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Date: 13 Jun 2006 19:42:46
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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Has the tablebase for R+2N vs. R been done yet? If so, is it usually a
win?
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 08:23:47
From: George
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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=CE=9F/=CE=97 Jud McCranie =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5:
> On 15 Jun 2006 06:00:11 -0700, "George" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >> Is there a place that sumizes the results?
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> >For the KRNN versus KR:
> >(wtm means white to move)
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Well i'm too lazy to do it for you but:
Download the tbs statistics that you are interested in
(from ftp://ftp.cis.uab.edu/pub/hyatt/TB/tbs/ or
http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/chess/tablebases-online/ )
and put them all in one file.
How to do it?
First unzip them ALL into a folder for example c:\fold\
Then open cmd.exe and write:
c:\fold type *.tbs > all.tbs
After this a all.tbs file will be generated that will have all the
statistics.
Then write a simple C or C++ program that would extract the desired
contains from the all.tbs.
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 15:12:16
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On 15 Jun 2006 08:23:47 -0700, "George" <[email protected] > wrote:
>Download the tbs statistics that you are interested in
>(from ftp://ftp.cis.uab.edu/pub/hyatt/TB/tbs/ or
>http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/chess/tablebases-online/ )
Thanks!
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 06:00:11
From: George
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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=CE=9F/=CE=97 Jud McCranie =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5:
> On 14 Jun 2006 09:14:11 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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> >http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=3Degtb&lang=3Den
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> Is there a place that sumizes the results?
For the KRNN versus KR:
(wtm means white to move)
(btm means black to move)
wtm: Lost in 0: 635025
wtm: Lost in 1: 305822
wtm: Lost in 2: 52263
wtm: Lost in 3: 2253
wtm: Lost in 4: 198
wtm: Lost in 5: 11
wtm: Lost in 7: 1
wtm: Lost in 9: 1
wtm: Lost in 13: 8
wtm: Lost in 14: 10
wtm: Lost in 15: 1
wtm: Lost in 16: 21
wtm: Lost in 17: 33
wtm: Lost in 18: 138
wtm: Lost in 19: 134
wtm: Lost in 20: 171
wtm: Lost in 21: 90
wtm: Lost in 22: 42
wtm: Lost in 23: 78
wtm: Lost in 24: 107
wtm: Lost in 25: 161
wtm: Lost in 26: 223
wtm: Lost in 27: 193
wtm: Lost in 28: 154
wtm: Lost in 29: 135
wtm: Lost in 30: 66
wtm: Lost in 31: 54
wtm: Lost in 32: 43
wtm: Lost in 33: 39
wtm: Lost in 34: 29
wtm: Lost in 35: 29
wtm: Lost in 36: 15
wtm: Lost in 37: 9
wtm: Lost in 38: 7
wtm: Lost in 39: 4
wtm: Draws: 118405682
wtm: Mate in 42: 2
wtm: Mate in 41: 44
wtm: Mate in 40: 163
wtm: Mate in 39: 438
wtm: Mate in 38: 1126
wtm: Mate in 37: 2406
wtm: Mate in 36: 4712
wtm: Mate in 35: 10214
wtm: Mate in 34: 19831
wtm: Mate in 33: 40248
wtm: Mate in 32: 80989
wtm: Mate in 31: 155905
wtm: Mate in 30: 326043
wtm: Mate in 29: 732070
wtm: Mate in 28: 1733722
wtm: Mate in 27: 4108218
wtm: Mate in 26: 9274156
wtm: Mate in 25: 19089003
wtm: Mate in 24: 35010520
wtm: Mate in 23: 56512208
wtm: Mate in 22: 79895964
wtm: Mate in 21: 99165290
wtm: Mate in 20: 109540651
wtm: Mate in 19: 109782656
wtm: Mate in 18: 102307213
wtm: Mate in 17: 90323380
wtm: Mate in 16: 76996399
wtm: Mate in 15: 64661555
wtm: Mate in 14: 54833663
wtm: Mate in 13: 51583670
wtm: Mate in 12: 58870935
wtm: Mate in 11: 85400623
wtm: Mate in 10: 141353106
wtm: Mate in 9: 184735933
wtm: Mate in 8: 179832361
wtm: Mate in 7: 143695586
wtm: Mate in 6: 95875216
wtm: Mate in 5: 53840184
wtm: Mate in 4: 23369643
wtm: Mate in 3: 15639317
wtm: Mate in 2: 11167221
wtm: Mate in 1: 13902514
wtm: Broken positions: 447037334
btm: Lost in 0: 2665158
btm: Lost in 1: 1830996
btm: Lost in 2: 1235360
btm: Lost in 3: 1458724
btm: Lost in 4: 2519273
btm: Lost in 5: 5325005
btm: Lost in 6: 10184886
btm: Lost in 7: 17350432
btm: Lost in 8: 27673536
btm: Lost in 9: 38873457
btm: Lost in 10: 41928561
btm: Lost in 11: 35820790
btm: Lost in 12: 31306580
btm: Lost in 13: 30040606
btm: Lost in 14: 35114298
btm: Lost in 15: 44750911
btm: Lost in 16: 57162782
btm: Lost in 17: 71981325
btm: Lost in 18: 87834640
btm: Lost in 19: 102530998
btm: Lost in 20: 112795722
btm: Lost in 21: 114456139
btm: Lost in 22: 103738652
btm: Lost in 23: 81887604
btm: Lost in 24: 55869247
btm: Lost in 25: 32988981
btm: Lost in 26: 16959493
btm: Lost in 27: 7670672
btm: Lost in 28: 3224396
btm: Lost in 29: 1345159
btm: Lost in 30: 599294
btm: Lost in 31: 289784
btm: Lost in 32: 143127
btm: Lost in 33: 66518
btm: Lost in 34: 32920
btm: Lost in 35: 15270
btm: Lost in 36: 6917
btm: Lost in 37: 3285
btm: Lost in 38: 1528
btm: Lost in 39: 425
btm: Lost in 40: 116
btm: Lost in 41: 22
btm: Lost in 42: 3
btm: Draws: 1293094089
btm: Mate in 41: 43
btm: Mate in 40: 228
btm: Mate in 39: 964
btm: Mate in 38: 1437
btm: Mate in 37: 4710
btm: Mate in 36: 8743
btm: Mate in 35: 9723
btm: Mate in 34: 14529
btm: Mate in 33: 18046
btm: Mate in 32: 25308
btm: Mate in 31: 28746
btm: Mate in 30: 40902
btm: Mate in 29: 61049
btm: Mate in 28: 71580
btm: Mate in 27: 77772
btm: Mate in 26: 79650
btm: Mate in 25: 88874
btm: Mate in 24: 91360
btm: Mate in 23: 84030
btm: Mate in 22: 70021
btm: Mate in 21: 66770
btm: Mate in 20: 74687
btm: Mate in 19: 103615
btm: Mate in 18: 101279
btm: Mate in 17: 59647
btm: Mate in 16: 24745
btm: Mate in 15: 15128
btm: Mate in 14: 10292
btm: Mate in 13: 6367
btm: Mate in 12: 2979
btm: Mate in 11: 2025
btm: Mate in 10: 1836
btm: Mate in 9: 1536
btm: Mate in 8: 3452
btm: Mate in 7: 2363
btm: Mate in 6: 5286
btm: Mate in 5: 11600
btm: Mate in 4: 39398
btm: Mate in 3: 322779
btm: Mate in 2: 1951027
btm: Mate in 1: 4493961
btm: Broken positions: 438220752
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 10:58:38
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On 15 Jun 2006 06:00:11 -0700, "George" <[email protected] > wrote:
>> Is there a place that sumizes the results?
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>For the KRNN versus KR:
>(wtm means white to move)
I saw that, thanks, but I was asking for a sumy off all known
tablebases.
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 11:44:53
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Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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Jud McCranie wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2006 09:14:11 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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> >http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en
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> Is there a place that sumizes the results?
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Not that I know of, sorry....
jm
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 09:14:11
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Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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Jud McCranie wrote:
> Has the tablebase for R+2N vs. R been done yet? If so, is it usually a
> win?
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By the way, you can find lots of 6-man TBs available for searching
online here:
http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en
jm
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 13:22:28
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On 14 Jun 2006 09:14:11 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en
Is there a place that sumizes the results?
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 13:21:25
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On 14 Jun 2006 09:14:11 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>http://www.k4it.de/index.php?topic=egtb&lang=en
Using that on 20 or 30 positions, R+2N vs. R, black to move, I
couldn't find any draws unless black immediately won a piece or forced
exchanges of rooks.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 21:55:53
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:42:46 -0400, Jud McCranie
<[email protected] > wrote:
>Has the tablebase for R+2N vs. R been done yet? If so, is it usually a
>win?
According to the tablebase, with the side with the rook to move, a
little less than half of them are wins for the R+2N.
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Date: 13 Jun 2006 16:58:42
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Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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Jud McCranie wrote:
> Has the tablebase for R+2N vs. R been done yet? If so, is it usually a
> win?
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I found this from an old Eugene Nalimov post:
http://perl.guru.org/ccc/m2001.12/204125.txt
It gives all of the stats.
jm
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Date: 14 Jun 2006 13:23:30
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On 13 Jun 2006 16:58:42 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>I found this from an old Eugene Nalimov post:
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>http://perl.guru.org/ccc/m2001.12/204125.txt
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>It gives all of the stats.
Thanks, that answers my question.
Another question: Is there some website that sumizes all known
tablebase results? I have Secrets of Pawnless Endings and FCE, which
have some tables, but many have been done other than those.
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 23:45:22
From: Clifford Stern
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:23:30 -0400, Jud McCranie
<[email protected] > wrote:
>On 13 Jun 2006 16:58:42 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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>>I found this from an old Eugene Nalimov post:
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>>http://perl.guru.org/ccc/m2001.12/204125.txt
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>>It gives all of the stats.
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>Thanks, that answers my question.
>
>Another question: Is there some website that sumizes all known
>tablebase results? I have Secrets of Pawnless Endings and FCE, which
>have some tables, but many have been done other than those.
There is a nice table for pawnless 6-piece endgames on page 103 of Lewis
Stiller's Ph.D. thesis available at:
http://users.rcn.com/lstiller
Stiller made the national news for his pioneering work on those
endgames, which included the surprise result that RB vs. NN is a win in
the general case.
Clifford Stern
[email protected]
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 21:54:50
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:45:22 GMT, [email protected] (Clifford Stern)
wrote:
>http://users.rcn.com/lstiller
That's what I'm looking for, but it is 11 years old.
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 20:13:40
From: Gilles Garrigues
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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ICGA website at www.icga.org
"Jud McCranie" <[email protected] > a �crit dans le message
de news: [email protected]...
> On 13 Jun 2006 16:58:42 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
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>>I found this from an old Eugene Nalimov post:
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>>http://perl.guru.org/ccc/m2001.12/204125.txt
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>>It gives all of the stats.
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> Thanks, that answers my question.
>
> Another question: Is there some website that sumizes all known
> tablebase results? I have Secrets of Pawnless Endings and FCE, which
> have some tables, but many have been done other than those.
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Date: 17 Jun 2006 22:01:29
From: Jud McCranie
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:13:40 +0200, "Gilles Garrigues"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>ICGA website at www.icga.org
Thanks, I found it. It looks pretty complete.
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Date: 15 Jun 2006 09:47:08
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: tablebase for R+2N vs. R
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Jud McCranie <[email protected] > wrote:
> Another question: Is there some website that sumizes all known
> tablebase results?
You are not authorized to know that information, citizen.
Dave.
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David Richerby Hungry Disposable Book (TM): it's like
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a romantic novel but you never have
to clean it and it'll eat you!
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