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Date: 16 Oct 2008 10:32:34
From: Sanny
Subject: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
GetClub.

My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?

With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+

Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
reasions. So I am not getting any help from players on improving the
GetClub game further. I feel sad that such a good player is missing.

Strong players play a few games and let me know how you feel about the
Chess Game at GetClub.

Is there anyone who can beat the Easy Level and Normal Level?

Beginner: 15 sec/ move [for 90% players.]
Easy: 60 sec / move [for Tournament Players.]
Normal: 4 min / move [for Top rated Players.]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 19:48:33
From: sdchessTDL
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
Please check http://www.sedatchess.com/ratings.html When you get
your program playing 40 moves in 10 minutes. Then come back and tell
us how great it is.
Terry



 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 11:24:11
From:
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 18, 4:59=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Beginner: 2300+
> Easy: 2400+
>
> Playing one game prooves nothing. Atleast 3-4 games against a level
> are needed to get accurate rating.

Apparently you have forgotten the four games I have played between
Beginner and a 1300-rated Chessmaster personality named Lacey. The
results of those games show that Beginner is WORSE than Lacey, and so
your rating of 2300 is obviously a lie.

Beginner is rated around 1200.

I also played a couple of games with Easy (which took over an hour, so
I'm never going to do it again). These results gave me a rough
estimate of about 1800-1900 for Easy.

So, in other words, you either have absolutely no idea how weak your
engine is, or you're just lying.

Which is it?

jm


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 16:23:33
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
* Sanny <[email protected] > (13:59) schrieb:

> Beginner: 2300+
> Easy: 2400+
> Normal: 2500+

> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I found out that I had nothing better to do with my time than to let our
old Basicfun have a match with the 2300+ Beginner level. I spent some
time find a browser that actually works with your site and found IE6.

During my search i kept clicking �Play Free�, which always got me back
to the log in page (I'm Simon). In IE6 I finally found out that the
applet is supposed to open below the links.

Anyway I finally got it working. Here's the game:

[Date "2008.10.18"]
[White "BasicFun"]
[Black "Getclub Beginner"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[Opening "Trompowsky"]
[Time "15:09:34"]
[Variation "2...Ne4 3.Bh4 g5"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "143"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1.d4 {(d4 d6 Nf3 Nf6 Bg5 Bg4 Bxf6 exf6 e7 f6) +0.19/7 9} Nf6 2.Bg5 {(Bg5 Ne4 Nf3
Nxg5 Nxg5 e6 Ne4 Qg5) -0.12/7 26} Ne4 3.Bh4 {(Bh4 g5 f3 gxh4 fxe4 e6) -0.56/6 8} g5
4.Qd3 {(Qd3 gxh4 Qxe4 e6 Nf3 Bb4+ c3 Be7 Nxh4) -0.74/7 24} d5 5.f3 {(f3 gxh4 fxe4 e6
Nf3 Bb4+ Nbd2 Bc3) -0.56/6 5} Nc6 6.fxe4 {(fxe4 gxh4 exd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 Qxh7 Qxd4)
-0.27/6 7} gxh4 7.exd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qxd4

{The operator (that's me) made an error here, Basicfun didn't want to
play Nc3, but I made that move in Getclub.}

9.Nd5 {(Nd5 Qe5 Nf3 Qd6 Nxh4 Be6 Qxh7 Qxc7)
+0.02/6 12} Qxd3 10.cxd3 {(cxd3 Rb8 Nxc7+ Kd8 Nd5 e6 Nc3 Ke8) -0.03/7 9} Nd4 11.Nxc7+
{(Nxc7+ Kd8 Rc1 Rb8 e3 Bh6 Nd5 Bxe3) +0.86/6 8} Kd8 12.Nxa8 {(Nxa8 Nc2+ Kd2 Nxa1 Kc1 b5
Nf3 Bh6+ Kb1) +0.11/7 25} Nc2+ 13.Kd2 {(Kd2 Nxa1 Kc1 b5 Kb1 Bb7 Nc7 Kxc7 Kxa1)
+0.11/8 17} Nxa1 14.Kc1 {(Kc1 b5 Kb1 Bb7 Kxa1 Bxa8 Nh3 Bf3 exf3) +0.98/7 20} Be6 15.Kb1
{(Kb1 Nc2 Kxc2 Kc8 Nf3 Kb8 Kb1 Kxa8 Nxh4) +0.08/7 11} Bg7 16.Kxa1 {(Kxa1 Kd7 Nf3 Rxa8
Nxh4 Rd8 Rg1 Kc8) +0.09/8 16} Re8 17.Nf3 {(Nf3 Kd7 Nb6+ axb6 Nxh4 Ra8 a3 Kc8)
+0.27/7 13} Rh8 18.Ng5 {(Ng5 Kd7 Nxe6 fxe6 g3 Rxa8 gxh4) +1.06/7 6} h6 19.Nxe6+ {(Nxe6+
fxe6 g3 Kd7 Bg2 Rxa8 Bxb7 Rb8) +1.10/7 14} fxe6 20.e4 {(e4 Kd7 Nb6+ axb6 g3 Rf8 gxh4
Rf2 a4 Bxb2+) +3.43/8 11} Kd7 21.Nb6+ {(Nb6+ axb6 g3 Rf8 gxh4 Rf2 a4 Bxb2+ Kb1 Bd4
Kb2) +2.43/8 34} axb6 22.g3 {(g3 Rf8 gxh4 Rf2 a4 Bxb2+ Kb1 Bd4 Kb2) +1.72/7 3} hxg3
23.hxg3 {(hxg3 Rf8 Be2 Rf2 Re1 Be5 g4 Bg3) +0.85/7 3} Rf8 24.Be2 {(Be2 Ra8 Kb1 Ra4 b3
Rb4 g4 Rd4) +0.91/7 25} b5 25.d4 {(d4 Kc7 e5 Rd8 a4 bxa4 Bb5) +1.39/6 4} b4 26.e5
{(e5 Kc6 a4 Kd5 Rd1 Rf5 exf6) +1.33/6 11} Ra8 27.Bb5+ {(Bb5+ Kc7 a4 Rd8 Rh4 Rd5 b3
Bxh6) +1.34/6 13} Kd8 28.a4 {(a4 Rc8 g4 Rc2 Rd1 Kc7 b3) +1.83/7 16} bxa3 29.b4 {(b4
Kc7 Bc4 Rd8 Rh4 Kd7 g4 Bxh6) +0.41/7 11} Rc8 30.g4 {(g4 Rc3 Rh5 Rg3 g5 hxg5)
-0.53/6 5} Rc3 31.Ka2 {(Ka2 Rg3 Rh4 Re3 Bc4 Kd7 b5 Bxh6 Bxe6+) -0.50/7 19} Rg3 32.Rh4
{(Rh4 Kc7 Bc4 Kd7 d5 Bxe5 dxe6+ Kd6) -0.15/7 7} Kc7 33.Bc4 {(Bc4 Kd7 d5 exd5 Bxd5
Bxe5 Rxh6) -0.06/7 23} Kd7 34.d5 {(d5 Bxe5 dxe6+ Kc6 b5+ Kc5 g5 hxg5) +0.24/6 3}
exd5 35.Bxd5 {(Bxd5 Bxe5 Rxh6 Kc8 b5 Rd3 Be4 Kc7) -0.63/7 10} b5 36.e6+ {(e6+ Kd6
Be4 Bf6 Rxh6 Rxg4 Bf5 Rf4 Kxa3) -0.70/7 11} Kd6 37.Be4 {(Be4 Be5 Bf5 Bf4 Rh2 Re3
Rf2 Bxh6 Bxe6+) -1.11/7 16} Bf6 38.Rxh6 {(Rxh6 Rxg4 Bf5 Rxb4 Kxa3 Rd4 Kb3 Be5)
-1.09/8 16} Bg5 39.Rg6 {(Rg6 Rxg4 Bd3 Rg2+ Kxa3 Bc1+ Kb3 Rxg6 Bxg6 Kxe6) -0.94/7 6} Bd2
40.Bb7 {(Bb7 Bxb4 Rg5 Kxe6 Rxb5 Bd2 Bd5+ Ke5) -1.01/7 11} Bxb4 41.Rg5 {(Rg5 Kxe6 Rxb5
Bd2 Rc5 Be3 Bd5+ Ke5) -0.93/7 21} Rg1 42.Bf3 {(Bf3 Bc3 Kxa3 Rg3 Rf5 Kxe6 Bd5+ Kd6)
-0.93/7 26} Rg3 43.Rxb5 {(Rxb5 Bc5 Rb3 Rg1 Rc3 Re1 g5 Rxe6) -0.61/7 8} Rxf3 44.Rxb4
{(Rxb4 Kxe6 Rb3 Rf4 g5 Rf5 g6 Kf6 Kxa3 Kxg6) -0.07/8 14} Rf6 45.g5 {(g5 Rg6 Rb5 Rxe6
Rb6+ Ke5 Rxe6+ Kxe6 Kxa3) +0.48/7 2} Rg6 46.Rb5 {(Rb5 Rxe6 Kxa3 Re3+ Kb4 Re4+ Kc3
Re5 Rxe5 Kxe5) +0.04/7 7} Kc6 47.Ra5 {(Ra5 Rxe6 Kxa3 Kd7 Kb4 Kd6 Ra6+ Ke5 Rxe6+
Kxe6) +0.03/8 7} Kd6 48.Kxa3 {(Kxa3 Kxe6 Kb4 Rg8 Rc5 Rg6 Kc4) +0.14/7 5} Rg7 49.Kb4
{(Kb4 Kxe6 Kc3 Rg6 Kd4 Kd7 Rd5+ Ke6 Ke4) +0.14/8 16} Rg6 50.Kc4 {(Kc4 Kxe6 Kd4 Kd7
Rd5+ Kc6 Rc5+ Kd6 Rd5+ Ke6) +0.12/7 7} Rg7 51.Kd3 {(Kd3 Kxe6 Ke4 Rg6 Kd4 Rg7 Rd5)
+0.09/7 7} Rg6 52.Ke4 {(Ke4 Kxe6 Rd5 Kf7 Rf5+ Ke8 Re5 Rd6) +0.10/7 7} Rxe6+ 53.Kf5
{(Kf5 Re3 g6 Rg3 Rb5 Rf3+ Ke4 Rc3 Kd3) +0.49/7 5} Re3 54.g6 {(g6 Rf3+ Kg5 Rg3+ Kf5
Rg2 Ra6+ Kd5 Re6 d6) +0.54/6 7} Rf3+ 55.Kg4 {(Kg4 Rf2 Rg5 Re2 g7 Re4+ Kf5 Kd5
Kxe4+) +0.41/7 17} Rf8 56.g7 {(g7 Rf1 Rd5+ Kc6 Rg5 Rg1+ Kf5 Rxg5+ Kxg5) +0.45/6 6} Rg8
57.Rg5 {(Rg5 Ke6 Kh5 Kf7 Kh6 Kf6 Rg4 Rxg7) 0.00/7 13} e6 58.Kh5 {(Kh5 Kd7 Kg6 Ke7 Re5
Re8 Kg5 d5) +0.04/7 5} e5 59.Kg6 {(Kg6 Ke6 Kh7 Kf6 Rg3 Rxg7+ Rxg7 Ke6) +3.90/7 13}
e4 60.Kf7 {(Kf7 Rxg7+ Rxg7 Kc5 Rg5+ Kd6 Kf6 Kc6 Re5) +4.06/7 17} Rxg7+ 61.Kxg7
{(Kxg7 Ke6 Rb5 Kd6 Kf6 Kc7 Re5 Kd6 Rxe4) +5.07/8 2} e3 62.Kf6 {(Kf6 Kc7 Re5 Kd7 Re6
Kc7 Rxe3) +5.11/7 8} e2 63.Re5 {(Re5 Kd7 Rxe2 Kc6 Re5 Kd6) +5.05/6 5} Kc7 64.Rxe2
{(Rxe2 Kb6 Re5 Kc7 Rd5 Kc6 Ke5 Kd6+) +5.02/7 15} Kc6 65.Ke6 {(Ke6 Kc5 Re4 Kb5 Kd5 Kb6
Rc4) +6.42/7 6} Kb5 66.Re4 {(Re4 Kb6 Kd6 Kb7 Rc4 Ka6 Kc6 Kb7+) +6.62/7 6} Kc5 67.Rh4
{(Rh4 Kb6 Kd6 Kb7 Rc4 Ka6 Kc6 Ka5) +7.71/8 13} Kc6 68.Rc4+ {(Rc4+ Kb5 Kd5 Kb6 Rc5 Kb7
Kd6 Kb6) +7.02/7 6} Kb5 69.Kd5 {(Kd5 Kb6 Rc5 Kb7 Rc6 Ka8 Kc5 Kb7) +6.19/8 14} Kb6
70.Rc3 {(Rc3 Ka5 Kc5 Ka6 Rb3 Ka7 Kc6 Kb7+) +6.21/7 3} Ka5 71.Kc5 {(Kc5 Ka6 Kc6 Ka7
Ra3+ Kb8 Ra2 Kc8 Ra8+) +M4/8 17} Ka6 72.Kc6 {(Kc6 Ka7 Ra3+ Kb8 Ra2 Kc8 Ra8+) +M3/6}
{Black resigns} 1-0

Actually resigning means that the applet suddenly shows "Game END.
Please Close this Window"

So cool, Basicfun beat a 2300+ player.

mfg, simon .... l


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 04:59:26
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 18, 4:30=A0pm, Bjoern <[email protected] > wrote:
> Sanny schrieb:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Look at this desaster from today, watch howGetClubmanages to loose
> >> super-quickly as white:
> >> 1. d4 d5 2. e3 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bd3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6. Nc3 c6 7. O-O Bd6
> >> 8. Nxd7 Bxd7 9. Bd2 Bxh2+ 10. Kxh2 Ng4+ 11. Kh3 Qg5 12. Rb1 Qh5+ 13. K=
g3
> >> Qh2+ 14. Kf3 e5 15. dxe5 Nxe5+ 16. Ke2 f4 17. Ke1 O-O-O 18. b3 Rhe8
> >> 19.e4 Qxg2 20. Qc1 Nf3+ 21. Kd1 dxe4 22. Be2 Bg4 23. Na4 e3 24. Qa3 ex=
d2
> >> 25. Nb6+ axb6 26. Qa8+ Kc7 27. Qxd8+ Rxd8 28. c4 Nd4 29. Kxd2 Nxe2+ 30=
.
> >> Kc2 Qe4+ 31. Kb2 0-1
>
> >> Poor tactical calculation, poor strategic play.
>
> > Your Bishop Gambit for a pawn worked.
>
> > Since you are a strong player you should have tried the Easy Level.
> > Beginner takes just 10 sec / move. While Easy will take 40 sec / move
> > and play much stronger game.
>
> If Beginner was 2300 then it should be stronger than me, so why would I
> need to play an even stronger level?

Beginner is 2250+ yesterday. But today a few things were improved
recently. So I feel now you the new ratings are.

Beginner: 2300+
Easy: 2400+
Normal: 2500+

> Of course if you'd like to admit that you're just lying about the
> strength of the program or making its alleged strength up despite all
> evidence to the contrary, I might consider playing a stronger level.

Playing one game prooves nothing. Atleast 3-4 games against a level
are needed to get accurate rating.

My ratings are based on the games I played against other commercial
progrtams.

I find Easy Level defends itself very well.

Play 2 games against Easy Level I am sure you will get a very strong
opponent. And its high Chances that Easy level win against you.

Yesterday Easy Level beat SamSloan. So now more people are accepting
that GetClub plays strongly.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


>
> You should expect to be measured by your own claims, you know...- Hide qu=
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>
> - Show quoted text -



 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 01:30:16
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
It is true that GetClub won the game and Sanny deserves full credit
for that.

However, I just blundered into mate where I seemed to be winning a
bishop.

[Date "2008.10.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GetClub"]
[Black "Sloan, Sam"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C44"]
[Annotator "Sloan,Sam"]
[PlyCount "31"]

1.b3 e5 2.e4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bc5 4.Nc3 d6 5.Bc4 f5 6.Bb2 Nf6
7.exf5 Bxf5 8.O-O Qd7 9.Nb5 O-O-O 10.d4 exd4 11.Nfxd4 Bg4
12.Qd2 a6 13.Nxc6 axb5 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Qa5 bxc6 (15... Qxc6
16. Bxb5 b6 17. Qa4 Qb7 18. Qxg4+ Kb8) 16.Qa8# 1-0


Note that GetClub took three times longer than I did in almost every
move. Most of my moves were within ten seconds.

Sam Sloan


  
Date: 19 Oct 2008 13:43:56
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: AW: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
samsloan wrote:
> It is true that GetClub won the game and Sanny deserves full credit
> for that.
>
> However, I just blundered into mate where I seemed to be winning a
> bishop.
>
> [Date "2008.10.15"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "GetClub"]
> [Black "Sloan, Sam"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C44"]
> [Annotator "Sloan,Sam"]
> [PlyCount "31"]
>
> 1.b3 e5 2.e4 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bc5 4.Nc3 d6 5.Bc4 f5 6.Bb2 Nf6
> 7.exf5 Bxf5 8.O-O Qd7 9.Nb5 O-O-O 10.d4 exd4 11.Nfxd4 Bg4
> 12.Qd2 a6 13.Nxc6 axb5 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Qa5 bxc6 (15... Qxc6
> 16. Bxb5 b6 17. Qa4 Qb7 18. Qxg4+ Kb8) 16.Qa8# 1-0
>
>
> Note that GetClub took three times longer than I did in almost every
> move. Most of my moves were within ten seconds.
>
> Sam Sloan

No, Patzer. White plays 18.Ba6 not 18.Qxg4+. Your position is lost
even if you don't overlook the one-move mate. But overlooking that you
lose the Q is at least consistent. Sloan, you are a walking, crawling joke.



 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 00:46:39
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
> Sanny, you said in the first post in this thread that Easy takes 60
> seconds per move.
>
> But actually, that's still incorrect. In my three games against Easy,
> it averaged about 100 seconds per move. Which is why I'll never bother
> to play Easy again.
>
> jm

If the position is simple Easy plays in 40 sec / move. If there is a
complex position it may think till 100 sec /move.

There is a upperlimit of 320 sec. So Never ever it will take more that
320 sec.

But when a game is complete you take average of all moves you will
find Easy Level taking on average 60 sec / move.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


  
Date: 19 Oct 2008 12:18:51
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
Sanny wrote:
>> Sanny, you said in the first post in this thread that Easy takes 60
>> seconds per move.
>>
>> But actually, that's still incorrect. In my three games against Easy,
>> it averaged about 100 seconds per move. Which is why I'll never bother
>> to play Easy again.
>>
>> jm
>
> If the position is simple Easy plays in 40 sec / move. If there is a
> complex position it may think till 100 sec /move.
>
> There is a upperlimit of 320 sec. So Never ever it will take more that
> 320 sec.

liar.

>
> But when a game is complete you take average of all moves you will
> find Easy Level taking on average 60 sec / move.
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


--
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Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 00:16:19
From:
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 17, 10:39=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Since you are a strong player you should have tried the Easy Level.
> Beginner takes just 10 sec / move. While Easy will take 40 sec / move
> and play much stronger game.

Funny.

Sanny, you said in the first post in this thread that Easy takes 60
seconds per move.

But actually, that's still incorrect. In my three games against Easy,
it averaged about 100 seconds per move. Which is why I'll never bother
to play Easy again.

jm


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 22:54:53
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 18, 12:26=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Oct 17, 11:35=A0am, Peter Osterlund <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > [email protected] writes:
> > > On Oct 16, 11:05=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > You seem to have forgotten the previous games that I played between
> > > Lacey and Beginner. Lacey is a personality in Chessmaster who is rate=
d
> > > 1308 USCF. I have played three games between Beginner and Lacey, and
> > > Beginner has not won any of them (two wins and one draw for Lacey).
>
> > >> Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
> > >> Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.
>
> > > In terms of giving a rating to Beginner, it is completely irrelevant
> > > that it was up a Queen. The only thing that matters is the result of
> > > the game, which was a draw.
>
> > Although 3 games against one opponent is far too little to accurately
> > calculate a rating, using just that data would suggest that the
> > getclub rating is about 1030. I calculated that number using the formul=
a
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Ea=3D1/(1+10^((Rb-Ra)/400))
>
> > (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system). Putting in the
> > known information Ea=3D0.5/3, Rb=3D1308, and solving for Ra gives:
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 Ra=3DRb-400*log10(1/Ea-1) =3D 1030
>
> > Quite far away from 2250+.
>
> Indeed, and I did say "does not play better than 1300".
>
> And here's another win for Lacey over Beginner, who not only does not
> understand Stalemate but also does not understand opposition. I'm so
> glad I didn't terminate this game with a draw. Black's 66th move was a
> massive blunder that lost the game.
>
> [Date "2008.10.17"]
> [White "Lacey"]
> [Black "Beginner"]
> [Result "1-0"]
>
> 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 Nf6 6.Bg5 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3
> d6
> 8.e5 Qe7 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Bb5+ c6 11.Bd3 fxe5 12.O-O Bg4 13.Qe2 Nd7
> 14.h3
> Bxf3 15.Qxf3 Nf6 16.Rae1 Rg8 17.a3 d5 18.Bc2 Rd8 19.Qe3 e4 20.Qxa7
> Rg6
> 21.Rb1 Qe5 22.Rxb7 Rd7 23.Qa8+ Rd8 24.Qa5 Nd7 25.Rd1 h6 26.c4 Qg5
> 27.g3
> d4 28.Qxg5 hxg5 29.Rxd4 c5 30.Rxe4+ Kf8 31.Re2 Re6 32.Rxe6 fxe6 33.h4
> gxh4 34.gxh4 Ne5 35.Rc7 Nf3+ 36.Kh1 Rd2 37.Rc8+ Ke7 38.Be4 Rxf2
> 39.Bxf3
> Rxf3 40.Kg2 Rf5 41.a4 Rh5 42.Kf3 Kd7 43.Rg8 Rxh4 44.Rg7+ Kd6 45.Rg4
> Rxg4
> 46.Kxg4 Ke5 47.a5 Kd6 48.a6 Kc6 49.a7 Kb7 50.Kf4 Kxa7 51.Ke5 Kb6
> 52.Kxe6
> Kc6 53.Ke5 Kc7 54.Kd5 Kb6 55.Ke4 Kc6 56.Kf5 Kb6 57.Kf4 Kc6 58.Ke4 Kd6
> 59.Kf5 Kc7 60.Ke5 Kc8 61.Kd5 Kd8 62.Kd6 Kc8 63.Kc6 Kb8 64.Kd5 Kc8
> 65.Kd6
> Kb8 66.Kc6 Ka7 67.Kxc5 Ka8 68.Kd6 Kb7 69.c5 Ka7 70.Kd7 Ka6 71.c6 Kb6
> 72.c7 Kc5 73.c8=3DQ+ Kd4 74.Qc6 Ke3 75.Qd5 Kf4 76.Ke6 Kg4 77.Qe4+ Kg3
> 78.Ke5 Kf2 79.Qd3 Kg2 80.Qe3 1-0 {Beginner resigned}
>
> jm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My God, 80 Moves game !!!.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 22:39:16
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
> Look at this desaster from today, watch howGetClubmanages to loose
> super-quickly as white:
> 1. d4 d5 2. e3 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bd3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6. Nc3 c6 7. O-O Bd6
> 8. Nxd7 Bxd7 9. Bd2 Bxh2+ 10. Kxh2 Ng4+ 11. Kh3 Qg5 12. Rb1 Qh5+ 13. Kg3
> Qh2+ 14. Kf3 e5 15. dxe5 Nxe5+ 16. Ke2 f4 17. Ke1 O-O-O 18. b3 Rhe8
> 19.e4 Qxg2 20. Qc1 Nf3+ 21. Kd1 dxe4 22. Be2 Bg4 23. Na4 e3 24. Qa3 exd2
> 25. Nb6+ axb6 26. Qa8+ Kc7 27. Qxd8+ Rxd8 28. c4 Nd4 29. Kxd2 Nxe2+ 30.
> Kc2 Qe4+ 31. Kb2 0-1
>
> Poor tactical calculation, poor strategic play.

Your Bishop Gambit for a pawn worked.

Since you are a strong player you should have tried the Easy Level.
Beginner takes just 10 sec / move. While Easy will take 40 sec / move
and play much stronger game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


  
Date: 18 Oct 2008 13:30:06
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
Sanny schrieb:
>> Look at this desaster from today, watch howGetClubmanages to loose
>> super-quickly as white:
>> 1. d4 d5 2. e3 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bd3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6. Nc3 c6 7. O-O Bd6
>> 8. Nxd7 Bxd7 9. Bd2 Bxh2+ 10. Kxh2 Ng4+ 11. Kh3 Qg5 12. Rb1 Qh5+ 13. Kg3
>> Qh2+ 14. Kf3 e5 15. dxe5 Nxe5+ 16. Ke2 f4 17. Ke1 O-O-O 18. b3 Rhe8
>> 19.e4 Qxg2 20. Qc1 Nf3+ 21. Kd1 dxe4 22. Be2 Bg4 23. Na4 e3 24. Qa3 exd2
>> 25. Nb6+ axb6 26. Qa8+ Kc7 27. Qxd8+ Rxd8 28. c4 Nd4 29. Kxd2 Nxe2+ 30.
>> Kc2 Qe4+ 31. Kb2 0-1
>>
>> Poor tactical calculation, poor strategic play.
>
> Your Bishop Gambit for a pawn worked.
>
> Since you are a strong player you should have tried the Easy Level.
> Beginner takes just 10 sec / move. While Easy will take 40 sec / move
> and play much stronger game.

If Beginner was 2300 then it should be stronger than me, so why would I
need to play an even stronger level?

Of course if you'd like to admit that you're just lying about the
strength of the program or making its alleged strength up despite all
evidence to the contrary, I might consider playing a stronger level.

You should expect to be measured by your own claims, you know...


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 02:06:38
From: Simon Krahnke
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
* Bjoern <[email protected] > (22:25) schrieb:

> Sanny schrieb:
>> Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
>> few programs are better than it.
>
> Well, at least only countably many.
>
> Can you actually quote any chess programs that are only as good or worse
> than GetClub? Every chess program I know is better.

Well I can. My Finalfun is probably worse. For Basicfun I would need to
test. But I have better uses for my time than playing operator on some
ugly web site.

mfg, simon .... l


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 22:25:41
From: Bjoern
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
Sanny schrieb:
> Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
> few programs are better than it.

Well, at least only countably many.

Can you actually quote any chess programs that are only as good or worse
than GetClub? Every chess program I know is better.

Look at this desaster from today, watch how GetClub manages to loose
super-quickly as white:
1. d4 d5 2. e3 f5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Bd3 e6 5.Ne5 Nbd7 6. Nc3 c6 7. O-O Bd6
8. Nxd7 Bxd7 9. Bd2 Bxh2+ 10. Kxh2 Ng4+ 11. Kh3 Qg5 12. Rb1 Qh5+ 13. Kg3
Qh2+ 14. Kf3 e5 15. dxe5 Nxe5+ 16. Ke2 f4 17. Ke1 O-O-O 18. b3 Rhe8
19.e4 Qxg2 20. Qc1 Nf3+ 21. Kd1 dxe4 22. Be2 Bg4 23. Na4 e3 24. Qa3 exd2
25. Nb6+ axb6 26. Qa8+ Kc7 27. Qxd8+ Rxd8 28. c4 Nd4 29. Kxd2 Nxe2+ 30.
Kc2 Qe4+ 31. Kb2 0-1


Poor tactical calculation, poor strategic play.


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 12:26:00
From:
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 17, 11:35=A0am, Peter Osterlund <[email protected] > wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
> > On Oct 16, 11:05=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You seem to have forgotten the previous games that I played between
> > Lacey and Beginner. Lacey is a personality in Chessmaster who is rated
> > 1308 USCF. I have played three games between Beginner and Lacey, and
> > Beginner has not won any of them (two wins and one draw for Lacey).
>
> >> Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
> >> Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.
>
> > In terms of giving a rating to Beginner, it is completely irrelevant
> > that it was up a Queen. The only thing that matters is the result of
> > the game, which was a draw.
>
> Although 3 games against one opponent is far too little to accurately
> calculate a rating, using just that data would suggest that the
> getclub rating is about 1030. I calculated that number using the formula
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Ea=3D1/(1+10^((Rb-Ra)/400))
>
> (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system). Putting in the
> known information Ea=3D0.5/3, Rb=3D1308, and solving for Ra gives:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Ra=3DRb-400*log10(1/Ea-1) =3D 1030
>
> Quite far away from 2250+.

Indeed, and I did say "does not play better than 1300".

And here's another win for Lacey over Beginner, who not only does not
understand Stalemate but also does not understand opposition. I'm so
glad I didn't terminate this game with a draw. Black's 66th move was a
massive blunder that lost the game.

[Date "2008.10.17"]
[White "Lacey"]
[Black "Beginner"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Nf3 Bb4+ 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 Nf6 6.Bg5 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3
d6
8.e5 Qe7 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Bb5+ c6 11.Bd3 fxe5 12.O-O Bg4 13.Qe2 Nd7
14.h3
Bxf3 15.Qxf3 Nf6 16.Rae1 Rg8 17.a3 d5 18.Bc2 Rd8 19.Qe3 e4 20.Qxa7
Rg6
21.Rb1 Qe5 22.Rxb7 Rd7 23.Qa8+ Rd8 24.Qa5 Nd7 25.Rd1 h6 26.c4 Qg5
27.g3
d4 28.Qxg5 hxg5 29.Rxd4 c5 30.Rxe4+ Kf8 31.Re2 Re6 32.Rxe6 fxe6 33.h4
gxh4 34.gxh4 Ne5 35.Rc7 Nf3+ 36.Kh1 Rd2 37.Rc8+ Ke7 38.Be4 Rxf2
39.Bxf3
Rxf3 40.Kg2 Rf5 41.a4 Rh5 42.Kf3 Kd7 43.Rg8 Rxh4 44.Rg7+ Kd6 45.Rg4
Rxg4
46.Kxg4 Ke5 47.a5 Kd6 48.a6 Kc6 49.a7 Kb7 50.Kf4 Kxa7 51.Ke5 Kb6
52.Kxe6
Kc6 53.Ke5 Kc7 54.Kd5 Kb6 55.Ke4 Kc6 56.Kf5 Kb6 57.Kf4 Kc6 58.Ke4 Kd6
59.Kf5 Kc7 60.Ke5 Kc8 61.Kd5 Kd8 62.Kd6 Kc8 63.Kc6 Kb8 64.Kd5 Kc8
65.Kd6
Kb8 66.Kc6 Ka7 67.Kxc5 Ka8 68.Kd6 Kb7 69.c5 Ka7 70.Kd7 Ka6 71.c6 Kb6
72.c7 Kc5 73.c8=3DQ+ Kd4 74.Qc6 Ke3 75.Qd5 Kf4 76.Ke6 Kg4 77.Qe4+ Kg3
78.Ke5 Kf2 79.Qd3 Kg2 80.Qe3 1-0 {Beginner resigned}

jm


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 08:51:27
From:
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 16, 11:05=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Its a Drawn Game. Good Fight.

Sort of. Yes, it was a drawn game and a "good fight" until Lacey made
a blunder on move 48 and gave the win to Beginner. Beginner actually
had a mate in 4 on move 55, but instead required 11 moves just to give
stalemate. This is not the behavior of an engine that is rated
"2250+".

> Were you playing taking help of any other program or you were playing
> using your Chess Skills?

You seem to have forgotten the previous games that I played between
Lacey and Beginner. Lacey is a personality in Chessmaster who is rated
1308 USCF. I have played three games between Beginner and Lacey, and
Beginner has not won any of them (two wins and one draw for Lacey).

> Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
> Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.

In terms of giving a rating to Beginner, it is completely irrelevant
that it was up a Queen. The only thing that matters is the result of
the game, which was a draw.

jm


  
Date: 17 Oct 2008 18:35:42
From: Peter Osterlund
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
[email protected] writes:

> On Oct 16, 11:05 pm, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Its a Drawn Game. Good Fight.
>
> Sort of. Yes, it was a drawn game and a "good fight" until Lacey made
> a blunder on move 48 and gave the win to Beginner. Beginner actually
> had a mate in 4 on move 55, but instead required 11 moves just to give
> stalemate. This is not the behavior of an engine that is rated
> "2250+".
>
>> Were you playing taking help of any other program or you were playing
>> using your Chess Skills?
>
> You seem to have forgotten the previous games that I played between
> Lacey and Beginner. Lacey is a personality in Chessmaster who is rated
> 1308 USCF. I have played three games between Beginner and Lacey, and
> Beginner has not won any of them (two wins and one draw for Lacey).
>
>> Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
>> Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.
>
> In terms of giving a rating to Beginner, it is completely irrelevant
> that it was up a Queen. The only thing that matters is the result of
> the game, which was a draw.

Although 3 games against one opponent is far too little to accurately
calculate a rating, using just that data would suggest that the
getclub rating is about 1030. I calculated that number using the formula

Ea=1/(1+10^((Rb-Ra)/400))

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system). Putting in the
known information Ea=0.5/3, Rb=1308, and solving for Ra gives:

Ra=Rb-400*log10(1/Ea-1) = 1030

Quite far away from 2250+.


--
Peter Osterlund - [email protected]
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340


 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 23:23:03
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 16, 10:32 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

>
> Beginner: 2250+
> Easy: 2350+
> Normal: 2450+

Sanny is dislectic. He meant:

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 3250++
Normal: 4250+++

Sanny, what about your abnormal level?


> Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
> reasions.

Must be for eurosions.


Wlod

PS. Yes, Mike, deja vu, indeed, that was my
first impression or reaction too.


 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 23:11:44
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub beat SamSloan.
> > I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.
>
> Is this "Sanny" some sort of deranged AI experiment? =A0 Why in the world=
does
> he think his silly little Java app is so strong that "only a few programs
> are better than it"? =A0 His web site is a joke, he is completely clueles=
s
> when it comes to understandingchess, and his "chessprogram" plays only
> slightly better than Boris from 30 years ago.

Today GetClub beat SamSloan. Easy Level win the game against
SamSloan.

If the player is real SamSloan then Easy was playing very strongly.


Game Played between samsloan and easy at GetClub.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
samsloan: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM29047&game=
=3DChess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

White -- Black
(easy) -- (samsloan)

1. b2-b3{2} e7-e5{4}
2. e2-e4{20} Nb8-c6{4}
3. Ng1-f3{22} Bf8-c5{6}
4. Nb1-c3{20} d7-d6{4}
5. Bf1-c4{156} f7-f5{8}
6. Bc1-b2{40} Ng8-f6{12}
7. e4-f5{80} Bc8-f5{6}
8. Ke1-g1{60} Qd8-d7{12}
9. Nc3-b5{102} Ke8-c8{88}
10. d2-d4{154} e5-d4{12}
11. Nf3-d4{66} Bf5-g4{50}
12. Qd1-d2{110} a7-a6{10}
13. Nd4-c6{26} a6-b5{28}
14. Bb2-f6{26} g7-f6{44}
15. Qd2-a5{26} b7-c6{20}
16. Qa5-a8{0}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----
samsloan: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=3DDM29047&game=
=3DChess

So you can see how SamSloan was beaten by Easy Level in just 16 moves.

SamSloan claims he is better than Taylor Kingston. And Easy Level win
the game. So to Conclude Easy Level plays better than both SamSloan
and Taylor Kingston.

So my Ratings below are correct.

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 23:05:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
> [Date "2008.10.16"]
> [White "Beginner"]
> [Black "Lacey"]
> [Result "1/2-1/2"]
>
> 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Ne5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 d4 6.exf6 dxc3 7.Qxd8+
> Kxd8 8.e4 exf6 9.bxc3 Be6 10.Bd3 Bd6 11.Be3 Be5 12.Bd4 c5 13.Bxe5
> fxe5
> 14.O-O Ke7 15.c4 Rad8 16.Rab1 b6 17.Rfd1 f6 18.f3 Rhf8 19.Be2 Rxd1+
> 20.Rxd1 Rd8 21.Rd3 Bxc4 22.Rxd8 Bxe2 23.Rd2 Bc4 24.a4 a6 25.g3 Be6
> 26.Rd1 b5 27.axb5 axb5 28.g4 b4 29.Kf2 b3 30.cxb3 Bxb3 31.Rd3 c4
> 32.Rc3
> Kd6 33.h3 Kc5 34.h4 Kd4 35.Rc1 c3 36.h5 c2 37.Ke2 Kc3 38.h6 gxh6
> 39.Rh1
> Bc4+ 40.Ke3 h5 41.gxh5 Bf7 42.h6 Be6 43.Rc1 Kb2 44.Kd2 Bb3 45.Re1 Be6
> 46.Rc1 Bb3 47.Re1 Be6 48.Rg1 f5 49.Rc1 Bb3 50.exf5 Ba4 51.f6 Bb3
> 52.Rxc2+ Bxc2 53.f7 Bb3 54.f8=Q Ka2 55.Qa8+ Kb2 56.Qe4 Bg8 57.Ke3 Kb3
> 58.Kd3 Kb2 59.Ke3 Kb3 60.Kf2 Kc3 61.Qxe5+ Kc4 62.Qc7+ Kd5 63.Qd8+ Ke5
> 64.Qxg8 Kf4 65.Qd5 1/2-1/2

Its a Drawn Game. Good Fight.

> Or perhaps your engine doesn't understand "stalemate"? :-p Will it be
> "twice improved" if you include it?

In this game GetClub was Queen up. But the game was Stalemate. So a
Draw was Given to this game.

Were you playing taking help of any other program or you were playing
using your Chess Skills?

Game Played between JVMerlino and beginner at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JVMerlino: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM29038&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(beginner) -- (JVMerlino)

1. d2-d4{82} Ng8-f6{22}
2. Ng1-f3{14} d7-d5{40}
3. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{50}
4. Nf3-e5{0} Nc6-e5{10}
5. d4-e5{6} d5-d4{6}
6. e5-f6{22} d4-c3{8}
7. Qd1-d8{6} Ke8-d8{12}
8. e2-e4{28} e7-f6{10}
9. b2-c3{8} Bc8-e6{8}
10. Bf1-d3{6} Bf8-d6{6}
11. Bc1-e3{12} Bd6-e5{8}
12. Be3-d4{8} c7-c5{10}
13. Bd4-e5{10} f6-e5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Kd8-e7{16}
15. c3-c4{14} Ra8-d8{14}
16. Ra1-b1{44} b7-b6{6}
17. Rf1-d1{8} f7-f6{8}
18. f2-f3{12} Rh8-f8{8}
19. Bd3-e2{12} Rd8-d1{8}
20. Rb1-d1{6} Rf8-d8{12}
21. Rd1-d3{12} Be6-c4{10}
22. Rd3-d8{8} Bc4-e2{10}
23. Rd8-d2{6} Be2-c4{10}
24. a2-a4{10} a7-a6{6}
25. g2-g3{18} Bc4-e6{10}
26. Rd2-d1{10} b6-b5{8}
27. a4-b5{10} a6-b5{6}
28. g3-g4{16} b5-b4{8}
29. Kg1-f2{10} b4-b3{8}
30. c2-b3{6} Be6-b3{8}
31. Rd1-d3{10} c5-c4{8}
32. Rd3-c3{6} Ke7-d6{6}
33. h2-h3{12} Kd6-c5{6}
34. h3-h4{6} Kc5-d4{6}
35. Rc3-c1{10} c4-c3{6}
36. h4-h5{12} c3-c2{6}
37. Kf2-e2{18} Kd4-c3{8}
38. h5-h6{24} g7-h6{6}
39. Rc1-h1{12} Bb3-c4{10}
40. Ke2-e3{6} h6-h5{10}
41. g4-h5{10} Bc4-f7{8}
42. h5-h6{6} Bf7-e6{6}
43. Rh1-c1{10} Kc3-b2{12}
44. Ke3-d2{6} Be6-b3{12}
45. Rc1-e1{10} Bb3-e6{10}
46. Re1-c1{28} Be6-b3{8}
47. Rc1-e1{10} Bb3-e6{8}
48. Re1-g1{22} f6-f5{10}
49. Rg1-c1{18} Be6-b3{14}
50. e4-f5{6} Bb3-a4{6}
51. f5-f6{14} Ba4-b3{6}
52. Rc1-c2{22} Bb3-c2{6}
53. f6-f7{6} Bc2-b3{6}
54. Qf7-f8{Q}{12} Kb2-a2{8}
55. Qf8-a8{6} Ka2-b2{8}
56. Qa8-e4{10} Bb3-g8{10}
57. Kd2-e3{14} Kb2-b3{8}
58. Ke3-d3{32} Kb3-b2{8}
59. Kd3-e3{10} Kb2-b3{6}
60. Ke3-f2{8} Kb3-c3{6}
61. Qe4-e5{6} Kc3-c4{6}
62. Qe5-c7{6} Kc4-d5{6}
63. Qc7-d8{6} Kd5-e5{10}
64. Qd8-g8{8} Ke5-f4{6}
65. Qg8-d5{2}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JVMerlino: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM29038&game=Chess

> > With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
> > to each level.
>
> > Beginner: 2250+
>
> Perhaps if I tell you for the tenth time, you might believe me.
> Beginner does not play better than 1300.

Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 22:59:19
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
> > Now,GetClubis one of the strongestChessProgram in world. Only a
> > few programs are better than it.
>
> > Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> > I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga andChessMaster.are still stronger than
> >GetClub.
>
> Has anyone done a definitive analysis as to which is the strongest
> commercially availablechessprogram available in the world today.

Most people say Rybka is the strongest Program available on the
market.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 22:25:25
From: chessplayer
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 16, 10:32=A0pm, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
> few programs are better than it.
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
>
> I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
> GetClub.

Has anyone done a definitive analysis as to which is the strongest
commercially available chess program available in the world today.
>
> My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
> games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?
>
> With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
> to each level.
>
> Beginner: 2250+
> Easy: 2350+
> Normal: 2450+
>
> Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
> reasions. So I am not getting any help from players on improving the
> GetClub game further. I feel sad that such a good player is missing.
>
> Strong players play a few games and let me know how you feel about the
> Chess Game at GetClub.
>
> Is there anyone who can beat the Easy Level and Normal Level?
>
> Beginner: 15 sec/ move [for 90% players.]
> Easy: 60 sec / move [for Tournament Players.]
> Normal: 4 min / move [for Top rated Players.]
>
> Bye
> Sanny
>
> Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 14:02:40
From:
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Oct 16, 10:32=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
> GetClub.

Sanny, I would VERY conservatively guess that there are at least 100
programs better than your engine at tournament time controls. The
number might actually be closer to 200.

> My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
> games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?

A good start would be to write an engine that doesn't give stalemate
when it's up a queen and a pawn....

[Date "2008.10.16"]
[White "Beginner"]
[Black "Lacey"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Ne5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 d4 6.exf6 dxc3 7.Qxd8+
Kxd8 8.e4 exf6 9.bxc3 Be6 10.Bd3 Bd6 11.Be3 Be5 12.Bd4 c5 13.Bxe5
fxe5
14.O-O Ke7 15.c4 Rad8 16.Rab1 b6 17.Rfd1 f6 18.f3 Rhf8 19.Be2 Rxd1+
20.Rxd1 Rd8 21.Rd3 Bxc4 22.Rxd8 Bxe2 23.Rd2 Bc4 24.a4 a6 25.g3 Be6
26.Rd1 b5 27.axb5 axb5 28.g4 b4 29.Kf2 b3 30.cxb3 Bxb3 31.Rd3 c4
32.Rc3
Kd6 33.h3 Kc5 34.h4 Kd4 35.Rc1 c3 36.h5 c2 37.Ke2 Kc3 38.h6 gxh6
39.Rh1
Bc4+ 40.Ke3 h5 41.gxh5 Bf7 42.h6 Be6 43.Rc1 Kb2 44.Kd2 Bb3 45.Re1 Be6
46.Rc1 Bb3 47.Re1 Be6 48.Rg1 f5 49.Rc1 Bb3 50.exf5 Ba4 51.f6 Bb3
52.Rxc2+ Bxc2 53.f7 Bb3 54.f8=3DQ Ka2 55.Qa8+ Kb2 56.Qe4 Bg8 57.Ke3 Kb3
58.Kd3 Kb2 59.Ke3 Kb3 60.Kf2 Kc3 61.Qxe5+ Kc4 62.Qc7+ Kd5 63.Qd8+ Ke5
64.Qxg8 Kf4 65.Qd5 1/2-1/2

Or perhaps your engine doesn't understand "stalemate"? :-p Will it be
"twice improved" if you include it?

> With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
> to each level.
>
> Beginner: 2250+

Perhaps if I tell you for the tenth time, you might believe me.
Beginner does not play better than 1300.

jm


 
Date: 16 Oct 2008 11:30:16
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Sanny
<[email protected] > wrote:

>Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
>few programs are better than it.

>With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
>to each level.

>Beginner: 2250+
>Easy: 2350+
>Normal: 2450+

I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.


  
Date: 16 Oct 2008 15:56:59
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: Whats left for GetClub Chess?
"Mike Murray" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Sanny
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
>>few programs are better than it.
>
>>With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
>>to each level.
>
>>Beginner: 2250+
>>Easy: 2350+
>>Normal: 2450+
>
> I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.


Is this "Sanny" some sort of deranged AI experiment? Why in the world does
he think his silly little Java app is so strong that "only a few programs
are better than it"? His web site is a joke, he is completely clueless
when it comes to understanding chess, and his "chess program" plays only
slightly better than Boris from 30 years ago.

I love how he invents new ratings every time he makes his program play 1
less incredibly stupid move.