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Date: 17 Oct 2008 11:43:46
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)
It looks to me that Kramnik would
win with the move:

34. Qe4

It makes a mating threat 35.Qh7 mate.
Anand would try perhaps 34... Qf2+
but it's hopeless: 35.Kb3 etc. or
34... Qc5+ 35Kb3 or 34... Rg2 Kb1 etc.

Regards,

Wlod




 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 05:13:27
From: raylopez99
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)
On Oct 17, 11:43=A0am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> It looks to me that Kramnik would
> win with the move:
>
> =A0 =A0 34. Qe4

In this day and age don't you own ChessBase? A free version is
available at www . chessbase . com

It shows:

34. Qe4 Rg2 35. Kd1 Qg1+ 36. Qe1 Qxh2 37. Bf1 Rg1 and black wins.

Regards,

RL


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 04:54:25
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)
On Oct 18, 3:05 am, Stephan Bird <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:43:46 -0700 in
> [email protected]m,
> "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It looks to me that Kramnik would
> > win with the move:
>
> > 34. Qe4
>
> > It makes a mating threat 35.Qh7 mate. Anand would try perhaps 34...
> > Qf2+
> > but it's hopeless: 35.Kb3 etc. or
> > 34... Qc5+ 35Kb3 or 34... Rg2 Kb1 etc.
>
> 34. ... Rf2+ looks a lot stronger than Qf2+ to me
> 35. Kd1 (other king moves rapidly get you mated)
> Qg1+ 36. Qe1 Qxh2 -/+, or 35. Qe2 Rxe2 36. Bxe2 Bf5+
> etc?
>
> Stephan

Thank you. Indeed, as you have indicated, after
34.Qe4 Rf2+ the continuations 35.Kb1 Qxb2 mate
and 35.Kb3 Rxb2 mate are not too good for white
(except for merciful effect). And, as you showed,
the other line is not good to white either. My
suggestion had no value.

Regards,

Wlod


 
Date: 18 Oct 2008 10:05:34
From: Stephan Bird
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:43:46 -0700 in
[email protected]m,
"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote:

> It looks to me that Kramnik would
> win with the move:
>
> 34. Qe4
>
> It makes a mating threat 35.Qh7 mate. Anand would try perhaps 34...
> Qf2+
> but it's hopeless: 35.Kb3 etc. or
> 34... Qc5+ 35Kb3 or 34... Rg2 Kb1 etc.

34. ... Rf2+ looks a lot stronger than Qf2+ to me 35. Kd1 (other king moves
rapidly get you mated) Qg1+ 36. Qe1 Qxh2 -/+, or 35. Qe2 Rxe2 36. Bxe2 Bf5+
etc?

Stephan

--
Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC
[email protected]
Currently in Macclesfield, Cheshire


 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 12:07:54
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)
On Oct 17, 11:56 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> And I don't have rest of game score [...]

Phil,

I have provided an excellent link
in your own thread Anand v Kramnik:

http://www.uep-worldchess.com/

Enjoy,

Wlod



  
Date: 17 Oct 2008 15:46:01
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)

"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...
> On Oct 17, 11:56 am, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> And I don't have rest of game score [...]
>
> Phil,
>
> I have provided an excellent link
> in your own thread Anand v Kramnik:

here, for everyone else, was the denouement:

24...Rd8 25. Qe2 Kh6 26. Kf1 Rg8 27. a4 Bg2+ 28. Ke1 Bh3 29. Ra3 Rg1+ 30.
Kd2 Qd4+ 31. Kc2 Bg4 32. f3 Bf5+ 33. Bd3 Bh3 (Anand missed an immediate win
with 33... Bxd3+ 34. Rxd3 (34. Qxd3 Rg2+ 35. Kc1 Qxb2+ 36. Kd1 Rg1+) 34...
Qc4+ 35. Rc3)

34. a5 Rg2 35. a6 Rxe2+ 36. Bxe2 Bf5+ 37. Kb3 Qe3+ 38. Ka2 Qxe2 39. a7 Qc4+
40. Ka1 Qf1+ 41. Ka2 Bb1 + {Black wins} 0-1


> http://www.uep-worldchess.com/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Wlod
>




 
Date: 17 Oct 2008 14:56:44
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Anand-Kramnik, 3rd game. Kramnik could win with 34.Qe4! (?)

"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...
> It looks to me that Kramnik would
> win with the move:
>
> 34. Qe4
>
> It makes a mating threat 35.Qh7 mate.
> Anand would try perhaps 34... Qf2+
> but it's hopeless: 35.Kb3 etc. or
> 34... Qc5+ 35Kb3 or 34... Rg2 Kb1 etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wlod

19...h5 20. Nxe6 fxe6 21. Rxd7 Kf8 22. Qd3 Rg7 += 23.Rxg7 Kxg7 24.gxf4 +=
After 24...Rd8 Black has more than enough compensation for the 2 pawns. This
could be very dangerous for Kramnik.

And I don't have rest of game score Wlod, but looks like Susan was right
because Anand won! Phil Innes