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Date: 17 Nov 2008 19:16:04
From: help bot
Subject: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
Once again, I attempted to play a game at the Web site
GetClub.com, and once again, my computer rejected an
attempt to install an "Active X" control, for security reasons.

Having reinstalled Windows XP recently, I notice that a
few things are now different even though I always had
enabled automatic Windows updates. It looks like I have
service pack 3, and among the small annoyances are
things like being unable to edit text I type here in rgc due
to my machine typing over (instead of inserting my
changes to) text. Magically, mysteriously, this very
annoying glitch has now disappeared for now, all by
itself.

But the main difference I see from my old setup is
the numerous security "features", just one of which is
automatic blocking of GetClub's attempts to install a
"dangerous" Active X control. Sanny claims his site
does not do this, but my machine never lies (compare
and contrast)... .

My guess is that the site uses an Active X control to
launch or install the Java applet, or perhaps for the
purpose of opening pop-up windows during play-- an
effective measure designed to punish good moves,
but ineffective again me for the obvious reason that
I rarely make them.

In any case, I have not had any problems since my
reinstall with other Web sites, only with GetClub; so
then, what is the obvious conclusion here?


-- help bot




 
Date: 22 Nov 2008 22:04:35
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: It played Bxc3 on my Computer. Restart and continue your game.
> > Incase your Computer is fast. Then Internet Connection may be the
> > reasion. Incase the connection breaks the program will never make the
> > move.
> > Please see your Internet Connection do not break.
>
> The problem is your 'net connection.

I think this is the biggest reasion. As otherwise GetClub will be
forced to play moves after Max time has arrived. Only when the net
connection breaks the Applet will stop responding.

> > To correct the problem we need to guess the possible reasion else how
> > to find the real cause of problem.
>
> Maybe it was GetClub software?

No, GetClub Software is tested well on 100s of computer. Peter
finished 6 games with Master Level without any problem. He has best
computers and a fast Internet Connection.

There are many players who are facing no problem.

Help Bot used to play earlier without much problems. I think the new
System is having bad internet Connection.

Chess is a resource hungry program and needs as much resources as
possible.

Incase his computer is decent I recommend to Check his Net
Connection.

As the move where his program stuck, when I played on my Computer It
made its move in just 90 sec. I think he should restart the game and
See if the problem is solved.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 22 Nov 2008 09:17:03
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: It played Bxc3 on my Computer. Restart and continue your game.
> > I have started your Program You Played (White) P-h5 and Black (Normal
> > Level) played Bxc3 in 90 seconds on my computer.
>
> =A0 Aha! =A0So then, the answer is for us to swap
> computers; you send me yours, and I will
> send you mine. =A0;>D

My computer too is a old one. But it plays reasionably well. I have
upgraded the RAM to make it faster. And got a fast Broadband
Connection.

> > If you have the wrowser open, Restart and you will see It played Bxc3.
>
> > Giving a score of (-0.53) a loss of Half point to GetClub.
>
> =A0 What's the story with this score? =A0A couple
> of moves ago, the GC program recognized
> that I was nearly two pawns up, but now
> that I am close to Queening a pawn, it has
> me only a half-pawn ahead? =A0That's odd.

I do not remember the position. May be it has found some way out.

> > What is the configuration of your System? I think it is some old
> > computer. As Peter finished 5 games with Master Level last week
> > without even a single error.
>
> =A0 Interesting. =A0 When I mentioned the limited
> memory of my old system, you brushed it off;
> now you are suggesting that it may be the
> cause of the problem.

I am just thinking what may be the reasion Peter has a dual core and a
Quad core (Rich guy) So he do not have problem with even the Master
Level. He has played 5 Games with Master Level without any problem.

> > I think your Computer has some spyware program which is slowing your
> > computer.
>
> =A0 Oh, so it's my computer now. =A0 All those other
> guys who reported strange behaviors were just
> flukes, I suppose. =A0Even the guy who told you
> how you could -- for FREE -- test your Web
> site for bugs. =A0 Look, unless your program has
> become far more "demanding" lately, it is not
> likely my computer, for I have reinstalled
> Windows, updated it, and -- this is key -- I
> never have any trouble with any other Web
> site except yours! =A0 (Now, pretend you're
> Sherlock Holmes-- what does this mean?)

True, Remember earlier the Java was not working then you downloaded
the recent version.

To correct the problem we need to guess the possible reasion else how
to find the real cause of problem.

Incase your Computer is fast. Then Internet Connection may be the
reasion. Incase the connection breaks the program will never make the
move.

I have internet connection problem and sometimes then the program do
not play and Alerts me "Connection disconnected"

Please see your Internet Connection do not break.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



  
Date: 22 Nov 2008 11:50:58
From: Frisco Del Rosario
Subject: Re: It played Bxc3 on my Computer. Restart and continue your game.
In article
<[email protected] >,
Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > > If you have the wrowser open, Restart and you will see It played Bxc3.

The problem is your browser.

> > > What is the configuration of your System? I think it is some old
> > > computer.

The problem is your operating system.

> > > I think your Computer has some spyware program which is slowing your
> > > computer.

The problem is malware.

> True, Remember earlier the Java was not working then you downloaded
> the recent version.

The problem is Java.

> Incase your Computer is fast. Then Internet Connection may be the
> reasion. Incase the connection breaks the program will never make the
> move.
> Please see your Internet Connection do not break.

The problem is your 'net connection.

> To correct the problem we need to guess the possible reasion else how
> to find the real cause of problem.

Maybe it was shitty GetClub software?


 
Date: 22 Nov 2008 03:23:08
From: help bot
Subject: Re: It played Bxc3 on my Computer. Restart and continue your game.
On Nov 22, 3:54=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > > So if the Max Time has occured It will immidietly play the move. If I=
t
> > > does not makes move after Max time that means there is some error. In
> > > that case just close the game and restart.
>
> > =A0 Hmm... after following these instructions
> > six thousand times to no avail, I have to ask
> > again: is not ever moving in a lost position
> > the ultimate "improvement" in GetClub's
> > arsenal?
>
> I have started your Program You Played (White) P-h5 and Black (Normal
> Level) played Bxc3 in 90 seconds on my computer.


Aha! So then, the answer is for us to swap
computers; you send me yours, and I will
send you mine. ; >D


> Restart your computer and complete the game. So there is no problem on
> my computer.


So then, the answer is that your computer
has somehow "adapted" to all the bugs, and like
a pig that wallows in mud to rid itself of flies, you
have become immune. (Note: another method
is frequent emmisions of methane gas.)


> Normal Level played Bxc3 in 90 seconds.
>
> Start the game and make your move. As now it is your move. Whenever
> such problem comes Restart your Computer.
>
> If you have the wrowser open, Restart and you will see It played Bxc3.
>
> Giving a score of (-0.53) a loss of Half point to GetClub.


What's the story with this score? A couple
of moves ago, the GC program recognized
that I was nearly two pawns up, but now
that I am close to Queening a pawn, it has
me only a half-pawn ahead? That's odd.


> What is the configuration of your System? I think it is some old
> computer. As Peter finished 5 games with Master Level last week
> without even a single error.


Interesting. When I mentioned the limited
memory of my old system, you brushed it off;
now you are suggesting that it may be the
cause of the problem.


> Check for spyware or some adware program that is hacking your
> Computer.


I put all my top-secret files in the recycle bin,
to foil hackers and corporate spies who might
be interested in knowing how I intend to take
over the world (it begins by the destruction of
the world's financial markets, which is already
happening and too late to stop!).


> I think your Computer has some spyware program which is slowing your
> computer.


Oh, so it's my computer now. All those other
guys who reported strange behaviors were just
flukes, I suppose. Even the guy who told you
how you could -- for FREE -- test your Web
site for bugs. Look, unless your program has
become far more "demanding" lately, it is not
likely my computer, for I have reinstalled
Windows, updated it, and -- this is key -- I
never have any trouble with any other Web
site except yours! (Now, pretend you're
Sherlock Holmes-- what does this mean?)


-- hlep bot




 
Date: 22 Nov 2008 00:54:45
From: Sanny
Subject: It played Bxc3 on my Computer. Restart and continue your game.
> > So if the Max Time has occured It will immidietly play the move. If It
> > does not makes move after Max time that means there is some error. In
> > that case just close the game and restart.
>
> =A0 Hmm... after following these instructions
> six thousand times to no avail, I have to ask
> again: is not ever moving in a lost position
> the ultimate "improvement" in GetClub's
> arsenal?

I have started your Program You Played (White) P-h5 and Black (Normal
Level) played Bxc3 in 90 seconds on my computer.

Restart your computer and complete the game. So there is no problem on
my computer.

Normal Level played Bxc3 in 90 seconds.

Start the game and make your move. As now it is your move. Whenever
such problem comes Restart your Computer.

If you have the wrowser open, Restart and you will see It played Bxc3.

Giving a score of (-0.53) a loss of Half point to GetClub.

What is the configuration of your System? I think it is some old
computer. As Peter finished 5 games with Master Level last week
without even a single error.

Check for spyware or some adware program that is hacking your
Computer.

I think your Computer has some spyware program which is slowing your
computer.

Or Clear the Temp Folder So that It plays fast.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://ww.GetClub.com/Chess.html





 
Date: 22 Nov 2008 00:43:56
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 22, 12:18=A0pm, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 19, 10:47=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > =A0 I'm having trouble imagining any improvement
> > > over not moving in a lost position; is it possible
> > > to win by making two moves to my one? =A0 Or
> > > is there some way to make my pawns
> > > disappear from the board? =A0 Whatever this
> > > "improvement" is, it must be a Doosey!
> > There is one Max time Setting for each level If it keeps thinking
> > beyond that time that means some error has occured. Just Close the
> > window and restart the game and you can finish from where you left.
>
> > The Max time for each level is as follows.
>
> > Beginner: 80 sec.
> > Easy: 320 sec or 5 min.
> > Normal: 1280 sec or 21 min.
> > Master: 5120 sec or 85 min.
>
> > So if the Max Time has occured It will immidietly play the move. If It
> > does not makes move after Max time that means there is some error. In
> > that case just close the game and restart.
>
> =A0 Hmm... after following these instructions
> six thousand times to no avail, I have to ask
> again: is not ever moving in a lost position
> the ultimate "improvement" in GetClub's
> arsenal?
>
> =A0 A century or so ago, folks like Paul Morphy
> would sometimes encounter opponents
> who, um, could not be beaten, in the sense
> that they simply refused to finish games in
> which they were losing. =A0 The supposed
> solution to this problem was the introduction
> of clock play, where the offender would
> forfeit a game if he did not move in a
> reasonable amount of time.
>
> =A0 Of course, at GetClub the Web site has
> complete control of such things as, say,
> the forfeiting of games. =A0No surprise then
> that the GC program is never forfeited, no
> matter what the offense-- even blatant
> cheating (or what would be considered as
> such, were the same behavior to occur in
> human versus human play).
>
> =A0Not long ago, Sanny asked me if I thought
> his program was playing better now than
> in the past. =A0My answer is, well, it is in the
> sense that now, it simply cannot be
> beaten; it cannot be beaten because it will
> not move. =A0 Even Rybka can be beaten--
> I know because after losing to her in QN
> odds games, I tried removing her Queen;
> true, it was a long, hard struggle, but it's
> the result that counts. =A0 Thus, Sanny has
> somehow managed to better the Rybka
> team, in spite of everything.
>
> =A0 -- help bot- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I will be looking into your game. and see what happened. Please wait
for sometime till the problem is rectified.

It looks like some error somewhere. Do not play the game for 2-3 hours
as the program will be checked.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 21 Nov 2008 23:18:58
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 19, 10:47=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > =A0 I'm having trouble imagining any improvement
> > over not moving in a lost position; is it possible
> > to win by making two moves to my one? =A0 Or
> > is there some way to make my pawns
> > disappear from the board? =A0 Whatever this
> > "improvement" is, it must be a Doosey!

> There is one Max time Setting for each level If it keeps thinking
> beyond that time that means some error has occured. Just Close the
> window and restart the game and you can finish from where you left.
>
> The Max time for each level is as follows.
>
> Beginner: 80 sec.
> Easy: 320 sec or 5 min.
> Normal: 1280 sec or 21 min.
> Master: 5120 sec or 85 min.
>
> So if the Max Time has occured It will immidietly play the move. If It
> does not makes move after Max time that means there is some error. In
> that case just close the game and restart.


Hmm... after following these instructions
six thousand times to no avail, I have to ask
again: is not ever moving in a lost position
the ultimate "improvement" in GetClub's
arsenal?

A century or so ago, folks like Paul Morphy
would sometimes encounter opponents
who, um, could not be beaten, in the sense
that they simply refused to finish games in
which they were losing. The supposed
solution to this problem was the introduction
of clock play, where the offender would
forfeit a game if he did not move in a
reasonable amount of time.

Of course, at GetClub the Web site has
complete control of such things as, say,
the forfeiting of games. No surprise then
that the GC program is never forfeited, no
matter what the offense-- even blatant
cheating (or what would be considered as
such, were the same behavior to occur in
human versus human play).

Not long ago, Sanny asked me if I thought
his program was playing better now than
in the past. My answer is, well, it is in the
sense that now, it simply cannot be
beaten; it cannot be beaten because it will
not move. Even Rybka can be beaten--
I know because after losing to her in QN
odds games, I tried removing her Queen;
true, it was a long, hard struggle, but it's
the result that counts. Thus, Sanny has
somehow managed to better the Rybka
team, in spite of everything.


-- help bot


 
Date: 20 Nov 2008 21:43:18
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 20, 1:27=A0am, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:

> > The real mystery is why you continue to bother with that shitty GetClub
> > software and its developer.
>
> Hey - he's already admitted he's still using WinDoze.


Hey, if Apple ever figures out that us po'
folks don't like paying double the cost of a MS
machine, I will be among the first to switch.

Thus far, I have always considered price when
choosing between the hated Microsoft OS and
its alleged competition, and it appears that I am
not the only one. The same thing goes for why
I have a Gateway computer, and not a really
cool one from Alienware with blue neon lights
and a ten-terrabyte harddrive.

With the recent stock market crash, even
folks like Warren Buffet are cutting back; I hear
he had to sell two of his smaller yachts, and
Bill Gates cancelled an order for two more
purple Maseratis. Things are tough all over.


-- help bot


 
Date: 19 Nov 2008 07:47:38
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
> =A0 I'm having trouble imagining any improvement
> over not moving in a lost position; is it possible
> to win by making two moves to my one? =A0 Or
> is there some way to make my pawns
> disappear from the board? =A0 Whatever this
> "improvement" is, it must be a Doosey!

There is one Max time Setting for each level If it keeps thinking
beyond that time that means some error has occured. Just Close the
window and restart the game and you can finish from where you left.

The Max time for each level is as follows.

Beginner: 80 sec.
Easy: 320 sec or 5 min.
Normal: 1280 sec or 21 min.
Master: 5120 sec or 85 min.

So if the Max Time has occured It will immidietly play the move. If It
does not makes move after Max time that means there is some error. In
that case just close the game and restart.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 19 Nov 2008 06:21:36
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 19, 3:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> The wrong version of JVM was an activex So your computer gave ActiveX
> error.


Um, that doesn't make sense to me, but then
I'm not an expert on all this stuff, like you are.


> So there was nothing wrong in GetClub but it was only because you had
> older version of JVM that is now obslete.


The java Web site made it sound as though
I had the wrong version of java for my OS--
not an "obsolete" version.


> After you started the game GetClub game was further improved today. So
> this game you have better chance to win. But later you will face even
> stronger opponent.


I'm having trouble imagining any improvement
over not moving in a lost position; is it possible
to win by making two moves to my one? Or
is there some way to make my pawns
disappear from the board? Whatever this
"improvement" is, it must be a Doosey!


-- help bot


 
Date: 19 Nov 2008 00:38:25
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
> Unlike before, I am now using Microsoft
> Explorer as my browser. =A0 The browser
> itself generated these warnings regarding
> Active X; they are not just figments of my
> imagination. =A0 Maybe Sanny is right; maybe
> he is the real programming expert and the
> folks at Microsoft don't have a clue as to
> the difference between Active X and Java.
> Maybe we should all buy Sanny's OS,
> and chuck this expensive MS junk in the
> garbage?

The wrong version of JVM was an activex So your computer gave ActiveX
error.

So there was nothing wrong in GetClub but it was only because you had
older version of JVM that is now obslete.

After you started the game GetClub game was further improved today. So
this game you have better chance to win. But later you will face even
stronger opponent.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 19 Nov 2008 00:28:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 19, 12:51=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> So now, you are able to play at GetClub. What was wrong earlier that
> it was giving error?
>
> Was it due to Javascript popup? or due to JVM not installed?


After encountering the exact same error message
as before, I went to the Web site java.com and it
scanned my computer, saying I had a "wrong
version" of java installed (5.2). I downloaded the
version it recommended and installed it, then
rebooted my computer and when I tried to play at
GetClub, it then allowed me to start a game.

This "wrong version" of java had been installed
automatically, but by which program I do not
know. I now have almost nothing installed but
that which came with my computer, from the
factory. (If I had to guess, I suspect AVG anti-
virus, free edition was the culprit.)


> How long is the Normal Level playing. Is it playing better than
> earlier or the same as it used to?


It moved quickly at times, but more slowly on
other moves-- especially the first move out of
book. Now we are in the middlegame and I
have a decisive advantage in position along
with an extra pawn, but the program seems
hell-bent on never moving (and thereby
avoiding its fate, which is to lose to my far
superior play). Even GetClub recognizes
that I am 1.87 pawns ahead, as it sits there,
contemplating death.

Unlike before, I am now using Microsoft
Explorer as my browser. The browser
itself generated these warnings regarding
Active X; they are not just figments of my
imagination. Maybe Sanny is right; maybe
he is the real programming expert and the
folks at Microsoft don't have a clue as to
the difference between Active X and Java.
Maybe we should all buy Sanny's OS,
and chuck this expensive MS junk in the
garbage?


-- help bot








 
Date: 18 Nov 2008 21:51:37
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
> =A0 In my current game, the Normal level has
> apparently decided the best way to avoid further
> losses is to never move. =A0But I find it interesting
> that even so, the jumbled mess of instructions
> did avoid "castling into it", which puts it one up
> on most human chess players.

So now, you are able to play at GetClub. What was wrong earlier that
it was giving error?

Was it due to Javascript popup? or due to JVM not installed?

How long is the Normal Level playing. Is it playing better than
earlier or the same as it used to?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 18 Nov 2008 21:33:04
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 18, 11:19=A0am, Frisco Del Rosario <[email protected] > wrote:

> The real mystery is why you continue to bother with that shitty GetClub
> software and its developer.


Perhaps it's because this is the last human-like
chess engine; or perhaps it is because Rybka
thumps me; or maybe I do it all for the money
and fame. Or maybe I just can't help bot try to
give advice when someone is so desperately in
need of aid.

In my current game, the Normal level has
apparently decided the best way to avoid further
losses is to never move. But I find it interesting
that even so, the jumbled mess of instructions
did avoid "castling into it", which puts it one up
on most human chess players.

We are playing what I believe is called a
Saemish King's Indian and I was set to launch
a straightforward Kingside assault, but instead
the GetClub program has deliberately left its
King in the center /as if/ it somehow under-
stood the fate that awaits a cornered King
whose distant armies are helpless to rescue
their monarch. I understand this is nought
but an illusion, but it is more satisfying than a
"normal" book monkey battle between
clueless humans, who play the openings by
rote until one of them runs out, and inevitably
blunders.


-- help bot








 
Date: 18 Nov 2008 00:19:11
From: help bot
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 18, 12:06=A0am, Mike Murray <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:16:04 -0800 (PST), help bot
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > among the small annoyances are
> >things like being unable to edit text I type here in rgc due
> >to my machine typing over (instead of inserting my
> >changes to) text. =A0 Magically, mysteriously, this very
> >annoying glitch has now disappeared for now, all by
> >itself.
>
> Might that little "Ins" key over on the keypad have something to do
> with it?


Hmm... I did not even know I had an "Ins" key,
but you are right! Very close to the backspace
key, which I use quite often, is where it hides.
Mystery solved. Thanks. I sometimes type in
near-total darkness... which explains how I can
strike keys without knowing even knowing it.


-- help bot








  
Date: 18 Nov 2008 08:19:25
From: Frisco Del Rosario
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
In article
<[email protected]m >,
help bot <[email protected] > wrote:

> Mystery solved.

The real mystery is why you continue to bother with that shitty GetClub
software and its developer.


   
Date: 20 Nov 2008 00:27:12
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
Frisco Del Rosario wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]m>,
> help bot <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mystery solved.
>
> The real mystery is why you continue to bother with that shitty GetClub
> software and its developer.

Hey - he's already admitted he's still using WinDoze.

--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/


 
Date: 17 Nov 2008 22:06:07
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Nov 18, 8:16=A0am, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> =A0 Once again, I attempted to play a game at the Web site
> GetClub.com, and once again, my computer rejected an
> attempt to install an "Active X" control, for security reasons.

Can you send me the page "url" where you find this activex is
installed?

Secondly is your computer having Java Installed?

Install latest Java from: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp

So that Latest version of Java is present.


> =A0 But the main difference I see from my old setup is
> the numerous security "features", just one of which is
> automatic blocking of GetClub's attempts to install a
> "dangerous" Active X control. =A0 Sanny claims his site
> does not do this, but my machine never lies (compare
> and contrast)... .

Its not activex But a Javascript. Enable Javascript that will solve
the Problem.

And allow Java in Internet Options See Java is Checked after Install
is complete.

> =A0 My guess is that the site uses an Active X control to
> launch or install the Java applet, or perhaps for the
> purpose of opening pop-up windows during play-- an
> effective measure designed to punish good moves,
> but ineffective again me for the obvious reason that
> I rarely make them.

Its not activex But a Javascript that launch a popup window. "Allow
Popup" and see if it works now.


> =A0 In any case, I have not had any problems since my
> reinstall with other Web sites, only with GetClub; so
> then, what is the obvious conclusion here?

Do you able to load Applets on other sites?

Bye
Sanny

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Date: 17 Nov 2008 21:06:10
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: GetClub *does* install Active X, says my humble computer
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:16:04 -0800 (PST), help bot
<[email protected] > wrote:

> among the small annoyances are
>things like being unable to edit text I type here in rgc due
>to my machine typing over (instead of inserting my
>changes to) text. Magically, mysteriously, this very
>annoying glitch has now disappeared for now, all by
>itself.

Might that little "Ins" key over on the keypad have something to do
with it?