Now Beginner Level, plays very tough.

Date: 19 Dec 2006 06:05:06
From: Sanny
Subject: Now Beginner Level, plays very tough.

Now on even Beginner Level will give tough competition. So make sure
you play well else you are going to loose.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 26 Dec 2006 08:57:41
From: Rob
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

[email protected] wrote:
> help bot wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > > > What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?
> >
> > Here is an excellent example of how a *nitwit* can confuse
> > himself over nothing. Those who have actual knowledge of
> > the subject referred to above can tell you that Sanny's
> > program does in fact record serious games; it is only
> > those games where the player himself chooses not to play
> > "rated" which are not recorded. In other words, it is the
> > player and not the program which decides whether or not
> > his current game will be recorded. Simple. (But not to an
> > arrogant dimwit like "kgravitygood".)
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > Now, the real problem with Sanny's game recordings is
> > twofold:
> >
> > 1) The final moves are not recorded, for the program "resigns"
> > or cuts off the finish when it loses (which it normally does).
> >
> > 2) Draws are not recorded as they end up being "cancelled"
> > on account of the program not having a clue as to what a
> > draw is, or how to score one. This means that no mediocre
> > player's game record is complete, for eventually, the program
> > will score a draw.
> >
> > These are real problems, not merely rantings of some
> > clueless ignoramus who butts in to toss out some nasty
> > insults, only to embarrass himself in the process.
> >
> > -- help bot

> And here we have a great example of a bigger *nitwit* wasting his time
> debugging garbage software as if he is some QA guru.
>
> Microsoft is hiring, I'm sure.

Are you going to enter the RGC tournament?

Date: 26 Dec 2006 06:18:51
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: More Sanny Spam

help bot wrote:
> Dave (from the UK) wrote:
> > Chess One wrote:
> > > move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
> > > at '10 seconds move'
> > > move 9 it took 32 secs
> > > move 10 it took 40 seconds
> > > move 11 it took 110 seconds,
> > > hung a piece and I hung up
> > >
> > > phil
> >
> > Why bother with it ?
>
> Well, until IM Innes stops hanging his pieces like this,
> he desperately needs the practice.

I agree. I understand that Nearly an IM 2450 Innes had a problem with
hanging pieces when he played in Vermont chess clubs.

Date: 23 Dec 2006 11:29:25
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

help bot wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?
>
> Here is an excellent example of how a *nitwit* can confuse
> himself over nothing. Those who have actual knowledge of
> the subject referred to above can tell you that Sanny's
> program does in fact record serious games; it is only
> those games where the player himself chooses not to play
> "rated" which are not recorded. In other words, it is the
> player and not the program which decides whether or not
> his current game will be recorded. Simple. (But not to an
> arrogant dimwit like "kgravitygood".)
>
> ---------
>
> Now, the real problem with Sanny's game recordings is
> twofold:
>
> 1) The final moves are not recorded, for the program "resigns"
> or cuts off the finish when it loses (which it normally does).
>
> 2) Draws are not recorded as they end up being "cancelled"
> on account of the program not having a clue as to what a
> draw is, or how to score one. This means that no mediocre
> player's game record is complete, for eventually, the program
> will score a draw.
>
> These are real problems, not merely rantings of some
> clueless ignoramus who butts in to toss out some nasty
> insults, only to embarrass himself in the process.
>
> -- help bot

And here we have a great example of a bigger *nitwit* wasting his time
debugging garbage software as if he is some QA guru.

Microsoft is hiring, I'm sure.

Date: 23 Dec 2006 04:10:28
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

[email protected] wrote:

> > > What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?

Here is an excellent example of how a *nitwit* can confuse
himself over nothing. Those who have actual knowledge of
the subject referred to above can tell you that Sanny's
program does in fact record serious games; it is only
those games where the player himself chooses not to play
"rated" which are not recorded. In other words, it is the
player and not the program which decides whether or not
his current game will be recorded. Simple. (But not to an
arrogant dimwit like "kgravitygood".)

---------

Now, the real problem with Sanny's game recordings is
twofold:

1) The final moves are not recorded, for the program "resigns"
or cuts off the finish when it loses (which it normally does).

2) Draws are not recorded as they end up being "cancelled"
on account of the program not having a clue as to what a
draw is, or how to score one. This means that no mediocre
player's game record is complete, for eventually, the program
will score a draw.

These are real problems, not merely rantings of some
clueless ignoramus who butts in to toss out some nasty
insults, only to embarrass himself in the process.

-- help bot

Date: 23 Dec 2006 03:52:37
From: help bot
Subject: Re: More Sanny Spam

Dave (from the UK) wrote:
> Chess One wrote:
> > move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
> > at '10 seconds move'
> > move 9 it took 32 secs
> > move 10 it took 40 seconds
> > move 11 it took 110 seconds,
> > hung a piece and I hung up
> >
> > phil
>
> Why bother with it ?

Well, until IM Innes stops hanging his pieces like this,
he desperately needs the practice. My advice? Don't
ever "hang up" against Sanny's program. Instead, fight
on to the bitter end, as this is good practice too (and
you never know when the program will have a brain-fart).

-- help bot, the world's highest-rated player on GetClub

Date: 21 Dec 2006 06:30:05
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: What moves were Played?

Kenneth Sloan wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> > Chess One wrote:
> >> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
> >> at '10 seconds move'
> >> move 9 it took 32 secs
> >> move 10 it took 40 seconds
> >> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
> >> hung a piece and I hung up
> >>
> >> phil
> >>
> >
> > Could you tell exactly what moves were made as I do not think it will
> > hung a piece so easily that too in just 11 moves. As it looks each move
> > in great detail before making it.
> >
> > One should play recorded games as then you need not rememer the
> > sequence of moves and I can see what mistake the GetClub.com Program is
> > making.
> >
> > Bye
> > Sanny
> >
> > Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> >
>
> You assume that Phil wants to be helpful.
>
> Another bad decision in a long string of bad decisions (not even Vonage
> can help you now).
>
> But, as long as we are talking about "you should"s. You should fix your
> program to actually move in the advertised time. Perhaps then people
> like Phil will take the program seriously enough to actually record the
> games.
>
> If what you really want is help debugging your program, I'm afraid
> you'll first have to pay the going rate for professional consultants. I
> understand that Phil is an acknowledged expert in computer science,
> philosophy, computer chess, artificial intelligence, and the Andean
> Language as spoken today in the Celtic community. That kind of
> expertise does not come cheaply.

Bruseski!

Date: 21 Dec 2006 06:13:43
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

Sanny wrote:
> >
> > What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?
> >
>
>
> Have you ever played Chess at GetClub.com that you find it bad.
>
> If you have played at GetClub Chess, Could you write any 3 problems in
> the game which made you feel it is playing bad.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

1) My DOG is 27-1 against it.
2) My CAT is 30-0 against it, proving cats are ster than dogs, but
not necessarily more friendly.
3) My GERBIL is 33-0 against it, proving that my GERBIL can outwit your
program, my CAT, and my DOG and still have enough left to get the
shopping done and be home in time for 'Friends'.

Anything else, Spammin' Sanny?

Naturally, you did not answer my original question of "What kind of
shit program doesn't record the game automatically?"

Want to take a crack at that one?

Or do you simply want to post a nominal reply to advertise your crap
program again?

Date: 20 Dec 2006 22:08:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

>
> What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?
>

Have you ever played Chess at GetClub.com that you find it bad.

If you have played at GetClub Chess, Could you write any 3 problems in
the game which made you feel it is playing bad.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 22 Dec 2006 17:52:54
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

Sanny wrote:
>> What kind of shit program doesn't record the game automatically?
>>
>
>
> Have you ever played Chess at GetClub.com that you find it bad.
>
> If you have played at GetClub Chess, Could you write any 3 problems in
> the game which made you feel it is playing bad.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>

1) it does not observe the advertised speed of play.

this program is essentially USELESS until and unless you add a proper
chess clock to time the moves made by both players, and to forfeit
either player if they overstep the time bounds.

2) see 1)

3) see 1)

d) in a recent game, the program refused to promote my pawns. When I
tried to move them from (say) a7 to a8, it reported "You moved: ---a7"
and REMOVED the pawn from the board. It asked me what piece to promote
to, but did NOT place the new piece on the board.

e) the program now appears to stop it's own clock (the "time" value
stops incrementing), but then take up to 30 seconds to display its move.

F) the Princeton Band.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 20 Dec 2006 13:24:13
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spam moves were Played?

Date: 20 Dec 2006 01:09:28
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Spam Spam Spam Spam

shutup

Date: 20 Dec 2006 01:05:21
From: diegoami
Subject: Spam Spam Spam Spam

Spam

Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:20:33
From: Sanny
Subject: What moves were Played?

Chess One wrote:
> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
> at '10 seconds move'
> move 9 it took 32 secs
> move 10 it took 40 seconds
> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
> hung a piece and I hung up
>
> phil
>

Could you tell exactly what moves were made as I do not think it will
hung a piece so easily that too in just 11 moves. As it looks each move
in great detail before making it.

One should play recorded games as then you need not rememer the
sequence of moves and I can see what mistake the GetClub.com Program is
making.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 20 Dec 2006 18:25:54
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: What moves were Played?

Sanny wrote:
> Chess One wrote:
>> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
>> at '10 seconds move'
>> move 9 it took 32 secs
>> move 10 it took 40 seconds
>> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
>> hung a piece and I hung up
>>
>> phil
>>
>
> Could you tell exactly what moves were made as I do not think it will
> hung a piece so easily that too in just 11 moves. As it looks each move
> in great detail before making it.
>
> One should play recorded games as then you need not rememer the
> sequence of moves and I can see what mistake the GetClub.com Program is
> making.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>

You assume that Phil wants to be helpful.

Another bad decision in a long string of bad decisions (not even Vonage
can help you now).

But, as long as we are talking about "you should"s. You should fix your
program to actually move in the advertised time. Perhaps then people
like Phil will take the program seriously enough to actually record the
games.

If what you really want is help debugging your program, I'm afraid
you'll first have to pay the going rate for professional consultants. I
understand that Phil is an acknowledged expert in computer science,
philosophy, computer chess, artificial intelligence, and the Andean
Language as spoken today in the Celtic community. That kind of
expertise does not come cheaply.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 21 Dec 2006 13:02:39
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: What moves were Played?

"Kenneth Sloan" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sanny wrote:
>> Chess One wrote:
>>> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
>>> at '10 seconds move'
>>> move 9 it took 32 secs
>>> move 10 it took 40 seconds
>>> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
>>> hung a piece and I hung up
>>>
>>> phil
>>>
>>
>> Could you tell exactly what moves were made as I do not think it will
>> hung a piece so easily that too in just 11 moves. As it looks each move
>> in great detail before making it.
>>
>> One should play recorded games as then you need not rememer the
>> sequence of moves and I can see what mistake the GetClub.com Program is
>> making.
>>
>> Bye
>> Sanny
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>>
>
> You assume that Phil wants to be helpful.
>
> Another bad decision in a long string of bad decisions (not even Vonage
> can help you now).
>
> But, as long as we are talking about "you should"s. You should fix your
> program to actually move in the advertised time. Perhaps then people like
> Phil will take the program seriously enough to actually record the games.

YURPEEN SEXPLAYN

I don't usually record even 10 second moves - and never 3-second moves. But
perhaps people who like to speculate on what I would take seriously, should
actually try to do so - and review the problem for themselves - this means
they would actually have to play chess, not imagine how it is. I have made
some comments below on this New Idea, and kicked off with Galileo, and the
problems /he/ had!

> If what you really want is help debugging your program, I'm afraid you'll
> first have to pay the going rate for professional consultants. I
> understand that Phil is an acknowledged expert in computer science,
> philosophy, computer chess, artificial intelligence, and the Andean
> Language as spoken today in the Celtic community. That kind of expertise
> does not come cheaply.

NEW SIGH UNCE, SPLAINED

Unlike the advice above, which is unlikely to even come from a chessplayer!
Of course Ken Sloan maybe plays 3-second chess on-line and writes the moves
too@! And this is why he feels that his own wisdom on playing chess, plus
the several subjects above, is worth suggesting in a public newsgroup.

What is quite interesting here, is that if true statements are recorded,
such as these time-increments of Sanny's engine, and these are not even
disputed, and in fact verified by other people as commonplace, then
/another/ topic is introduced as criticism, as if to say, a refutation of
scientific method, and because the subject matter had to do with chess
computing, people associated with chess programming feel some obligation to
become publicly irrational, and demonstrate that they have no experience of
what they are talking about - only some idea of it as known to themselves,
and only in /their/ terms.

HE LOOKED, WAS CONQUERED

Its as though they would refute testable facts with their own suggested
hypothosies, much as the Pope laid on Galileo, his idea of actually
/looking/ at things was objectionable! on principle! since if looking
contradicted dogma, then where would you be? You would definitely have to
eliminate what was looked at, in order to preserve the Idea of what was
looked at, or rather suggested that others' had looked at, and you should
keep your nose out of. When this Pope offered to off Galileo, Gallileo took
off, but...

MORE YURP HISTREE:

While Ken Sloan is not 'up' on Yurp'n history, and for all I know, have
never heard of the place, there was an increasing dissasatisfaction by other
people with this metaphysical approach to knowledge, and after a few other
blokes who suggested looking at things, and talking /just about/ what was
looked at, [and were also sacrificed for it], curiosity became aroused why
they were doing it in the first place, because looking is so bloody
dangerous, init?, though other blokes like Franky Bacon in England and some
really strange German and Dutch fellas, looked anyway and established the
basis for modern science, and what was once called natural history, which we
now call physics.

FOLKSY GUESSIN' GAMES

In this case what Ken Sloan imagines its like to play bullet-chess. Having
convincingly demonstrated that he has no experience at all, since writing
and moving in 3 sec is almost impossible [??], he then proceeds to imagine
he even understands other subjects, and volunteers his opinions of them from
this basis!

In some place this is called 'computer science', and its practictioners get
out the bones [not Napier's!] and throw 'em in the air, to get an idea of
which directions to explore next. This is in fact a quite exciting
development to those of us interested in anthropology, and although tribes
of such people have been heard of in Yurp, they were always thought
apocryphal, and had died out for lack of Nike footwear sometime in the last
century

AMAY ZING DISKUVRY

- but here apparently we have an original cargo-cult called

What's in the Box, Billy-Bob?

celebrated by folk-Scientists at a 'reserve' created for them, and where
they can share their interesting and colourful views with impressionable
young people.

How wonderful to read such a cheery story at Christmas time!

Phil Innes

> --
> Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
> Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
> University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
> Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

Date: 21 Dec 2006 15:38:24
From: Jerzy
Subject: Re: What moves were Played?

U�ytkownik "Chess One" <[email protected] > napisa� w wiadomo�ci
news:PBvih.8929$386.2482@trndny01...

> Unlike the advice above, which is unlikely to even come from a
> chessplayer! Of course Ken Sloan maybe plays 3-second chess on-line and
> writes the moves too@! And this is why he feels that his own wisdom on
> playing chess, plus the several subjects above, is worth suggesting in a
> public newsgroup.

Right Phil, he is blowing his tube but he is not playing chess. Look at his
photos :

http://www.cis.uab.edu/sloan/

:-)

Date: 20 Dec 2006 20:45:20
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: What moves were Played?

"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Chess One wrote:
>> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
>> at '10 seconds move'
>> move 9 it took 32 secs
>> move 10 it took 40 seconds
>> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
>> hung a piece and I hung up
>>
>> phil
>>
>
> Could you tell exactly what moves were made as I do not think it will
> hung a piece so easily that too in just 11 moves. As it looks each move
> in great detail before making it.

There is no means to copy moves from your engine, and it doesn't even show
them. I made moves at 3 second intervals and did not think to record the
moves since that's unusual at these speeds!

But that is not exactly the point, which is that '10 second' chess is a
nonsense when the game shows increasing increments in time per move which
were almost 2 minutes at move 11.

The difference between what you say your engine does, and what it actually
does, seems to escape you. Is there any point in challenging the moves, when
the comment above has to do with the time of the moves? Is that a clever
diversion?

Your engine lost far before move 7. Which is only when I started to count.
Since 10-secs move mean move in 10 seconds or you're out!

It this were an advertisement for business consulting services, doesn't it
have the opposite effect on prospects, that everything that might attract a
prospect by means of this demonstatration is shown to be false advertising?

Phil Innes

> One should play recorded games as then you need not rememer the
> sequence of moves and I can see what mistake the GetClub.com Program is
> making.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>

Date: 19 Dec 2006 11:44:56
From: [email protected]
Subject: More Sanny Spam

Sanny wrote:
> Now on even Beginner Level will give tough competition. So make sure
> you play well else you are going to loose.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:21:13
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: More Sanny Spam

move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
at '10 seconds move'
move 9 it took 32 secs
move 10 it took 40 seconds
move 11 it took 110 seconds,
hung a piece and I hung up

phil

<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Sanny wrote:
>> Now on even Beginner Level will give tough competition. So make sure
>> you play well else you are going to loose.
>>
>> Bye
>> Sanny
>>
>> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>

Date: 20 Dec 2006 00:20:59
From: Dave (from the UK)
Subject: Re: More Sanny Spam

Chess One wrote:
> move 7 the prog took 40 seconds
> at '10 seconds move'
> move 9 it took 32 secs
> move 10 it took 40 seconds
> move 11 it took 110 seconds,
> hung a piece and I hung up
>
> phil

Why bother with it ?
--
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