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Date: 07 Nov 2006 00:02:43
From: Sanny
Subject: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
with 99% of the Problems Solved.

Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

It saves its King from Opponents Attack, It also preventing its pieces
from being Killed.

Play a game and tell me your Opinion about Latest Improvements.

Tell me three things.

1. What improvements you have found in this game?

2. Is it playing Stronger than Earlier

3. Is it making its move in Time.

Show me the Recorded game , But sure start with Beginner Level and
slowly advance to stronger Levels.

Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Beginner Level : 10-20 seconds
Easy Level : 20-40 seconds
Normal Level : 1-2 minutes

With every improvement the game is becomming Tougher than ever.

Still finding any Problem tell me its weaknesses by showing the
Recorded Game. Note I can only understand Recorded Game and you need to
tell Why that move was a mistake.

Play a new Game as Now the GetClub Game Plays very nice moves.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:59:32
From: Sanny
Subject: Game Speed increased !!!

> > Now it analyse it's move in great detail before making it.
>
> And has failed to make its moves in 10-20 seconds per move on beginner

Little work done to speedup the Game.

Play a game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Most moves of bginner level are made in 20 seconds. only for a few
moves it searches till 1 minute.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 08 Nov 2006 23:28:45
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Can you Win now?

> > After so much improvement in the game the question I get is Can you win
> > Now?
>
> I'm quite sure I can.
>

Ok, Start a game: : http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Play a game with Beginner/Easy Level and Show the recorded game that
you are going to win.

Earlier Richardby used to win all games. Now he is being Beaten Easily
Same will happen to other players also. Now, all the players will find
tough challenge. As the game is playing like a thunder bird.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 08 Nov 2006 21:27:23
From: Sanny
Subject: Can you Win now?
After so much improvement in the game the question I get is Can you win
Now?

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Now it analyse it's move in great detail before making it. It will be
now harder to beat it without good calculations.

What do you feel about it.

Beginner: 10-20 seconds
Easy 30-60 seconds
Normal 1-2 minutes.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date: 10 Nov 2006 00:40:00
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Can you Win now?
Sanny wrote:
> After so much improvement in the game the question I get is Can you win
> Now?

Yes, easily http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM4945&game=Chess

> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Now it analyse it's move in great detail before making it.

And has failed to make its moves in 10-20 seconds per move on beginner
(make that 1-2 minutes with peaks over 15 minutes on a really, really
fast computer). Really, it doesn't help when the program thinks about
the move for a long time, a lot of extra time does not gain much in
terms of search depth (time for an extra move of search depth goes up
exponentially).

Improvements to the positional evaluation algorithm would be much more
beneficial.

Björn

Moreover, I advise that your program should follow the rules of chess.


  
Date: 09 Nov 2006 07:04:12
From: Ron
Subject: Re: Can you Win now?
In article <[email protected] >,
"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote:

> After so much improvement in the game the question I get is Can you win
> Now?

I'm quite sure I can.

Your claims of substantial improvement are not born out by your track
record.


 
Date: 09 Nov 2006 01:44:02
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
Sanny wrote:
> Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> with 99% of the Problems Solved.


I thought you said development was stopping due to a lack of funds. I
doubt anyone has paid to play, when they can play for $0.00 elsewhere,


--
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It is always of the form: [email protected]
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Date: 08 Nov 2006 08:39:17
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
Sanny wrote:

... >
> Play a game and tell me your Opinion about Latest Improvements.
>
> Tell me three things.
>
> 1. What improvements you have found in this game?

none

>
> 2. Is it playing Stronger than Earlier

no

>
> 3. Is it making its move in Time.

no


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Date: 07 Nov 2006 22:41:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Little Tactic has been added to the Game
> 1.tactics
>
> 2.tactics
>
> and most important,

A bit of Tactic has been added to the game, now it will look at moves
in more detail.

Play a Game at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Play new games to see if they play well.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 22:01:02
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> > 3. Is it making its move in Time.
>
> After waiting between 2 and 3 *hours* for move 5 on normal level
> this afternoon, I gave up when more than an hour passed waiting for
> move 6.


When the program seems to be making no real progress
on its next move, try closing your browser and logging back
on again, starting where you left off. Next, try a reboot of
Windows. If that fails, erase your hard drive and install a
new operating system. Next, throw your computer away
and get a new one, preferably with Vista as the operating
system. If that doesn't work, just give up chess altogether
and get a real life.

-- help bot



  
Date: 08 Nov 2006 11:40:48
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
On 2006-11-08, help bot wrote:
>
> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
>> > 3. Is it making its move in Time.
>>
>> After waiting between 2 and 3 *hours* for move 5 on normal level
>> this afternoon, I gave up when more than an hour passed waiting for
>> move 6.
>
> When the program seems to be making no real progress
> on its next move, try closing your browser and logging back
> on again, starting where you left off.

Close my browser? Is the program that badly written?

> Next, try a reboot of Windows.

What's Windows?

> If that fails, erase your hard drive and install a new operating
> system.

I do that from time to time.

> Next, throw your computer away and get a new one, preferably with
> Vista as the operating system.

<http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009704.gif >

> If that doesn't work, just give up chess altogether and get a real
> life.

Heretic!

--
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===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)


 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 21:00:15
From: Chris F.A. Johnson
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
On 2006-11-07, Sanny wrote:
> Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> with 99% of the Problems Solved.
>
> Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> It saves its King from Opponents Attack, It also preventing its pieces
> from being Killed.
>
> Play a game and tell me your Opinion about Latest Improvements.
>
> Tell me three things.
>
> 1. What improvements you have found in this game?
>
> 2. Is it playing Stronger than Earlier
>
> 3. Is it making its move in Time.

After waiting between 2 and 3 *hours* for move 5 on normal level
this afternoon, I gave up when more than an hour passed waiting for
move 6.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org >
===================================================================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)


 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 12:09:02
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?

[email protected] wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> > with 99% of the Problems Solved.
> >
> > Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
> > It saves its King from Opponents Attack, It also preventing its pieces
> > from being Killed.
> >
> > Play a game and tell me your Opinion about Latest Improvements.
> >
> > Tell me three things.
> >
> > 1. What improvements you have found in this game?
> >
> > 2. Is it playing Stronger than Earlier
> >
> > 3. Is it making its move in Time.
> >
> > Show me the Recorded game , But sure start with Beginner Level and
> > slowly advance to stronger Levels.
> >
> > Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
> > Beginner Level : 10-20 seconds
> > Easy Level : 20-40 seconds
> > Normal Level : 1-2 minutes
> >
> > With every improvement the game is becomming Tougher than ever.
> >
> > Still finding any Problem tell me its weaknesses by showing the
> > Recorded Game. Note I can only understand Recorded Game and you need to
> > tell Why that move was a mistake.
> >
> > Play a new Game as Now the GetClub Game Plays very nice moves.
> >
> > Bye
> > Sanny
> >
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Yeah, but that 1% is killing you Sanny...
>
> http://chess-training.blogspot.com


Zed is much more entertaining, and according to Taylor Kingston, a
stronger opponent:
http://tinyurl.com/s8ws3



 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 06:00:26
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?

Sanny wrote:
> Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> with 99% of the Problems Solved.
>
> Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> It saves its King from Opponents Attack, It also preventing its pieces
> from being Killed.
>
> Play a game and tell me your Opinion about Latest Improvements.
>
> Tell me three things.
>
> 1. What improvements you have found in this game?
>
> 2. Is it playing Stronger than Earlier
>
> 3. Is it making its move in Time.
>
> Show me the Recorded game , But sure start with Beginner Level and
> slowly advance to stronger Levels.
>
> Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> Beginner Level : 10-20 seconds
> Easy Level : 20-40 seconds
> Normal Level : 1-2 minutes
>
> With every improvement the game is becomming Tougher than ever.
>
> Still finding any Problem tell me its weaknesses by showing the
> Recorded Game. Note I can only understand Recorded Game and you need to
> tell Why that move was a mistake.
>
> Play a new Game as Now the GetClub Game Plays very nice moves.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Yeah, but that 1% is killing you Sanny...

http://chess-training.blogspot.com



 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 02:15:38
From: Sanny
Subject: Both Bugs have been Removed.
> BUG #1: Illegal moves are allowed while the King is in check by an
> opponent's piece.

Now on you cannot play any illegal move where your King goes into
CHECK.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> BUG #2: Opponent is allowed to capture the king to win the game.

This Bug was removed 2 months Back only.

Steps to reproduce both bugs:
> 1. Start a new game at the Beginner (free) level, and play as White.
> 2. Play the following moves listed below:
>
> 1. f3 (black plays e5)
> 2. Kf2 (black plays Nc6)
> 3. Ke3 (black plays Bc5)
> 4. Kd4 (black wins and the board resets for a new game): note that the white
> king illegally moved into double-check while already in check, and black

Now you can nomore play K-d4 or any Illegal move.

> Bug #1 is a high severity/must-fix defect because only three possible moves
> are allowed when the King is in check:

It has been Fixed. Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> Bug #2 is high severity/must-fix defect because the King is not a capturable
> piece in standard Chess--the King must be checkmated in order for the
> opponent to win, and checkmate means that the King is in check and cannot
> escape check.

Already Fixed 2 months Back.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 01:13:20
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?

Sanny wrote:

> Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> with 99% of the Problems Solved.
>
> Games at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> It saves its King from Opponents Attack, It also preventing its pieces
> from being Killed.


Easy level, November 7, 2006:

GetClub vs. nomorechess

1.Nf3 c5
2.d4 cd
3.Qxd4 Nf6
4.Bf4 d6 (threatens immediate win of a piece by a pawn fork)
5.Nc3 e5 (game over: White hangs a piece and loses)

The display shows the computer looking at least 8 plys
deep (probably a couple more, but I switch to another tab
to read while it "thinks"), yet it cannot see simple forks
which will decide the game on the spot. In my opinion,
there are just three things your program needs to learn
before it can begin playing decent chess:

1.tactics

2.tactics

and most important,

3.tactics

(apart from learning the actual rules regarding draws
and checkmate, that is).

-- help bot



 
Date: 07 Nov 2006 00:51:12
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
Subject: Re: Whats your Opinion about GetClub Game.?
"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Now the GetClub Game has reached new heights. As it has been improved
> with 99% of the Problems Solved.
>
[...]

> Still finding any Problem tell me its weaknesses by showing the
> Recorded Game. Note I can only understand Recorded Game and you need to
> tell Why that move was a mistake.
>
The following bugs still exist in the chess game.

BUG #1: Illegal moves are allowed while the King is in check by an
opponent's piece.

BUG #2: Opponent is allowed to capture the king to win the game.

Steps to reproduce both bugs:
1. Start a new game at the Beginner (free) level, and play as White.
2. Play the following moves listed below:

1. f3 (black plays e5)
2. Kf2 (black plays Nc6)
3. Ke3 (black plays Bc5)
4. Kd4 (black wins and the board resets for a new game): note that the white
king illegally moved into double-check while already in check, and black
illegally captured the white king following whites illegal move.

Bug #1 is a high severity/must-fix defect because only three possible moves
are allowed when the King is in check:

1. The King must move to another square to escape from check. (The program
needs to check to make sure this move is also not moving into check.) Or,
2. The checking piece must be captured. (The program needs to check to make
sure that no other occurrences of check exist before allowing the capture of
the checking piece, and that moving a piece to capture the checking piece
does not allow another piece to check the king.)
3. Another piece must interpose between the checking piece and the king that
is in check. (The program needs to check to make sure that no other
instances of check exist before allowing the piece to interpose, and also
needs to check to make sure that moving the piece to interpose does not also
allow another piece to check the king.)

Bug #2 is high severity/must-fix defect because the King is not a capturable
piece in standard Chess--the King must be checkmated in order for the
opponent to win, and checkmate means that the King is in check and cannot
escape check.

Otherwise, if the bugs continue to exist, the chess game is not playing
legal chess.