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Date: 20 Jan 2008 05:48:18
From: RookHouse
Subject: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
FIDE Handbook states:
"Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
declared a loss as a result.
Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. This
may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
tournament. The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
Morphy,
http://www.rookhouse.com
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 18:33:20
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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NOT ORDINARY BEGGARS
Dear Mike,
That's right. They are beggars with Rolexes.
>Ahh, but beggars wearing Rolex watches aren't just your ordinary
beggars. > -- Mike Murray
Mike Murray wrote:
> >THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans (page 68)
> >"What a shame that FIDE is run by a wealthy lunatic and a
> >horde of beggars," observed IM Jack Peters, chess columnist for
> >the Los Angeles Times.
>
> Ahh, but beggars wearing Rolex watches aren't just your ordinary
> beggars.
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 14:04:53
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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On Jan 20, 8:13=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> FIDE'S INSANE CONTROL
>
> Like drug testing, this is another example of FIDE's insane attempt to
> control the behavior of players.
>
> Topalov and Kramnik stopped shaking hands during their title match in
> 2006 and neither player was penalized.
> Karpov refused to shake Alburt's hand at the Malta Olympiad and
> nothing happened.
>
> The real scoundrels are those who rule FIDE.
>
>
>
> RookHouse wrote:
> > Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
> > game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
> > FIDE Handbook states:
>
> > "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
> > opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
> > rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
> > during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
> > the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
> > of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
>
> > Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
> > Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
> > declared a loss as a result.
>
> > Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. =A0This=
> > may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
> > tournament. =A0The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
>
> > Morphy,
> >http://www.rookhouse.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I could not disagree with you more. If a player refuses to treat his
opponent with even the most rudimentary respect, then he does not
deserve to play.
I, for one, am happy to see a player who, deliberately choosing to be
an asshole, gets the reward he deserves for such behavior.
Respectfully,
zdrakec
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Date: 21 Jan 2008 09:53:15
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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"zdrakec" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jan 20, 8:13 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected] > wrote:
> FIDE'S INSANE CONTROL
>
> Like drug testing, this is another example of FIDE's insane attempt to
> control the behavior of players.
>
> Topalov and Kramnik stopped shaking hands during their title match in
> 2006 and neither player was penalized.
> Karpov refused to shake Alburt's hand at the Malta Olympiad and
> nothing happened.
>
> The real scoundrels are those who rule FIDE.
>
>
>
> RookHouse wrote:
> > Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
> > game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
> > FIDE Handbook states:
>
> > "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
> > opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
> > rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
> > during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
> > the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
> > of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
>
> > Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
> > Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
> > declared a loss as a result.
>
> > Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. This
> > may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
> > tournament. The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
>
> > Morphy,
> >http://www.rookhouse.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I could not disagree with you more. If a player refuses to treat his
opponent with even the most rudimentary respect, then he does not
deserve to play.
I, for one, am happy to see a player who, deliberately choosing to be
an asshole, gets the reward he deserves for such behavior.
Respectfully,
zdrakec
---
**I think Fide instituted these rules, insane or not, as result of Topalov
Kramnik. I think both writers above have valid points, if its a rule, then
it is not optional behavior for professional players to not know them. In
this case, it was obviously deliberate, and you can see that Nigel Short is
shocked by the behavior. That itself is a sort of gamesmanship by his
opponent which violates a more general rule about behavior.
**And on the other hand, the number of rules outside of the game proper is
extraordinary. I have an old USCF rule book of some 40 pages of rules - but
recently saw an official one of 240, which included 'interpretations' and so
on, which presumably are necessary to include. What an absurd situation that
there are 240 pages of things to know - its the actions of burocrats gone
mad.
**Since players have been travelling, and no doubt preparing to play each
other - I think the organisers might have mentioned the fact of the new
rule, and especially to clarify its consequences. Otherwise, as we see here,
we have bad feeling /in corporare/ since in fact Short never played
Cheparinov before, and is in fact being dissed by the Bulgarian consituency
at Corus.
**Anyone interested in the chess itself might like to know that the players
are currently at move 23 and black has just jettisoned a pawn in order to
uncramp his position. time white 0:56, black 0:51. Nigel has the two
bishops, and will either preserve one by retreat or enter complications with
the mutually trappy 24. Bg5. Lots of play left in this game. )
O!! he just played Bg5 !
Phil Innes
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 11:07:43
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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On Jan 20, 12:05=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> =A0 Anyone know what prompted Cheparinov to do this? Did he and Short
> have some unusually strong enmity going?- Hide quoted text -
>
Hi Taylor,
There is some very thorough information about this on Susan Polgar's
blog:
http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com/
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 09:05:17
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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On Jan 20, 8:48=A0am, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
> game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
> FIDE Handbook states:
>
> "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
> opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
> rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
> during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
> the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
> of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
>
> Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
> Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
> declared a loss as a result.
>
> Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. =A0This
> may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
> tournament. =A0The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
>
> Morphy,http://www.rookhouse.com
Anyone know what prompted Cheparinov to do this? Did he and Short
have some unusually strong enmity going?
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 08:56:57
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans (page 68)
"What a shame that FIDE is run by a wealthy lunatic and a
horde of beggars," observed IM Jack Peters, chess columnist for
the Los Angeles Times.
J.D. Walker wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > FIDE'S INSANE CONTROL
> >
> > Like drug testing, this is another example of FIDE's insane attempt to
> > control the behavior of players.
> >
> > Topalov and Kramnik stopped shaking hands during their title match in
> > 2006 and neither player was penalized.
> > Karpov refused to shake Alburt's hand at the Malta Olympiad and
> > nothing happened.
> >
> > The real scoundrels are those who rule FIDE.
> >
> > RookHouse wrote:
> >> Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
> >> game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
> >> FIDE Handbook states:
> >>
> >> "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
> >> opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
> >> rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
> >> during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
> >> the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
> >> of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
> >>
> >> Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
> >> Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
> >> declared a loss as a result.
> >>
> >> Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. This
> >> may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
> >> tournament. The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
> >>
> >>
> >> Morphy,
> >> http://www.rookhouse.com
>
> Mr. Parr,
>
> I agree. Dr. Manny Alvarez in an article titled: "The Demise of the
> Handshake," states "Every time someone talks about the bird flu, or the
> seasonal flu, some medical expert (myself included) emphasizes the
> importance of washing the hands to decrease the spread of germs."
> (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184690,00.html) Why should players
> be required to put their health at risk to play chess?
>
> Another question: who is to determine what the conventional rules of a
> multicultural society are? This sounds like a prescription for ethnic
> bigotry.
> --
>
> Cordially,
> Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 09:22:12
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:56:57 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans (page 68)
>
>"What a shame that FIDE is run by a wealthy lunatic and a
>horde of beggars," observed IM Jack Peters, chess columnist for
>the Los Angeles Times.
Ahh, but beggars wearing Rolex watches aren't just your ordinary
beggars.
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 06:13:15
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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FIDE'S INSANE CONTROL
Like drug testing, this is another example of FIDE's insane attempt to
control the behavior of players.
Topalov and Kramnik stopped shaking hands during their title match in
2006 and neither player was penalized.
Karpov refused to shake Alburt's hand at the Malta Olympiad and
nothing happened.
The real scoundrels are those who rule FIDE.
RookHouse wrote:
> Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
> game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
> FIDE Handbook states:
>
> "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
> opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
> rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
> during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
> the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
> of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
>
> Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
> Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
> declared a loss as a result.
>
> Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. This
> may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
> tournament. The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
>
>
> Morphy,
> http://www.rookhouse.com
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 06:26:45
From: J.D. Walker
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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[email protected] wrote:
> FIDE'S INSANE CONTROL
>
> Like drug testing, this is another example of FIDE's insane attempt to
> control the behavior of players.
>
> Topalov and Kramnik stopped shaking hands during their title match in
> 2006 and neither player was penalized.
> Karpov refused to shake Alburt's hand at the Malta Olympiad and
> nothing happened.
>
> The real scoundrels are those who rule FIDE.
>
> RookHouse wrote:
>> Ivan Cheparinov, top seed in Grandmaster Group B, lost his round 8
>> game against Nigel Short for refusing to shake the Brit's hand. The
>> FIDE Handbook states:
>>
>> "Any player who does not shake hands with the opponent (or greets the
>> opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional
>> rules of their society) before the game starts in a FIDE tournament or
>> during a FIDE match (and does not do it after being asked to do so by
>> the arbiter) or deliberately insults his/her opponent or the officials
>> of the event, will immediately and finally lose the relevant game."
>>
>> Chief Arbiter Thomas van Beekum was a witness when Cheparinov refused
>> Short's offer to shake hands twice and the Bulgarian's game was
>> declared a loss as a result.
>>
>> Cheparinov was 1.5 pts. behind the leaders going into this game. This
>> may have just ruined any chance he may have had to win this
>> tournament. The game sheet reads 1.e4 2.c5 1-0.
>>
>>
>> Morphy,
>> http://www.rookhouse.com
Mr. Parr,
I agree. Dr. Manny Alvarez in an article titled: "The Demise of the
Handshake," states "Every time someone talks about the bird flu, or the
seasonal flu, some medical expert (myself included) emphasizes the
importance of washing the hands to decrease the spread of germs."
(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184690,00.html) Why should players
be required to put their health at risk to play chess?
Another question: who is to determine what the conventional rules of a
multicultural society are? This sounds like a prescription for ethnic
bigotry.
--
Cordially,
Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.
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Date: 20 Jan 2008 07:48:13
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Corus Update - Cheparinov Disqulaified From Game # 8 !!!
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wow , i did not know they could do that ...
He just cost himself this tournament i belive.
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