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Date: 04 Mar 2008 23:44:06
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Dear Readers,
I'm looking for the following game
Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
which was won by Blackburne.
The historican Tony Gillam told me the following:
"I can tell you that one of the missing games, the unfinished game by
Blackburne, is in the
London magazine The Field. It was published soon after the end of the
tournament, perhaps
in late 1894."
Who can help me finding the game (needed for a book project)?
Best regards,
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 15:01:27
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Frank Gro�e wrote:
> I'm looking for the following game
>
> Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> which was won by Blackburne.
A quick check in Deutsche Schachzeitung, the September 1894 issue
where the crosstable from the tournament is published, it's clear
that v. Scheve only played out games against Mieses, Schiffers,
Seuffert, Suchting,Tarrasch and Walbrodt. All other scores are
given as lost: (0), and there's a footnote to the effect that
Scheve left after the sixth round, and that is repeated in at least
two other places in that and the following issue.
The game against Blackburne is indicated as not played. There's
a possibility, of course, that it was broken off and never resumed.
However, the DSz text says quite clearly that v. Scheve left after
the sixth round.
The source to the contrary is probably Ken Whyld's tournament
'book', where it says that the game was adjourned but never resumed,
Whyld also says that v. Scheve had completed seven(!) games, and had
started but not yet finished three other games, but I haven't found
that mentioned in DSz so far: it suggests that he broke off much
later in the tournament.
As only six are accounted for the tournament table, we have a
major discrepancy between Whyld's text and contemporary accounts.
--
Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 07:13:53
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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> On 6, 8:39=A0am, "[email protected]"<jeremy.p.spin...@va=
nderbilt.edu > wrote:
>
> > I have pretty extensive notes which I am willing to share with chess
> > researchers. If you send me an email to
>
> > spin at vuse.vanderbilt.edu
>
Just wanted to make sure you received my e-mail.
Thanks
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 05:52:38
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 6, 8:39=A0am, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I have pretty extensive notes which I am willing to share with chess
> researchers. If you send me an email to
>
> spin at vuse.vanderbilt.edu
>
> I can give you a list of sources I have notes on.
>
> Jerry Spinrad
>
That would be outstanding!! Thank you very much!!
I'll send you an e-mail momentarily. I also have an extensive book
collection on historical chess information. If I could possible be of
any assistance to you, please let me know.
Thanks again,
Morphy
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 05:39:35
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 6, 6:23=A0am, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 5, 10:54=A0pm, "[email protected]"<jeremy.p.spin...@v=
anderbilt.edu > wrote:
> > I have not used it, but someone told me it is quite good. In some
> > sense, how can it not be? I have occasional access to a similar
> > package, which is pretty amazing, and I have barely scratched the
> > surface. If you spend time with any old source, you find lots of
> > interesting material.
>
> > Jerry Spinrad
>
> I've read some of your articles on ChessCafe.com and enjoyed them very
> much.
Thanks!
>
> I'm currently doing some research of my own on various chess masters
> of the late 1800's and early 1900's. =A0It's quite a task to find
> information on some of the lesser know players of these eras. =A0Any
> tips would be greatly appreciated.
I have pretty extensive notes which I am willing to share with chess
researchers. If you send me an email to
spin at vuse.vanderbilt.edu
I can give you a list of sources I have notes on.
Jerry Spinrad
>
> Thanks,
> Morphyhttp://www.rookhouse.com
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 04:23:52
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 10:54=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> I have not used it, but someone told me it is quite good. In some
> sense, how can it not be? I have occasional access to a similar
> package, which is pretty amazing, and I have barely scratched the
> surface. If you spend time with any old source, you find lots of
> interesting material.
>
> Jerry Spinrad
>
I've read some of your articles on ChessCafe.com and enjoyed them very
much.
I'm currently doing some research of my own on various chess masters
of the late 1800's and early 1900's. It's quite a task to find
information on some of the lesser know players of these eras. Any
tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Morphy
http://www.rookhouse.com
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 19:54:59
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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I have not used it, but someone told me it is quite good. In some
sense, how can it not be? I have occasional access to a similar
package, which is pretty amazing, and I have barely scratched the
surface. If you spend time with any old source, you find lots of
interesting material.
Jerry Spinrad
On 5, 1:02=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 5, 1:51=A0pm, "[email protected]"<jeremy.p.spin...@va=
nderbilt.edu > wrote:
>
> > I am a professor, and my university subscribes to these.
>
> Nice. =A0Do you know anyone that has tried NewspaperArchive.com??
>
> It's $99.00 a year, but I don't know of anyone to ask to see if it's
> worthwhile.
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 11:19:56
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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> It's $99.00 a year, but I don't know of anyone to ask to see if it's
> worthwhile.
I would like to ask the original poster why he wants to know. why is
heafter this game?
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 21:06:51
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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"Offramp" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:ff951ebb-0050-401d-95ea-31e4772bb95e@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> > It's $99.00 a year, but I don't know of anyone to ask to see if it's
> > worthwhile.
>
> I would like to ask the original poster why he wants to know. why is
> heafter this game?
Because I've checked the archives of Leipzig and I know that about this
tournament is no book written in the old days (Schallopp doesn't write
no one). There was no hint about that game in the 7th round. I'm
thinking
about a publication about this tournament.
Best regards
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 11:02:29
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 1:51=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I am a professor, and my university subscribes to these.
>
Nice. Do you know anyone that has tried NewspaperArchive.com??
It's $99.00 a year, but I don't know of anyone to ask to see if it's
worthwhile.
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 10:51:37
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 12:20=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 5, 1:14=A0pm, "[email protected]"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I have access to the Chicago Tribune, New York Times, Washinton Post, and=
London Times on-line to answer anything that may be helpful on these.
>
> Isn't that a little costly? =A0I've seen that some of those newspapers
> charge quite a bit for archive access.
I am a professor, and my university subscribes to these.
Jerry Spinrad
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 10:20:02
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 1:14=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
>I have access to the Chicago Tribune, New York Times, Washinton Post, and L=
ondon Times on-line to answer anything that may be helpful on these.
>
Isn't that a little costly? I've seen that some of those newspapers
charge quite a bit for archive access.
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 10:14:00
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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I now believe Mr Grosse was right, and we were wrong. The Chicago
Tribune of Sept 8, 1894 says that Blackburne vs Von Scheve was a
Vienna opening, and was left unfinished. I imagine the "lost on time"
in the games mentioned by Anders might be the result of not showing up
for the sessions to finish adjourned games. He is not said to
officially withdraw until after round 10. I have access to the Chicago
Tribune, New York Times, Washinton Post, and London Times on-line to
answer anything that may be helpful on these.
Jerry Spinrad
On 5, 11:49=A0am, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Are you sure that he didn't also play Janowski?
>
> =A0 =A0There's an inconsistency in the DSz crosstable over that game:
> one box has '(0)', the other '1'. =A0I would now guess that the
> long row of '(0)'s may have made the typesetter lose his place
> in the v. Scheve-row, and set '(0)' instead of '0'. I find
> no game score in DSz for this game.
>
> =A0 =A0So, include Janowski in the list of played games.
>
> =A0 =A0When I compare with Whyld's crosstable, I find another difference.
> The following games are given as forfeited by DSz but lost by
> Whyld (in the crosstable):
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DSz =A0 =A0 Whyld
> =A0 =A0Baird: =A0 =A0 =A0 (0) =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 round 8 (Saturday 8th)=
- lost on time
> =A0 =A0Blackburne: =A0(0) =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 round 7 (Friday 7th) - los=
t on time
> =A0 =A0co: =A0 =A0 =A0 (0) =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 round 10 (Monday 10th)=
- lost on time[???]
>
> =A0 =A0However, in the text, game 84 (von Scheve - co) is said to have
> been forfeited. (Gaige lists all of them as scored by forfeit.)
>
> =A0 =A0Hm. I wonder what *three* games were lost on time (according to Why=
ld).
> Or should it only have been two? And also what the arrangements were for
> finishing adjourned games?
>
> =A0 =A0An odd thing is that Whyld gives the Schiffers - v. Scheve game
> (round 9) as won by Schiffers. Now, if v. Scheve left after the
> 6th round (as per DSz) we should not have partial scores from
> later rounds. To make the scores OK, he must have left after the
> 9th round, possibly even the 10th, depending on how the game against
> co was scored -- forfeit by nonappearance or lost on time on
> resumption.
>
> =A0 =A0DSz is probably wrong about leaving after 6th round: I find the gam=
e
> against Schiffers as game 5744 (p. 302) clearly labelled as played
> in the 9th round. I suspect they assumed their own crosstable was
> correct [it lists 6 played games in the v. Scheve row, as they also missed=
> the Janowski game], forgot about adjourned games, and concluded he must
> have left after the sixth was played, hence after the sixth round.
>
> =A0 =A0L. Hoffer was present -- thus, there should be accounts in
> Chess Monthly (there is: Gaige gives that as source) and the Times
> to cross-check with. S. Tinsley was also present, so the Field should
> have some information as well.
>
> --
> Anders Thulin =A0 =A0 anders*thulin.name =A0 =A0http://www.anders.thulin.n=
ame/
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 21:04:39
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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"[email protected]" <[email protected] >
wrote in message
news:[email protected]:
> I now believe Mr Grosse was right, and we were wrong. The Chicago
> Tribune of Sept 8, 1894 says that Blackburne vs Von Scheve was a
> Vienna opening, and was left unfinished. I imagine the "lost on time"
> in the games mentioned by Anders might be the result of not showing up
> for the sessions to finish adjourned games. He is not said to
> officially withdraw until after round 10. I have access to the Chicago
> Tribune, New York Times, Washinton Post, and London Times on-line to
> answer anything that may be helpful on these.
Would be great if you can verify this and maybe get the notation.
Best regards,
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 07:46:53
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 9:01=A0am, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Frank Gro=DFe wrote:
> > I'm looking for the following game
>
> > Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> > from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> > which was won by Blackburne.
>
> =A0 =A0A quick check in Deutsche Schachzeitung, the September 1894 issue
> where the crosstable from the tournament is published, it's clear
> that v. Scheve only played out games against Mieses, Schiffers,
> Seuffert, Suchting,Tarrasch and Walbrodt. All other scores are
> given as lost: (0), and there's a footnote to the effect that
> Scheve left after the sixth round, and that is repeated in at least
> two other places in that and the following issue.
Are you sure that he didn't also play Janowski?This appears both in a
London Times report of the round, and in a crosstable from the London
Times around the time Von Scheve withdrew. The London Times report on
round 7 (Sept 10) does not list any game of Von Scheve, but that is
consistent both with having an unfinished game, and a game postponed
due to illness. His official retirement from the tournament is not
reported until the next day when they report on rounds 10-11 (reports
on rounds sometimes came in put of order).
Jerry Spinrad
>
> =A0 =A0The game against Blackburne is indicated as not played. There's
> a possibility, of course, that it was broken off and never resumed.
> However, the DSz text says quite clearly that v. Scheve left after
> the sixth round.
Strangely, the Lond
>
> =A0 =A0The source to the contrary is probably Ken Whyld's tournament
> 'book', where it says that the game was adjourned but never resumed,
> Whyld also says that v. Scheve had completed seven(!) games, and had
> started but not yet finished three other games, but I haven't found
> that mentioned in DSz so far: it suggests that he broke off much
> later in the tournament.
>
> =A0 =A0As only six are accounted for the tournament table, we have a
> major discrepancy between Whyld's text and contemporary accounts.
>
> --
> Anders Thulin =A0 =A0 anders*thulin.name =A0 =A0http://www.anders.thulin.n=
ame/
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 17:49:43
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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[email protected] wrote:
> Are you sure that he didn't also play Janowski?
There's an inconsistency in the DSz crosstable over that game:
one box has '(0)', the other '1'. I would now guess that the
long row of '(0)'s may have made the typesetter lose his place
in the v. Scheve-row, and set '(0)' instead of '0'. I find
no game score in DSz for this game.
So, include Janowski in the list of played games.
When I compare with Whyld's crosstable, I find another difference.
The following games are given as forfeited by DSz but lost by
Whyld (in the crosstable):
DSz Whyld
Baird: (0) 0 round 8 (Saturday 8th) - lost on time
Blackburne: (0) 0 round 7 (Friday 7th) - lost on time
co: (0) 0 round 10 (Monday 10th) - lost on time[???]
However, in the text, game 84 (von Scheve - co) is said to have
been forfeited. (Gaige lists all of them as scored by forfeit.)
Hm. I wonder what *three* games were lost on time (according to Whyld).
Or should it only have been two? And also what the arrangements were for
finishing adjourned games?
An odd thing is that Whyld gives the Schiffers - v. Scheve game
(round 9) as won by Schiffers. Now, if v. Scheve left after the
6th round (as per DSz) we should not have partial scores from
later rounds. To make the scores OK, he must have left after the
9th round, possibly even the 10th, depending on how the game against
co was scored -- forfeit by nonappearance or lost on time on
resumption.
DSz is probably wrong about leaving after 6th round: I find the game
against Schiffers as game 5744 (p. 302) clearly labelled as played
in the 9th round. I suspect they assumed their own crosstable was
correct [it lists 6 played games in the v. Scheve row, as they also missed
the Janowski game], forgot about adjourned games, and concluded he must
have left after the sixth was played, hence after the sixth round.
L. Hoffer was present -- thus, there should be accounts in
Chess Monthly (there is: Gaige gives that as source) and the Times
to cross-check with. S. Tinsley was also present, so the Field should
have some information as well.
--
Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 07:46:34
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 10:42=A0am, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
The players that Von Scheve forfeited to are as follows:
Blackburne - (Round 7)
co - (Round 10)
Lipke - (Round 11)
Schlechter - (Round 12)
Berger - (Round 13)
Zinkl - (Round 14)
Teichmann - (Round 15)
Mason - (Round 16)
De Weydlich - (Round 17)
Thanks,
Morphy
http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 07:42:44
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 10:01=A0am, Anders Thulin <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Frank Gro=DFe wrote:
> > I'm looking for the following game
>
> > Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> > from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> > which was won by Blackburne.
>
> =A0 =A0A quick check in Deutsche Schachzeitung, the September 1894 issue
> where the crosstable from the tournament is published, it's clear
> that v. Scheve only played out games against Mieses, Schiffers,
> Seuffert, Suchting,Tarrasch and Walbrodt. All other scores are
> given as lost: (0), and there's a footnote to the effect that
> Scheve left after the sixth round, and that is repeated in at least
> two other places in that and the following issue.
>
> =A0 =A0The game against Blackburne is indicated as not played. There's
> a possibility, of course, that it was broken off and never resumed.
> However, the DSz text says quite clearly that v. Scheve left after
> the sixth round.
>
> =A0 =A0The source to the contrary is probably Ken Whyld's tournament
> 'book', where it says that the game was adjourned but never resumed,
> Whyld also says that v. Scheve had completed seven(!) games, and had
> started but not yet finished three other games, but I haven't found
> that mentioned in DSz so far: it suggests that he broke off much
> later in the tournament.
>
> =A0 =A0As only six are accounted for the tournament table, we have a
> major discrepancy between Whyld's text and contemporary accounts.
>
A user on the website ChessGames.com made the statement last year in
regard to Von Scheve having a bout of insomnia during that tournament.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=3D39143
Listed below are the 8 games that Von Scheve actually played in the
tournament:
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Walbrodt, Carl August"]
[Black "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "C80"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5
8.Nxe5 Nxe5
9.dxe5 Be6 10.Be3 Bc5 11.Qd3 Bxe3 12.Qxe3 Qe7 13.a4 O-O 14.Nd2 Nxd2
15.Qxd2 c5
16.c3 Rab8 17.axb5 axb5 18.Bc2 c4 19.f4 f5 20.exf6 Qc5+ 21.Kh1 Rxf6
22.Ra6 Rbf8
23.Qe1 Bd7 24.Rxf6 Rxf6 25.Qh4 h6 26.h3 Bc6 27.Qg4 Qe3 28.Bg6 Qe6
29.f5 Qe3
30.Rf3 Qe4 31.Qg3 d4 32.cxd4 Qb1+ 33.Kh2 Bxf3 34.Qxf3 Rxg6 35.fxg6
Qxg6 36.Qd5+ Qf7
37.Qxb5 1/2-1/2
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Black "Mieses, Jacques"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "C84"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Be7 6.O-O d6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6
8.d4 exd4
9.Nxd4 Bd7 10.f4 O-O 11.Qd3 Qb8 12.h3 c5 13.Nf3 Bb5 14.Nxb5 Qxb5 15.c4
Qc6
16.e5 Nd7 17.b3 Rad8 18.Bb2 Nb6 19.Rad1 Rfe8 20.Qf5 Qd7 21.Qc2 Qc8
22.Rde1 d5
23.cxd5 Nxd5 24.Qc4 Qf5 25.Bc1 h5 26.Re2 Nb4 27.e6 Nd3 28.Ng5 f6
29.Nf3 Rd6
30.Bd2 Qd5 31.Qxd5 Rxd5 32.g4 hxg4 33.hxg4 f5 34.g5 Bd6 35.Nh4 Kh7
36.Rf3 Kg8
37.Rh3 g6 38.Nxg6 Kg7 39.Bc3+ Rd4 40.Bxd4+ cxd4 41.Rxd3 Kxg6 42.Rf3 d3
43.Rxd3 Bxf4
44.Rd4 1-0
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Suechting, Hugo"]
[Black "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "B45"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Be3 Bb4 7.Bd3 d5
8.exd5 exd5
9.O-O O-O 10.Nce2 Ne5 11.c3 Nxd3 12.Qxd3 Bd6 13.Nf5 Ng4 14.Nxd6 Qxd6
15.Bf4 Qb6
16.b3 Be6 17.h3 Nf6 18.Be5 Nd7 19.Qg3 Nxe5 20.Qxe5 Rfe8 21.Qh5 Rac8
22.Qf3 Qa5
23.Rfd1 Rc6 24.Rd2 Rec8 25.Rad1 g6 26.Qf4 Qc7 27.Qh4 Qe5 28.Qh6 Qg7
29.Qf4 h6
30.Rd3 b5 31.Rd4 Kh7 32.Qd2 g5 33.Qd3+ Qg6 34.Qxb5 Rc5 35.Qd3 Bf5
36.Qe3 g4
37.h4 Be4 38.c4 f5 39.Nf4 Qf6 40.Nxd5 Qxh4 41.Nf4 Re5 42.Rd7+ Re7
43.Qxa7 Re8
44.Rxe7+ Rxe7 45.Rd7 Rxd7 46.Qxd7+ Kg8 47.Qe8+ 1-0
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Black "Seuffert, Paul Klemens"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "A84"]
1.d4 f5 2.c4 b6 3.Nc3 Bb7 4.Bf4 Nf6 5.Nf3 e6 6.h3 Be7 7.e3 O-O 8.Bd3
d6 9.Qb3 Qd7
10.Rd1 Ne4 11.h4 a5 12.Qc2 Nxc3 13.bxc3 Bxf3 14.gxf3 Na6 15.Ke2 Qc6
16.Bg5 Rf7
17.d5 exd5 18.cxd5 Qd7 19.Bxe7 Qxe7 20.Bxf5 Nc5 21.Bxh7+ Kh8 22.Bg6
Rf6 23.h5 Raf8
24.h6 1-0
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tarrasch, Siegbert"]
[Black "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "D37"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Bf4 c6 6.e3 Nbd7 7.h3 Ne4 8.Nxe4
dxe4
9.Nd2 Bb4 10.a3 Bxd2+ 11.Qxd2 O-O 12.Qc2 f5 13.Bd6 Re8 14.O-O-O Nf6
15.Be5 Bd7
16.f3 exf3 17.gxf3 b5 18.Rg1 Rf8 19.Rd2 Rf7 20.Rdg2 a5 21.Qf2 Ne8
22.Rg5 Qe7
23.Qh4 Nf6 24.Qh6 Ra7 25.Bd6 Qxd6 26.Rxg7+ Kf8 27.Rxh7+ Ke7 28.Rxf7+
Kxf7
29.Rg7+ Ke8 30.Qxf6 1-0
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Black "Janowsky, Dawid kelowicz"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "C30"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nf3 d6 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bc4 O-O 6.d3 c6 7.Bb3 a5 8.a3
Nbd7
9.Qe2 Re8 10.f5 d5 11.Bg5 a4 12.Ba2 Qb6 13.Rb1 dxe4 14.dxe4 Qa7 15.Bh4
b5
16.Ng5 Rf8 17.Ne6 fxe6 18.fxe6 Kh8 19.exd7 Bxd7 20.h3 Be8 21.Rd1 Bg6
22.Rf1 Nh5
23.g4 Nf4 24.Qf3 h6 25.Kd2 b4 26.axb4 Bxb4 27.Bc4 a3 28.Bf2 Qa5 29.Ra1
Rab8
30.Rxa3 Rbd8+ 31.Bd3 Bxa3 32.bxa3 Nxd3 33.Qxf8+ Rxf8 0-1
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Black "Baird, John Washington"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "D02"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nd7 3.Bf4 Ngf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 h6 6.Bg3 Be7 7.Nbd2 Nh5
8.c4 Nxg3
9.hxg3 Bf6 10.Qb3 c6 11.Rd1 Qb6 12.g4 Qxb3 13.Nxb3 dxc4 14.Bxc4 Nb6
15.Bd3 g5
16.Nc5 Nd5 17.e4 Nf4 18.e5 Bg7 19.g3 Nxd3+ 20.Rxd3 b6 21.Ne4 Ke7
22.Nd6 Bd7
23.Nd2 c5 24.f4 Bc6 25.Rh2 cxd4 26.Rxd4 f6 27.N2c4 Rad8 28.Re2 fxe5
29.fxe5 Rhf8
30.Rc2 Bd7 31.Rcd2 b5 32.Na5 Bxe5 33.R4d3 b4 34.Nab7 Rb8 35.Nf5+ exf5
36.Rxd7+ Kf6
37.Kf2 fxg4 38.Nc5 Kg6+ 39.Kg2 Rf3 40.R2d3 Rc8 41.R7d5 Rxc5 42.Rxc5
Rxd3
43.Rxe5 Rd2+ 44.Kg1 Rxb2 45.Ra5 b3 0-1
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Schiffers, Emanuel Stepanovich"]
[Black "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "C84"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Be7 6.O-O d6 7.d4 exd4
8.Nxd4 Bd7
9.Bg5 b5 10.Nxc6 Bxc6 11.Bb3 O-O 12.f3 h6 13.Be3 Bb7 14.a4 Qd7 15.Qd2
c5
16.axb5 axb5 17.e5 b4 18.Rxa8 Bxa8 19.exf6 bxc3 20.bxc3 Bxf6 21.Bxc5
Rd8
22.Bd4 Bg5 23.f4 Bh4 24.f5 Qc6 25.Qe2 Re8 26.Qg4 Bg5 27.h4 Re4 28.Qh5
Re7
29.Rf2 Bf4 30.Qg6 Re1+ 31.Rf1 Rxf1+ 32.Kxf1 Qxg2+ 33.Qxg2 Bxg2+
34.Kxg2 1-0
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Date: 04 Mar 2008 17:51:11
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Which games are considered missing? As pointed out by others,
Blackburne-Von Scheve is not such a game, but I am curious as to
whether there are games missing. I have a number of games from sources
of the time, but I think these sources would not be sufficiently
obscure as to contain missing games.
Jerry Spinrad
On 4, 5:44=A0pm, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected] > wrote:
> Dear Readers,
>
> I'm looking for the following game
>
> Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> which was won by Blackburne.
>
> The historican Tony Gillam told me the following:
>
> "I can tell you that one of the missing games, the unfinished game by
> Blackburne, is in the
> London magazine The Field. It was published soon after the end of the
> tournament, perhaps
> in late 1894."
>
> Who can help me finding the game (needed for a book project)?
>
> Best regards,
> Frank Gro=DFe
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 19:30:12
From: mudshark
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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[email protected] wrote:
.
> No reason for the forfeitures is given; one would presume illness.
Let us presume in all kindness that the proto-nazi scum von scheve was
in fact ill. It's my belief that the Russo/Americo pact of 1945 defined
& delineated _all_ leading stories to the ineluctable defeat of nazism..
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 06:00:52
From:
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 1:17=A0am, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> can you please give a source who is telling that von Scheve was
> forfeiting
> this game? I'm just searching for the game
>
> Blackburne - von Scheve, Rounde 7, Leipzig 1894
One source, and almost always a very accurate one, is Jeremy Gaige's
"Chess Tournament Crosstables." For Leipzig 1894, Gaige's crosstable,
taken from The Chess Monthly, shows von Scheve forfeiting 10 of his 17
scheduled games. He actually played only Tarrasch, Walbrodt, Janowski,
Schiffers, Mieses, S=FCchting and Seuffert, scoring +2 -4 =3D1, while
forfeiting to Lipke, Teichmann, Blackburne, co, Berger, Schlechter,
Baird, Zinkl, Mason, and Weydlich.
No reason for the forfeitures is given; one would presume illness.
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 14:43:14
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 6, 5:29=A0pm, "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Perhaps this will help. The Chicago Tribune mentions 3 games of von
> Scheve being adjourned. Rd 7 vs Blackburne, a Vienna Game (Sept 8, pg
> 7), Rd 8 vs Baird, a QP opening (Sept 9, pg 5), Rd 10 vs co, a
> Vienna Game (Sept 11, pg 8).
>
> I could check other sources to confirm, but I imagine the answers will
> be the same. Do you have any of these games?
>
This is the recorded game from the 8th round against Baird. I do not
know if it was adjourned or not.
Hope it helps.
[Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "1894.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
[Black "Baird, John Washington"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo ""]
[BlackElo ""]
[ECO "D02"]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nd7 3.Bf4 Ngf6 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 h6 6.Bg3 Be7 7.Nbd2 Nh5
8.c4 Nxg3
9.hxg3 Bf6 10.Qb3 c6 11.Rd1 Qb6 12.g4 Qxb3 13.Nxb3 dxc4 14.Bxc4 Nb6
15.Bd3 g5
16.Nc5 Nd5 17.e4 Nf4 18.e5 Bg7 19.g3 Nxd3+ 20.Rxd3 b6 21.Ne4 Ke7
22.Nd6 Bd7
23.Nd2 c5 24.f4 Bc6 25.Rh2 cxd4 26.Rxd4 f6 27.N2c4 Rad8 28.Re2 fxe5
29.fxe5 Rhf8
30.Rc2 Bd7 31.Rcd2 b5 32.Na5 Bxe5 33.R4d3 b4 34.Nab7 Rb8 35.Nf5+ exf5
36.Rxd7+ Kf6
37.Kf2 fxg4 38.Nc5 Kg6+ 39.Kg2 Rf3 40.R2d3 Rc8 41.R7d5 Rxc5 42.Rxc5
Rxd3
43.Rxe5 Rd2+ 44.Kg1 Rxb2 45.Ra5 b3 0-1
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Date: 07 Mar 2008 20:59:43
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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"RookHouse" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:7c86d3f7-1888-4511-b42d-ddb7702fcdaa@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> This is the recorded game from the 8th round against Baird. I do not
> know if it was adjourned or not.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> [Event "DSB-09.Kongress"]
> [Site "Leipzig"]
> [Date "1894.??.??"]
> [Round "8"]
> [White "Von Scheve, Theodor"]
> [Black "Baird, John Washington"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> [WhiteElo ""]
> [BlackElo ""]
> [ECO "D02"]
<snip >
"Adjourned and unfinished when von Scheve retired" after 45... b3 is the
comment in the Whyld-book.
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 14:29:31
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 6, 3:00=A0pm, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected] > wrote:
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:d0e78444-fd65-471a-be21-cc1350b43fcd@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > =A0 One source, and almost always a very accurate one, is Jeremy Gaige's=
> > "Chess Tournament Crosstables." For Leipzig 1894, Gaige's crosstable,
> > taken from The Chess Monthly, shows von Scheve forfeiting 10 of his 17
> > scheduled games. He actually played only Tarrasch, Walbrodt, Janowski,
> > Schiffers, Mieses, S=FCchting and Seuffert, scoring +2 -4 =3D1, while
> > forfeiting to Lipke, Teichmann, Blackburne, co, Berger, Schlechter,
> > Baird, Zinkl, Mason, and Weydlich.
>
> I've checked now "Leipzig 1894", the tiny book edited by Ken Whyld and
> you are right. There is the following passage:
>
> "The rules of the tournament were that if a player had played more than
> half of his games, his score should stand and his remaining games be
> forfeited, but otherwise his whole score should be cancelled. This gave
> the committee difficulty because von Scheve had competed seven games and
> three started but incomplete. The committee decided that the tree un-
> finished would be considered as lost on time ..."
>
> Inside the book I cannot find any hint which 3 games are considered as
Perhaps this will help. The Chicago Tribune mentions 3 games of von
Scheve being adjourned. Rd 7 vs Blackburne, a Vienna Game (Sept 8, pg
7), Rd 8 vs Baird, a QP opening (Sept 9, pg 5), Rd 10 vs co, a
Vienna Game (Sept 11, pg 8).
I could check other sources to confirm, but I imagine the answers will
be the same. Do you have any of these games?
Jerry Spinrad
> lost on time.
>
> Regards,
> Frank Gro=DFe
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Date: 06 Mar 2008 21:00:38
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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"[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:d0e78444-fd65-471a-be21-cc1350b43fcd@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> One source, and almost always a very accurate one, is Jeremy Gaige's
> "Chess Tournament Crosstables." For Leipzig 1894, Gaige's crosstable,
> taken from The Chess Monthly, shows von Scheve forfeiting 10 of his 17
> scheduled games. He actually played only Tarrasch, Walbrodt, Janowski,
> Schiffers, Mieses, S�chting and Seuffert, scoring +2 -4 =1, while
> forfeiting to Lipke, Teichmann, Blackburne, co, Berger, Schlechter,
> Baird, Zinkl, Mason, and Weydlich.
I've checked now "Leipzig 1894", the tiny book edited by Ken Whyld and
you are right. There is the following passage:
"The rules of the tournament were that if a player had played more than
half of his games, his score should stand and his remaining games be
forfeited, but otherwise his whole score should be cancelled. This gave
the committee difficulty because von Scheve had competed seven games and
three started but incomplete. The committee decided that the tree un-
finished would be considered as lost on time ..."
Inside the book I cannot find any hint which 3 games are considered as
lost on time.
Regards,
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 07 Mar 2008 14:42:01
From: Anders Thulin
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Frank Gro�e wrote:
> Inside the book I cannot find any hint which 3 games are considered as
> lost on time.
p. 29, column 1, game 58. Clearly stated to be lost on time.
p. 32, column 2, game 67. Not quite as clear, but highly probable.
The third games remain elusive.
Of you compare the crosstable Whyld gives with that given in Gaige, for
instance, you'll find further hints.
--
Anders Thulin anders*thulin.name http://www.anders.thulin.name/
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 03:05:51
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 1:17=A0am, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]=
legroups.com:
>
> > Which games are considered missing? =A0As pointed out by others,
> > Blackburne-Von Scheve is not such a game, but I am curious as to
> > whether there are games missing. I have a number of games from sources
> > of the time, but I think these sources would not be sufficiently
> > obscure as to contain missing games.
>
> can you please give a source who is telling that von Scheve was
> forfeiting
> this game? I'm just searching for the game
>
> Blackburne - von Scheve, Rounde 7, Leipzig 1894
>
First, have you noticed that Round 7 is not the only game that Von
Scheve did not play at 1894 Leipzig?
That there is no documented game of him in rounds 10 through 17??
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 06:17:03
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Hello,
"[email protected]" <[email protected] >
wrote in message
news:41108312-721c-4491-9406-15d3be812797@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Which games are considered missing? As pointed out by others,
> Blackburne-Von Scheve is not such a game, but I am curious as to
> whether there are games missing. I have a number of games from sources
> of the time, but I think these sources would not be sufficiently
> obscure as to contain missing games.
can you please give a source who is telling that von Scheve was
forfeiting
this game? I'm just searching for the game
Blackburne - von Scheve, Rounde 7, Leipzig 1894
Regards,
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 04 Mar 2008 16:38:42
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 4, 6:44=A0pm, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected] > wrote:
> Dear Readers,
>
> I'm looking for the following game
>
> Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> which was won by Blackburne.
>
> The historican Tony Gillam told me the following:
>
> "I can tell you that one of the missing games, the unfinished game by
> Blackburne, is in the
> London magazine The Field. It was published soon after the end of the
> tournament, perhaps
> in late 1894."
>
> Who can help me finding the game (needed for a book project)?
>
> Best regards,
> Frank Gro=DFe
Von Scheve suffered from insomnia throughout the 1894 Leipzig
tournament. He forfeited Game 7 and then tried to tough it out by
playing Games 8 & 9 (losing both). He then withdrew from the
tournament and did not play games 10 through 17.
Thanks,
Morphy
http://www.rookhouse.com
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Date: 05 Mar 2008 06:15:39
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frank=20Gro=DFe?=
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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Hello,
"RookHouse" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]:
> Von Scheve suffered from insomnia throughout the 1894 Leipzig
> tournament. He forfeited Game 7 and then tried to tough it out by
> playing Games 8 & 9 (losing both). He then withdrew from the
> tournament and did not play games 10 through 17.
Which source?
Regards,
Frank Gro�e
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Date: 04 Mar 2008 17:33:14
From: Offramp
Subject: Re: Blackburne-Game from 1894 searched
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On 5, 12:38 am, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 4, 6:44 pm, Frank Gro=DFe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear Readers,
>
> > I'm looking for the following game
>
> > Blackburne, Joseph Henry - Von Scheve, Theodor
>
> > from the 9th DSB-Kongress in Leipzig, round 7 from the year 1894,
> > which was won by Blackburne.
>
> > The historican Tony Gillam told me the following:
>
> > "I can tell you that one of the missing games, the unfinished game by
> > Blackburne, is in the
> > London magazine The Field. It was published soon after the end of the
> > tournament, perhaps
> > in late 1894."
>
> > Who can help me finding the game (needed for a book project)?
>
> > Best regards,
> > Frank Gro=DFe
>
> Von Scheve suffered from insomnia throughout the 1894 Leipzig
> tournament. He forfeited Game 7 and then tried to tough it out by
> playing Games 8 & 9 (losing both). He then withdrew from the
> tournament and did not play games 10 through 17.
It's unusual that The Field should have published a forfeited game. It
must have been a slow news week.
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