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Date: 16 May 2006 07:41:36
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Subject: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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No other chess program has gained as many world championship titles in
recent years as Shredder. Shredder 10 is even stronger than all
previous versions, showing a drastic increase of performance by approx.
80 Elo points.. Learn more:
http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder.htm
Bonus at ChessCentral!!
Buy Shredder 10 and get
ChessCentral's Sizzler CD FREE
(Includes Steve Lopez's Guide to Computer Chess!)
Deep/Shredder 10 for Download available now
http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder-download.htm
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Date: 18 May 2006 08:10:50
From: Jim Sant
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No other chess program has gained as many world championship titles in
> recent years as Shredder. Shredder 10 is even stronger than all
> previous versions, showing a drastic increase of performance by approx.
> 80 Elo points.. Learn more:
>
> http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder.htm
>
> Bonus at ChessCentral!!
> Buy Shredder 10 and get
> ChessCentral's Sizzler CD FREE
> (Includes Steve Lopez's Guide to Computer Chess!)
>
> Deep/Shredder 10 for Download available now
>
> http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder-download.htm
I think this is all good and well. A new even more powerful chess program,
but why is this important? I am not asking this question to be a wiseguy, I
am trying to learn about this subject.
I already have Fritz 8 and ChessMaster v10. Both of these programs can
destroy me at will on the medium settings much less the highest settings. I
assume these programs can methodically beat 99% of the players out there.
Am I wrong on this? Why do we need even stronger programs when the current
programs are already sooooooooooo proficient or so they seem to me.
Thanks,
Jim
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Date: 18 May 2006 07:52:58
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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Jim Sant <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I think this is all good and well. A new even more powerful chess program,
> but why is this important? I am not asking this question to be a wiseguy, I
> am trying to learn about this subject.
>
> I already have Fritz 8 and ChessMaster v10. Both of these programs can
> destroy me at will on the medium settings much less the highest settings. I
> assume these programs can methodically beat 99% of the players out there.
> Am I wrong on this? Why do we need even stronger programs when the current
> programs are already sooooooooooo proficient or so they seem to me.
>
For me ... it is all about analysis ... and Shredder is my favorite. If I
play a particularily tactical game, I let Fritz or Junior analyze it, but if I
play a positional or mostly closed game, I tend to let Shredder analyze it.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
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Date: 18 May 2006 16:02:17
From: HD
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Jim Sant <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I think this is all good and well. A new even more powerful chess program,
>> but why is this important? I am not asking this question to be a wiseguy, I
>> am trying to learn about this subject.
>>
>> I already have Fritz 8 and ChessMaster v10. Both of these programs can
>> destroy me at will on the medium settings much less the highest settings. I
>> assume these programs can methodically beat 99% of the players out there.
>> Am I wrong on this? Why do we need even stronger programs when the current
>> programs are already sooooooooooo proficient or so they seem to me.
>>
>
> For me ... it is all about analysis ... and Shredder is my favorite. If I
> play a particularily tactical game, I let Fritz or Junior analyze it, but if I
> play a positional or mostly closed game, I tend to let Shredder analyze it.
>
Exactly. The style of various engines and versions of engines can be
very different.
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Date: 18 May 2006 03:48:09
From: Yves Surmont
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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I'd love to believe the rating increase of 80 point, but when I look at
the rating difference between v7.04 and v9.0, I have my doubts that
this time Stephan MK has broken another barrier. Which is why I respect
the Hiarcs team a little more: they only release a new version when
it's really stronger, not just because a year has passed by since last
version...
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Date: 18 May 2006 15:59:31
From: HD
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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Yves Surmont wrote:
> I'd love to believe the rating increase of 80 point, but when I look at
> the rating difference between v7.04 and v9.0, I have my doubts that
> this time Stephan MK has broken another barrier. Which is why I respect
> the Hiarcs team a little more: they only release a new version when
> it's really stronger, not just because a year has passed by since last
> version...
>
Normally the release is in January or February.
Why should they state an improvement that would soon be contradicted if
it wasn't just about accurate?
The tests made by people since the release indicates that the estimate
of an 60-80 improvement is correct.
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Date: 18 May 2006 12:02:18
From: HD
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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[email protected] skrev:
> No other chess program has gained as many world championship titles in
> recent years as Shredder. Shredder 10 is even stronger than all
> previous versions, showing a drastic increase of performance by approx.
> 80 Elo points.. Learn more:
>
> http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder.htm
>
> Bonus at ChessCentral!!
> Buy Shredder 10 and get
> ChessCentral's Sizzler CD FREE
> (Includes Steve Lopez's Guide to Computer Chess!)
>
> Deep/Shredder 10 for Download available now
>
> http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder-download.htm
>
Or http://www.shredderchess.com/
Shredder 10 in UCI format, so it can be used under most GUI's.
Can be purchased and downloaded right away :)
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Date: 17 May 2006 15:09:29
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse
Subject: Re: Shredder 10 and Deep Shredder 10 on DVD Coming end of May
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[email protected] wrote:
> No other chess program has gained as many world championship titles in
> recent years as Shredder. Shredder 10 is even stronger than all
> previous versions, showing a drastic increase of performance by approx.
> 80 Elo points.. Learn more:
>
> http://www.chesscentral.com/software/shredder.htm
>
> Bonus at ChessCentral!!
> Buy Shredder 10 and get
> ChessCentral's Sizzler CD FREE
> (Includes Steve Lopez's Guide to Computer Chess!)
You get Steve Lopez's Guide to Computer Chess in EBook format only.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
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