smythe
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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"Jeremy Spinrad" wrote:
> In that case, it seems that the rule would do some damage to the rating
system if
> it comes up too often.
Here you're talking about the rule that says all games count for rating, as
long as each player plays at least one move. That one's written in stone, I
do believe.
> Is this a mandatory rule in all tournaments, or is it up to the discretion
of the
> TDs? ....
But now you're talking about cell phones. As far as I know, that one's
still discretionary, but there seems to be a lot of momentum in the
direction of taking strong action against those who allow their phones to
ring.
Bill Smythe
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Date: 07 Dec 2004 07:13:47
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In article <[email protected] >,
"Bill Smythe" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Jeremy Spinrad" wrote:
> > In that case, it seems that the rule would do some damage to the rating
> system if
> > it comes up too often.
>
> Here you're talking about the rule that says all games count for rating, as
> long as each player plays at least one move. That one's written in stone, I
> do believe.
>
> > Is this a mandatory rule in all tournaments, or is it up to the discretion
> of the
> > TDs? ....
>
> But now you're talking about cell phones. As far as I know, that one's
> still discretionary, but there seems to be a lot of momentum in the
> direction of taking strong action against those who allow their phones to
> ring.
If only that momentum would extend to other areas of society.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 06 Dec 2004 10:30:28
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (Jeremy Spinrad) wrote:
> In that case, it seems that the rule would do some damage to the rating
> system if
> it comes up too often.
>
> Is this a mandatory rule in all tournaments, or is it up to the discretion of
> the
> TDs? I don't have a cell phone myself, but as a scholastic coach I know some
> of
> my scholastic players have a cell phone so their parents can call them up,
> and
> for some of them I am not so sure they are proficient in setting it not to
> ring!
Wait, you're saying that someone under the age of 20 doesn't
instinctively know how to use every feature of their cell phone? That
makes no sense.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 08:05:26
From: Denis
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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[email protected] (Sam Sloan) wrote in message > Eric Johnson first became famous for doing this at his local club but
> this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
> tournament that I am aware of.
Happened to FIDE WC Ponoev, too a year ago.
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 05:38:51
From: KidDon
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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[email protected] (Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<[email protected] >...
> In Round 7 of the US Championship played today, IM Dmitry Schneider
> was forfeited because his cell phone rang at the board.
>
> Eric Johnson first became famous for doing this at his local club but
> this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
> tournament that I am aware of.
>
> IM Dmitry Schneider had an inferior position. It was going to be a
> rook and pawn endgame with four pawns to three, all pawns on the same
> side of the board. He probably would have lost anyway but he certainly
> had drawing chances.
>
> http://www.uschesschampionship.com/news/r07pairingsresults.htm
>
> Sam Sloan
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I am glad this rule is being enforced. I can only hope that it will
be applied consistently, but it is always difficult to have an
absolute bright line rule. Had, for example GM Hikaru Nakamura's cell
phone rang for one brief second, very quietly, while he had a superior
position over GM Gregory Kaidanov in Board 2 in round 7, would the
rule have been applied there as well? Would GM Nakamura have been
forfeited? (not picking on GM Nakamura here, just using an example).
kiddon
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 15:59:33
From: Henri Arsenault
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (KidDon) wrote:
>I am glad this rule is being enforced. I can only hope that it will
>be applied consistently, but it is always difficult to have an
>absolute bright line rule. Had, for example GM Hikaru Nakamura's cell
>phone rang for one brief second, very quietly, while he had a superior
>position over GM Gregory Kaidanov in Board 2 in round 7, would the
>rule have been applied there as well? Would GM Nakamura have been
>forfeited? (not picking on GM Nakamura here, just using an example).
>
The rules are clear (I presume that the USCF rule is the same as the FIDE
one): if the phone rings, you are forfeited, period! Whether it rings for
one second or for one hour...
And any idiot who brings a cell phone into a playing room without making
sure that it is turned off deserves to lose.
I just wish that they had a similar rule for airports. I just came back
from a trip, and not once did I not have some dodo sitting next to me
gabbing away on and on about some inane subject.
Henri
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 11:08:15
From: Harold Buck
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (Henri Arsenault) wrote:
>
> I just wish that they had a similar rule for airports. I just came back
> from a trip, and not once did I not have some dodo sitting next to me
> gabbing away on and on about some inane subject.
>
The priy purpose of the cell phone is to keep people from having to
spend a single moment alone with their own thoughts. If you have to,
say, wait in line for 3 minutes, you call someone so you can chat
instead of thinking.
--Harold Buck
"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 12:22:40
From: Doctor SBD
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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>but
>this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
>tournament that I am aware of.
Then you remain, as always, extremely unaware of recent events in the chess
world, especially for a so-called chess journalist.
Do a quick Google search and you will find where this happened to a much more
well-known player some months back.
SBD
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Date: 07 Dec 2004 11:54:05
From: Jerzy
Subject: Re: US Championship Player was forfeited when his cellular phone rang at the board.
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"Doctor SBD" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >but
> >this is the first time this has happened at a grandmaster level
> >tournament that I am aware of.
>
> Then you remain, as always, extremely unaware of recent events in the
chess
> world, especially for a so-called chess journalist.
>
> Do a quick Google search and you will find where this happened to a much
more
> well-known player some months back.
Do you mean Ponoiov`s case at the European Team Champs in Bulgaria ? Here
is the game :
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1272464
Have fun ;-)
Regards,
Jerzy
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