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Date: 07 May 2008 00:01:48
From: Sanny
Subject: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
$19.95.

So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.

Look here: http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=126

Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!

How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?

Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????

Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
money to those who help me.

When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?

If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
GetClubs Normal Level?.

$100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
Million Copies of GetClub Chess.

Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
Business !!!

Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....

Bye
Sanny




 
Date: 15 May 2008 07:01:51
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
Keep in mind that if you ignore Chastling you will Loose.


 
Date: 15 May 2008 13:00:51
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much



Sanny wrote:

>So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000.

You got cheated. You threw your money away. GetClub Chess
isn't worth $750.

>How earn the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.

You keep ignoring the answer, because you are stupid.

Stop asking the question if you will not accept the answer,
Stupid Sanny!




 
Date: 14 May 2008 22:41:12
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 15, 12:33=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On May 10, 5:16=A0pm, Morten Skarstad <`whoami`@localhost> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial=

> >chessproduct for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
> > but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
> > engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
> > five GMs giving tutorials and advice.
>
> > And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
> > would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p- Hide quoted=
text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Indeed. It takes money to make money.
>
> If I remember correctly, the typical cost of the development and
> marketing of one version of Chessmaster was around $750,000. That was
> for CM8 and CM9, so the numbers might be bigger (or smaller) now --
> but not by much.
>
> jm

So Cost of designing GetClub Chess is also arround $750,000. How earn
the money I have spent in designing it is a big question.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


  
Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much


 
Date: 14 May 2008 12:33:20
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 10, 5:16=A0pm, Morten Skarstad <`whoami`@localhost > wrote:
>
> I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial
> chess product for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
> but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
> engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
> five GMs giving tutorials and advice.
>
> And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
> would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Indeed. It takes money to make money.

If I remember correctly, the typical cost of the development and
marketing of one version of Chessmaster was around $750,000. That was
for CM8 and CM9, so the numbers might be bigger (or smaller) now --
but not by much.

jm


 
Date: 12 May 2008 19:18:57
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 5:23 pm, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]m>,
>
> Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What are the things that GetClub is missing other than play Strength?
>
> I went to getclub.com once.
>
> The user interface is ugly, made of dozens of colors and hundreds of
> text fields. The text that clutters your UI reads like your newsgroup
> posts. You -- or someone who'll redo your UI for you -- must understand
> how to write in English, and that in UI design 'less is more'.
>
> The chessboard didn't fully render. No one will return to your chess
> application if they can't see the chessboard the first time. When I
> clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft, which I could
> not determine how to turn off.
>
> The buttons in the chessboard field flicker. So the design of your app
> is weak on the front end *and* on the back.

Do you count the flying chess pieces on the website in all this?
Wait, maybe the flying chess pieces have little tiny jet engines,
which explains why they fly around and the aircraft noise.

- Rich


 
Date: 12 May 2008 19:16:16
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.
On May 8, 12:44 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> One thing I found was that GetClub was very costly compared to
> ChessMaster. So I have reduced the Price of Subscription at GetClub by
> half.
>
> Now, I feel I will get a lot of Customers.
>
> Here is the new Current Rate of Subscription.
>
> http://www.getclub.com/PurchaseGames.html

Did you sign an agreement with Bugs Bunny to endorse your game? If
so, isn't Warner Bros. going to be upset at Bugs moonlighting on your
website?

Free tip number 3: You need to SERIOUSLY get far more professional in
how you act on here, and with your website, before anyone happens to
want to pay you money for anything. This includes the killing of the
flying chess pieces that make me think I am doing chess skeet shooting
on your website. This professionalism goes down to learning there is
a chess game out there, with some notability and following that had
the same name as a chess variant you proposed.

If I am keep giving you input like this, you are going to get a bill
from me.

- Rich


 
Date: 12 May 2008 19:10:30
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 11:46 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> > Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
> > mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yes I understand a lot of things are needed to sell large number of
> Copies. And there is a lot of Competition in this Market.
>
> If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
> GetClub?
>
> GetClub is much improved now, Is ChessMaster still stronger than
> GetClub Chess?
>
> Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
> missing other than play Strength?

Several things:
1. Study Marketing 101.
2. Don't post on chess newsgroups asking people for advice how to sell
your chess game.

Want to know what the issue is with a chess game? How about strength
of play kept getting pushed OVER AND OVER, when it keeps beating 90%
of the chess players in the world, so there are diminishing returns.

I will give you a free tip here: Think how you can produce a chess
program people feel the need to buy every year. In other words, what
Chessmaster used to be.

Second tip: Can you provide a program that is documented to, in a fun
way, improve the chess of people play? If so, you may be on to
something.

There, that is all the freebies you will get from me. Now stop asking
people here how they can help sell your program. If you want me to
tell you more, I am going to have to bill you. Shorthand, you need to
make it worth my while.

- Rich


 
Date: 11 May 2008 02:16:01
From: Morten Skarstad
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
Sanny skrev:
> I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> $19.95.
>
> So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
> Look here: http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=126
>
> Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
> How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
>
> Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
> Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
> money to those who help me.
>
> When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
>
> If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
> GetClubs Normal Level?.
>
> $100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
> Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
>
> Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
> tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
> Business !!!
>
> Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
> ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....

I don't think you're getting the point about CM, or any other commercial
chess product for that matter. First, CM is not made by one "creator",
but by a team of multiple programmers, where one is dedicated to the
engine alone, various designers, testers, not to mention no less than
five GMs giving tutorials and advice.

And even if I could sell the work of one man for five million dollars I
would be off and do it myself, not tell you how to do it :p


 
Date: 08 May 2008 11:23:21
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.
1) Your program does not play a legal game of chess

2) Just to be clear your program does not obey ALL
of the rules of chess

3) Since this seems difficult for you to comprehend,
your program cheats

4) Your game has a terrible interface. You can
download innumerabvle free chess programs for
examples of a better interface. I strongly suggest
that you do just that.

5) You want to charge people a recurring fee while
the Chessmaster program you refer to can play as
many games as the purchaser would care to for
so long as the customer owns it, most likely a
decade or even more if they care to.

6) Not only do you want to charge but you fail to
realize that anyone who cares to can obtain a
program for FREE which plays by the rules, has
a vastly better interface, can support actual time
controls, doesn't have to play the internet version
of postal chess to play a remotely acceptable
game and is capable of beating GitClub like a
rented mule at ANY time control.

7) And last but certainly not least chosing any of
the free or commercial programs negates the
need to visit one of the most anoying and poorly
designed websites that I have ever encountered.

The ONLY even remotely useful thing about your
oprogram is that it is a Java app and therefore can
be run in a browser without requiring that any code
be installed allowing some people to bypass their
cumpanies policys regarding unauthorized software
installation and thereby playing when they are
supposed to be working.


 
Date: 07 May 2008 21:44:08
From: Sanny
Subject: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.
One thing I found was that GetClub was very costly compared to
ChessMaster. So I have reduced the Price of Subscription at GetClub by
half.

Now, I feel I will get a lot of Customers.

Here is the new Current Rate of Subscription.

http://www.getclub.com/PurchaseGames.html

Subscription Package Number of Games Price Purchase Link
1) - 3 Months (Play 120 Games) US$ 5.00
2) - 6 Months (Play 300 Games) US$ 10.00
3) - 1 Year (Play 600 Games) US$ 20.00

So now you can get 1 year Subscription for Just $20.00

And 6 months Subscription for Just $10.00

And 3 months Subscription for just $5.00

Now, I think more people will purchase Subscriptions at GetClub as the
Price has been Halfed and it is very cheap to play at GetClub and
everyone could afford playing at GetClub.

I hope this price reduction will bring a lot of new customers.

Earlier 1 year Subscription was for $50.00 now it is just for $20.00
So its as cheap as a toy.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html






  
Date: 08 May 2008 12:08:30
From:
Subject: Re: GetClub reduced Subscription fees by half.



Sanny wrote:

>One thing I found was that GetClub was very costly compared to
>ChessMaster. So I have reduced the Price of Subscription at GetClub by
>half.
>
>Now, I feel I will get a lot of Customers.

No!

No new customers for you!

You are too stupid to get a lot of customers.

Reducing the Price of Subscription at GetClub
is step SIX on the road to a wealthy Sanny.

You must start with step ONE!.

Step one is: stop spamming.

Nobody trusts a spammer.

Nobody sends money to a spammer.

You are a spammer, so no money for you!

Spammers are stupid. You are stupid.

You are too stupid to stop spamming.

You are too stupid to make money.

No money for Stupid Sanny!!

No money for Stupid Spammer Sanny!!!





 
Date: 07 May 2008 21:35:24
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
> You'll never get an audience to pay you $100 million as long as your
> language skills -- in print and in code -- are unacceptable.

Please tell me the Sentences which are wrong and what should be in
place of them.

On Page http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

What should be the design of this page what style should it be that UI
looks great.

What are the things that should be removed?

Test looks like newsgroup do you think I should remove those text then
what should be written in place?

Looks like your Suggestions will help me improve the GetClub Chess.

What else can be done to make GetClub work as good as ChessMaster.

Bye
Sanny








 
Date: 07 May 2008 14:35:06
From: SBD
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 10:46 am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
> GetClub?

About a thousand rating points, which you should be able to make up,
given your current progress in no less than 100 years. Of course chess
will be solved by then, so your program will be as worthless then as
now.


> Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
> missing other than play Strength?

Does anyone have it? Are you serious? Didn't you just say a million
copies have been sold? Then I bet more than a few people own it.

But step one -


It plays a legal game of chess.


 
Date: 07 May 2008 17:38:51
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much



Sanny wrote:

>Do you have any idea why people are reluctant to buy? They just play a
>few games for free and leave?

Nobody gives money to spammers.

Chessmaster does not spam, so people send money.

Sanny does spam, so no money for Sanny.

There are other steps that are needed to become rich.

I will reveal step two after you take step one.

Step one is to stop spamming.

Spamming = no money.




 
Date: 07 May 2008 17:35:43
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much


Sanny wrote:
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> You are too stupid to listen, so no $100 Million Dollars for you!
>
>Tell me I will Listen.

Liar.

>Make money. You are too stupid to understand this.
>
>Thats what I am asking HOW??? GetClub Program plays much strong games
>but I am not earning anything? People just want to play for free.

You must take the first step.

The first step is to stop spamming.

>ChessMaster Sold 5 million copies tell me some way to sell atleast
>100,000 Copies. What are the things that should be added to the
>Program to make it atleast as good as ChessMaster?

There are many steps to selling 100,000 Copies.

You are too stupid to take the first step.

The first step is to stop spamming.

>When I have created such a strong program why I am unable to sell it?

No person will buy from a spammer.

You are a spammer, so no person will buy from you.

You kust stop spamming, no $100 Million Dollars for you!

>What are the places from where the people Buy the Product?

Not from spammers! You must first stop spamming!

>What should be the Price of GetClub Chess?

Setting the price is step five.

You need to take step one first.

Step one is to stop spamming.

>Are Current Prices a bit high?

Deciding if the price is too high is step five.

Step one must come before step five.

Step one is to stop spamming.

>I find most of the players winning the games use
>Computer Help while others are even unable to beat
>the Beginner Level

Making GetClub play better is step four.

You need to take step one first.

Step one is to stop spamming.

You need to take step one first.

You are too stupid to take step one, no $100 Million Dollars for you!

You are too stupid to stop spamming, no $100 Million Dollars for you!

Spammers stay poor. You are a spammer, so you will stay poor.

You are too stupid to become rich.

The first step is to stop spamming.

Sanny = Spammer = Poor = Stupid.







 
Date: 07 May 2008 08:54:14
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 7:41=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> If you cannot understand why GitClub will never,
> in anything remotely resembling it's current
> state, earn you $100 let alone $100 million then
> your grasp on reality is so tenuous that you
> need to seek professional help immediately and
> stop worrying baout your mediocre chess program.

What are the things GetClub should do to sell atleast 100,000 Copies?

Currently You can purchase monthly/ Yearly Subscription.

Do you have any idea why people are reluctant to buy? They just play a
few games for free and leave?

Bye
Sanny


 
Date: 07 May 2008 08:52:01
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 7:06=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Sanny wrote:
> >I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> >$19.95.
>
> >So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
> >Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
> >Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
> >Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
> >money to those who help me.
>
> You are too stupid to listen, so no $100 Million Dollars for you!

Tell me I will Listen.


> Make money. You are too stupid to understand this.

Thats what I am asking HOW??? GetClub Program plays much strong games
but I am not earning anything? People just want to play for free.

ChessMaster Sold 5 million copies tell me some way to sell atleast
100,000 Copies. What are the things that should be added to the
Program to make it atleast as good as ChessMaster?

When I have created such a strong program why I am unable to sell it?

What are the places from where the people Buy the Product?

What should be the Price of GetClub Chess? Are Current Prices a bit
high?

I find most of the players winning the games use Computer Help while
others are even unable to beat the Beginner Level

Bye
Sanny


 
Date: 07 May 2008 08:46:50
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
> =A0 Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
> mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.- Hide quoted text -

Yes I understand a lot of things are needed to sell large number of
Copies. And there is a lot of Competition in this Market.

If I only think about Playing Strength How good is ChessMaster to
GetClub?

GetClub is much improved now, Is ChessMaster still stronger than
GetClub Chess?

Does anyone has ChessMaster What are the things that GetClub is
missing other than play Strength?

Bye
Sanny




  
Date: 07 May 2008 14:23:15
From: Frisco Del Rosario
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
In article
<[email protected]m >,
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> What are the things that GetClub is missing other than play Strength?

I went to getclub.com once.

The user interface is ugly, made of dozens of colors and hundreds of
text fields. The text that clutters your UI reads like your newsgroup
posts. You -- or someone who'll redo your UI for you -- must understand
how to write in English, and that in UI design 'less is more'.

The chessboard didn't fully render. No one will return to your chess
application if they can't see the chessboard the first time. When I
clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft, which I could
not determine how to turn off.

The buttons in the chessboard field flicker. So the design of your app
is weak on the front end *and* on the back.

You'll never get an audience to pay you $100 million as long as your
language skills -- in print and in code -- are unacceptable.


   
Date: 08 May 2008 00:48:22
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote:
> When I clicked on a piece, the UI made a sound like an aircraft,
> which I could not determine how to turn off.

Sanny's solution is to turn your speakers off. No, seriously.


Dave.

--
David Richerby Sumerian Monk (TM): it's like a man
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ of God that's really old!


 
Date: 07 May 2008 07:41:00
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
If you cannot understand why GitClub will never,
in anything remotely resembling it's current
state, earn you $100 let alone $100 million then
your grasp on reality is so tenuous that you
need to seek professional help immediately and
stop worrying baout your mediocre chess program.


 
Date: 07 May 2008 14:06:40
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much



Sanny wrote:

>I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
>$19.95.
>
>So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
>Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
>Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
>Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
>money to those who help me.

You are too stupid to listen, so no $100 Million Dollars for you!

ChessMaster does not SPAM.

ChessMaster made $100 Million Dollars.

GetClub SPAMs.

GetClub made $0 Dollars.

Stop spamming. Make money. You are too stupid to understand this.



 
Date: 07 May 2008 05:25:34
From:
Subject: Re: ChessMaster earn $100 Million, How can GetClub earn that much
On May 7, 3:01=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> I found 5 Million Copies of Chess Master has been Sold and it Costs
> $19.95.
>
> So ChessMaster Creator has earned $100 Million Dollars.
>
> Look here:http://www.game-remakes.com/game.php?id=3D126
>
> Chess Master Sold 5 Million Copies for $19.95 each !!!
>
> How much good is ChessMaster to GetClub?
>
> Can GetClub Chess sell 5 Million Copies????
>
> Please Help If I earn $100 Million Dollars, I will shell out a lot of
> money to those who help me.
>
> When you play ChessMaster and GetClub whats the Difference?
>
> If Chess Master Thinks for 10 sec/ move will it be able to beat the
> GetClubs Normal Level?.
>
> $100 Million Dollar is a lot of money hey tell my How to sell 5
> Million Copies of GetClub Chess.
>
> Please Suggest me, may be I give all the money you can dream of. Just
> tell me how to sell 5 Million copies of GetClub Chess. Thats a great
> Business !!!
>
> Is there good Market for GetClub Chess???? Why Can't GetClub do what
> ChessMaster did thats a 100 Million Dollar Question....
>
> Bye
> Sanny

Sanny, your addiction to hallucinogenic drugs is becoming more and
mre severe. Please seek rehabilitation.