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Date: 28 May 2007 03:01:49
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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This one seems to be saying it has 750,000+ games.
<http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Fritz-Grand-Master-Deluxe/dp/B000BTLYAU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9233362-9794222?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1180317578&sr=8-1 >
True?
Not all annotated, I wager....
Or with the other Special Features I want.
DSH
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From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 16:57:48
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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"tin Brown" <
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Date: 30 Jun 2007 21:35:20
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Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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There are lots!!!!
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 13:04:31
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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D. Spencer Hines <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now he trots out the Old European Condescending Patronizing
> Bafflegab.
Yes, obviously anyone who disagrees with you must be disagreeing
because you're American and he's European.
> He pontificates in Gross Ignorance, of course -- having not a
> scintilla of knowledge about my chess abilities.
You didn't know what an Elo rating is, you didn't know about basic
computer chess software. It sounds like you're a beginner.
>> Also try out the free version of ChessBase light before you part
>> with big money for the full version. I think you would be wasting
>> your money buying the full monty at this stage.
>
> More Patronizing Twaddle & Codswallop. I've previously indicated
> that funding is not a problem.
Yes, you've indicated that funding isn't a problem. But there are
still probably much better things you can spend your $300 on. If
you're determined to buy ChessBase, why don't you just go ahead and
buy it? If you actually want advice, why don't you listen to what
people advise?
>> Subscribing to your national chess magazine might also be a very
>> good idea, although if it anything like the USCF traffic in these
>> groups it may well be full of dubious allegations and libellous
>> reks rather than annotated chess games. The UK Chess magazine
>> comes highly recommended and they do international subscriptions.
>
> Rule Britannia! Hilarious!
How, exactly, is saying that there is a good chess magazine in the UK
a hilarious example of jingoism?
Dave.
--
David Richerby Psychotic Permanent Newspaper (TM):
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a daily broadsheet but
it'll be there for ever and it wants
to kill you!
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:28:44
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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"David Richerby" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:Vfo*[email protected]...
> It sounds like you're a beginner.
Amusing. I was probably playing chess before you were born.
> Yes, you've indicated that funding isn't a problem. But there are
> still probably much better things you can spend your $300 on. If
> you're determined to buy ChessBase, why don't you just go ahead and
> buy it? If you actually want advice, why don't you listen to what
> people advise?
Too bad if you can't afford it. Go cry in your beer at your local pub of
choice.
>>> Subscribing to your national chess magazine might also be a very
>>> good idea, although if it anything like the USCF traffic in these
>>> groups it may well be full of dubious allegations and libellous
>>> reks rather than annotated chess games. The UK Chess magazine
>>> comes highly recommended and they do international subscriptions.
"The American "national chess magazine" is dodgy, but the Brit one is much
better."
Hilarious!
Colonel Blimp Brit Pride on display.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Britannicus Traductus Sum
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:02:08
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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D. Spencer Hines <[email protected] > wrote:
> "David Richerby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> It sounds like you're a beginner.
>
> Amusing. I was probably playing chess before you were born.
So what? I was playing chess before Magnus Carlsen was born but I'm a
patzer and he's a Grandmaster.
Dave.
--
David Richerby Disposable Hungry Laser (TM): it's
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ like an intense beam of light but
it'll eat you and you never have to
clean it!
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 05:39:49
From: Ralf Callenberg
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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04.06.2007 21:28, D. Spencer Hines:
> "David Richerby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Vfo*[email protected]...
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>> It sounds like you're a beginner.
>
> Amusing. I was probably playing chess before you were born.
"Beginner" also means the level of play. So you can stay a "beginner"
for decades without contradiction. It is a matter of experience, that
decent level of play will only be reached by tournament players or
players playing with tournament players on a regular level. In both
cases you should have stumbled over the notion of Elo ratings - except
of course you learned your lessons 40 years ago and stopped in between,
including reading chess publications.
> Too bad if you can't afford it.
Well, if you are eager to spend several hundred dollars on the Chessbase
flag ship - go for it. At the end - it's a German company, so I at
least wouldn't mind. But what the others are hinting at: Chessbase (the
product, not the company) is aimed at very serious tournament players -
if you want to prepare for opponents, work out a new opening repertoire
and such things. For just having a bunch of games and playing through
them it's overkill.
Chessbase (the company, not the product) has spent at least considerable
keting budget to point out their fabulous graphics for the chess
programs (Their graphical user interface is usually the same for all
current engines, where Fritz sets the pace, i.e. with each new version
of Fritz there comes a new version of the GUI which is then used by all
following new engines presented, as Shredder, Junior). So if you buy
Fritz 10 you get some nearly photo realistic 3D pieces, where you can
move the virtual camera through over the board or play on different
settings - something like that:
http://www.chesshouse.com/images/fritz_26.jpg
If the content is more important, there is - as you may have guessed in
the meantime, no single product. The usual engines come with a few
hundred thousand games, some of them scarcely annotated. You should make
up your mind more precisely what you are expecting, then also more
precise answers may come as responses here.
Greetings,
Ralf
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 04:57:16
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Twaddle Snipped.
DSH
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"Ralf Callenberg" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 04.06.2007 21:28, D. Spencer Hines:
>> Too bad if you can't afford it.
>
> Well, if you are eager to spend several hundred dollars on the Chessbase
> flag ship - go for it. At the end - it's a German company, so I at least
> wouldn't mind. But what the others are hinting at: Chessbase (the product,
> not the company) is aimed at very serious tournament players - if you want
> to prepare for opponents, work out a new opening repertoire and such
> things. For just having a bunch of games and playing through them it's
> overkill.
I'll be the judge of thet.
> Chessbase (the company, not the product) has spent at least considerable
> keting budget to point out their fabulous graphics for the chess
> programs (Their graphical user interface is usually the same for all
> current engines, where Fritz sets the pace, i.e. with each new version of
> Fritz there comes a new version of the GUI which is then used by all
> following new engines presented, as Shredder, Junior). So if you buy Fritz
> 10 you get some nearly photo realistic 3D pieces, where you can move the
> virtual camera through over the board or play on different settings -
> something like that:
Excellent!
> http://www.chesshouse.com/images/fritz_26.jpg
> Greetings,
> Ralf
Aloha,
DSH
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:29:36
From: Inconnux
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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>> Yes, you've indicated that funding isn't a problem. But there are
>> still probably much better things you can spend your $300 on. If
>> you're determined to buy ChessBase, why don't you just go ahead and
>> buy it? If you actually want advice, why don't you listen to what
>> people advise?
>
> Too bad if you can't afford it. Go cry in your beer at your local pub of
> choice.
But there are other packages, Chess Assistant comes to mind. Even
if money is not a problem, you might want to try the free demos
(ie lite versions) to see which one you prefer.
J.Lohner
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 21:53:28
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Fair Enough.
Thanks for the advice.
Winboard 4.2.7 is a neat little program and it's freeware. <g >
DSH
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"Inconnux" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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>>> Yes, you've indicated that funding isn't a problem. But there are
>>> still probably much better things you can spend your $300 on. If
>>> you're determined to buy ChessBase, why don't you just go ahead and
>>> buy it? If you actually want advice, why don't you listen to what
>>> people advise?
>>
>> Too bad if you can't afford it. Go cry in your beer at your local pub of
>> choice.
>
> But there are other packages, Chess Assistant comes to mind. Even
> if money is not a problem, you might want to try the free demos
> (ie lite versions) to see which one you prefer.
>
> J.Lohner
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:57:16
From: cbseries
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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D. Spencer Hines Wrote:
> Winboard 4.2.7 is a neat little program and it's freeware. g
>
> DSH
> -----------------------
>
If you like Winboard 4.2.7 see - Winboard "X". An enhanced version o
Winboard 4.2.7.
http://www.ascotti.org/programming/chess/winboard_x.htm
Winboard "X" does not come with a help file but you can copy the hel
file for Winboard 4.2.7 to the directory that Winboard "X" is extracte
to, but of course the help file will be for 4.2.7. I still find the hel
file useful from time to time.
Having Fritz 8 I can use the Fritz piece fonts in Winboard "X", sweet.
I can offer no help with Winboard, I just mostly did searching on th
Internet to find answers to my initial questions.
Looking forward to the day Winboard 4.2.8 appears
--
cbseries
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 01:08:37
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Deeeeelightful!
Thanks for posting this.
I've ordered Fritz 8 and it's on the way.
DSH
"cbseries" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> D. Spencer Hines Wrote:
>> Winboard 4.2.7 is a neat little program and it's freeware. g
>>
>> DSH
>> -----------------------
>>
> If you like Winboard 4.2.7 see - Winboard "X". An enhanced version of
> Winboard 4.2.7.
>
> http://www.ascotti.org/programming/chess/winboard_x.htm
>
> Winboard "X" does not come with a help file but you can copy the help
> file for Winboard 4.2.7 to the directory that Winboard "X" is extracted
> to, but of course the help file will be for 4.2.7. I still find the help
> file useful from time to time.
>
> Having Fritz 8 I can use the Fritz piece fonts in Winboard "X", sweet.
>
> I can offer no help with Winboard, I just mostly did searching on the
> Internet to find answers to my initial questions.
>
> Looking forward to the day Winboard 4.2.8 appears.
>
> --
> cbseries
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Date: 30 May 2007 01:13:23
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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"tin Brown" <
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Date: 31 May 2007 13:51:58
From: Helene de Milbecq
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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U�ytkownik "D. Spencer Hines" <[email protected] > napisa� w
wiadomo�ci news:[email protected]...
[...]
> Funding is not a problem. What is it for ChessBase 9 Mega Pack, just
> $300,
> or so?
ChessBase 9 Mega Package costs 411.31 USD, without VAT.
> Do I also need:
>
> Deep Fritz: Grand Master Deluxe?
ChessBase 9 comes only with a very old engine, Fritz 5.32; so if you
want to do computer analysis with it, you'll need one of the top
engines, such as Rybka, Fritz 10, Shredder 10, etc. Some top engines are
free, e.g. Rybka demo, Toga and Spike.
> Or would that be redundant?
You don't need "Deep Fritz Grand Master Deluxe"; if I am not mistaken,
it is an old version of Fritz, released before Deep Fritz 10, and
weaker.
> Do I lose a LOT of capability if I'm not using dual processors?
You will lose a lot of capability if you use _only_ dual processors. To
improve in chess, you should use whatever is inside your skull.
[...]
Helene
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Date: 31 May 2007 18:30:29
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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"Helene de Milbecq" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> U�ytkownik "D. Spencer Hines" <[email protected]> napisa� w wiadomo�ci
> news:[email protected]...
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> [...]
>> Funding is not a problem. What is it for ChessBase 9 Mega Pack, just
>> $300, or so?
>
> ChessBase 9 Mega Package costs 411.31 USD, without VAT.
I can get it for $300.
>> Do I also need:
>>
>> Deep Fritz: Grand Master Deluxe?
>
> ChessBase 9 comes only with a very old engine, Fritz 5.32; so if you want
> to do computer analysis with it, you'll need one of the top engines, such
> as Rybka, Fritz 10, Shredder 10, etc. Some top engines are free, e.g.
> Rybka demo, Toga and Spike.
>
>> Or would that be redundant?
>
> You don't need "Deep Fritz Grand Master Deluxe"; if I am not mistaken, it
> is an old version of Fritz, released before Deep Fritz 10, and weaker.
>
>> Do I lose a LOT of capability if I'm not using dual processors?
>
> You will lose a lot of capability if you use _only_ dual processors. To
> improve in chess, you should use whatever is inside your skull.
>
> [...]
>
> Helene
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Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Date: 29 May 2007 17:00:56
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Thanks!
It looks as if I need this one:
ChessBase 9 Mega Pack -- with 3,500,000+ games from 1530 to 2006 -- 60,000
with some commentary.
Do I need this one as well, to get the 750,000+ games?
Deep Fritz: Grand Master Deluxe
DSH
"tin Brown" <
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Date: 29 May 2007 17:07:15
From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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> Although Fritz can annotate a GM level game pretty well at between
> 5-20s/move - adequate for players in the range of 1400-2000 ELO so
> unless you are into deeply anticomputer positional play or already the
> same strength as the engines it isn't really a major issue. The only
> problems occur in the relatively rare positions where engines cannot
> see the wood for the trees whereas a good human annotator usually can
> (perhaps aided by a computer). -- tin Brown
I don't understand some of the jargon here.
"5-20's/move"?
"1400-2000 ELO"? How does one determine the rating?
> relatively rare positions where engines cannot
> see the wood for the trees
Too many pieces on the board for the engine to unravel the variations and
develop tactics?
Can you please clarify?
DSH
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Date: 29 May 2007 13:41:07
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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tin Brown <
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Date: 28 May 2007 05:46:19
From: cmcanulty
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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Can we continue with a thread that gives the links to such discussed
and annotated games, I am only a 1250 player but like the games that
discuss every move, thank you
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Date: 29 May 2007 09:39:09
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Are There Better Chess Software Packages Than Chessmaster 10000?
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cmcanulty <[email protected] > wrote:
> Can we continue with a thread that gives the links to such discussed
> and annotated games, I am only a 1250 player but like the games that
> discuss every move, thank you
I'd recommend Chernev's books ``Logical Chess: Move by Move'' and then
``The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played'' (which is a little
more advanced and doesn't comment on every single move). They're
available very cheaply -- the latter, at least, from Dover.
Dave.
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