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Date: 07 Jul 2008 06:44:30
From: samsloan
Subject: I met the Great Ed Trice
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I just got back from the World Open in Philadelphia. On July 6, 2008,
yesterday, just before leaving the playing site, I met the Great Ed
Trice. This meeting was made possible by Dan Heisman, whose name is
often mentioned in connection with Ed Trice and the "My 61 Memorable
Games" Hoax.
I then introduced Ed Trice to Jerry Hanken, who promised to interview
him.
Ed Trice was walking around the World Open wearing a "My 61 Memorable
Games" t-shirt.
I did not have much time to speak to Ed Trice because my last game had
just finished and I was rushing to catch the last bus back to New
York. Last year and the year before, it happened that I had to stay
another night in Philadelphia after the World Open because all the
buses to New York were full, this being the conclusion of July 4th
weekend. Therefore I was rushing to get to the bus station so that
this would not happen again, especially since I had my wife and six-
year-old daughter with me. (Fortunately, I made it. I caught one of
the last Chinese buses to New York and by chance I got a seat next to
Grandmaster Leonid Yudasin, who analyzed and commented on my pet
Damiano's Defense on the bus trip back to New York.)
Ed Trice said that he was the last American to be in contact with
Bobby Fischer before Fischer died and that he had arranged a 15
million dollar match between Fischer and Karpov just before Fischer
died. Ed Trice also said that Susan Polgar had agreed to take
Fischer's place in the match in case Fischer walked out after the
match had started. (I did not think to ask, but I assume that Susan
wanted part of that $15 million.)
Ed Trice had many uncomplimentary things to say about Ed Labate.
Ed Trice said a lot of other things too. However, I was rushing to
catch the bus and did not write them down.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 21 Jul 2008 16:17:00
From: Rook House
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Here is a simple, non-hostile question for Mr. Trice:
Why do you show your ELO as 2277 in the game against D. Bozzini on
your personal chessgames.com page, when the USCF website clearly shows
your rating to be 1371 at the time of that particular game?
http://main.uschess.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,181/
Just curious.
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Date: 19 Jul 2008 09:38:08
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 19, 6:57=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> I have never been sued for anything, and, since law suits are matters
> of public record, this fabrication is remarkable even by Trice
> standards.
>
> Well=85 Ok. I feel the need to clarify one thing. =A0While =93The Trice=
=94
> has
> taken absolutely no legal action against me here on Planet Earth, I
> should also point out that, since it is well established that he runs
> a business selling property on Planet Mars, the possibility does
> exist
> that some action may have been taken against me through the Martian
> system of jurisprudence. =A0If I had the money, I would check it out by
> personally visiting the Supreme Court of Mars, which was built on top
> of Olympus Mons, the largest mountain in the Solar System, so that
> the
> Justices may enjoy an incredible view while they dole out their
> unique
> form of particularly cruel justice. =A0And, when they are not at work,
> they like to hang out with Arnold Schwarzenegger at his summer home
> located in Mars=92 northern polar caps, a property that Schwarzenegger
> purchased from Trice=92s company, legallyownlandonmars.com, according
> to
> the company=92s website. =A0While there, they sit around, drink beer, and
> play Gothic Chess while listening to Martian Operas that chronicle
> the
> saga of Trice=92s heroic dealings with the late Bobby Fischer. =A0Then
> they eat pie.
>
> References:http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=3Dlegallyownlandonmar=
s.com&pro...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D54I8wqm2NeEhttp://en.wikipedia=
.org/wiki/Olympus_Mons
LOL
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Date: 19 Jul 2008 04:57:32
From:
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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I have never been sued for anything, and, since law suits are matters
of public record, this fabrication is remarkable even by Trice
standards.
Well=85 Ok. I feel the need to clarify one thing. While =93The Trice=94
has
taken absolutely no legal action against me here on Planet Earth, I
should also point out that, since it is well established that he runs
a business selling property on Planet Mars, the possibility does
exist
that some action may have been taken against me through the Martian
system of jurisprudence. If I had the money, I would check it out by
personally visiting the Supreme Court of Mars, which was built on top
of Olympus Mons, the largest mountain in the Solar System, so that
the
Justices may enjoy an incredible view while they dole out their
unique
form of particularly cruel justice. And, when they are not at work,
they like to hang out with Arnold Schwarzenegger at his summer home
located in Mars=92 northern polar caps, a property that Schwarzenegger
purchased from Trice=92s company, legallyownlandonmars.com, according
to
the company=92s website. While there, they sit around, drink beer, and
play Gothic Chess while listening to Martian Operas that chronicle
the
saga of Trice=92s heroic dealings with the late Bobby Fischer. Then
they eat pie.
References:
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=3Dlegallyownlandonmars.com&pro...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D54I8wqm2NeE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Mons
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Date: 18 Jul 2008 21:35:22
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 7, 8:55=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Ed Trice said that he had traveled to Iceland with Frank Camaratta.
> They did not get to meet Fischer on that trip. However, Ed Trice had
> made two other trips to Iceland alone and on the third trip he got to
> meet Fischer.
>
> To learn more about Ed Trice, read his biography on Wikipedia.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Trice
>
> However, be forewarned that many of the claims made in that biography
> seem doubtful or are unverifiable.
>
> Sam Sloan
It is so sad that someone as great as Trice-a-roni has had such
obsticles cast in his way. His university has no record of him
graduating. The company he claims to work for is lost in the "Marvel"
universe. He has been crushed by a car and divorced by a wife he never
had. He lost Donald Trumps 15 million dollar debit card and then
wonders why George Ross won't return his calls. He can't come up with
the money for a retainer because he thinks folks should work for free.
He travels to Iceland and gets sick when Fischer won't see him. Make
two other trips back to Iceland( and meets Fischer but has no
witinesses and then Fischer dies). His collaboration with Fischer on
"my 61 memorable games" appears to have been ghost written with him by
the imaginary Fischer he met with. The USCF has managed to screw up
his rating, and only his, so badly that a 2277 rating claimed by Trice-
a-roni can't peak above 1430 after five years of play!( The USCF
program must have it in for him!) His Delorian stopped running after
the professor took his flux capacitor and it spends it's life on
blocks at his mommy's house
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Date: 14 Jul 2008 14:11:30
From: Edward Labate
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Trice removed all my posts from his homepage. Luckily, my CA
attorney, David Affeld taught me long time ago to save everything!!
Here's what was removed off Trice's page ... please diseminate!!
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Labate, You have never "served" me anything, you know it, I know it.
Nothing will happen in "22 days." From your posting you claimed to
have mailed something to 1735 Market Street, which is a Mailboxes Etc
in the basement of the Mellon Bank building. You can mail a letter to
Santa Clause there and he will sign for it.
If you had such a "strong case" you wouldn't need all of your internet
cronies to offer you their support.
And, every attorney always advises their clients NOT TO MENTION
ONGOING MATTERS, no matter what they happen to be.
I know you have no attorney, so keep blowing smoke up your own ass all
you want.
Jul-11-08
Edward Labate: <Jun-16-08 JonDSouzaEva: Mr Trice - is it true that you
are now a British citizen? >
And your answer is???????
22 days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-11-08
robmtchl: Noticed from your website that your phone number also
matches www.legallyownlandonmars.com
Are you a Martian land speculator now?
Jul-11-08
MageOfMaple: The mars land site is definitely Trice, you can see it in
the DNS registration:
http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?d...
Jul-11-08
Edward Labate:
<Jul-08-08 Ed Trice: <JonDSouzaEva > You are Ed Labate. Why else are
you just a posting clone for him? >
I don't know...maybe because you threatened to 'hunt him down' in
November 2006. Most people don't take kindly to being threatened. I'm
sure Jon is the same way.
And Trice, you know damn well I only post as Edward Labate. Especially
since you've communicated with Jon since 2006, long before you ever
contacted me and tried to sell me your 'My 61 Memorable Games'
project.
I made the mistake once of using another name, and look at the grief
it caused. Therefore, for the last six months and for evermore, I only
post as Edward Labate.
Unlike you, I don't have to hide, or deny who I am, or have to invent
friends. If you strive to always do what's right, even if not 100%
successful all the time, you'll still do very well in the long run. A
lesson you still might learn, but I'm not a betting man!
Why you've chosen to take's life's slimely path is incomprehensible
especially since now, the authorities have caught on to you. Yes Ed,
legallyownlandonmars.com has been SHUT DOWN. It was a nice touch,
claiming the Governor of California was one of your clients.
EINSTEIN!!!
As I said in January, I don't envy you.
Jul-11-08
robmtchl: Edward,
Legallyownlandonars has not been shut down...yet.
Jul-11-08
ChicoChuck: I've been doing business with and have been a good friend
of Edward Labate for over twenty years, and I can assure all readers
that Mr. Labate is absolutely, positively NOT posting as JonDSouzaEva.
He only posts as Edward Labate.
Jul-11-08
MageOfMaple:
Legallyownlandonmars has been up and down recently... But the link to
Martian property owned by celebrities is a dead link. I wonder why.
MageOfMaple:
Trice admits being behind legallyownlandonmars.com but says that it is
obviously a "prototype" that you would have to be "stupid" to take
seriously. But there is an entire page explaining that there are no
international treaties preventing the sale of Martian property and
explaining how such a sale is possible. Strange thing to include on a
"prototype." Then there is also a section explaining that numerous
famous personalities have already made purchases =96 obviously a
misrepresentation if they don't really sell Martian real estate as
Trice now claims.
Trice also said "We sell the modules with REAL DATA to real estate
companies all over the USA." Who's we, I wonder? According to his
Linked-In page he works for "Four Incorporated." Um=85 Yeah. That's
the fictional company that employs the Fantastic Four in the Marvel
comic. But hey, I think that's awesome! I wonder if he'd introduce
me to the Invisible Woman? 'cause she's really hot. when she's
visible.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Legallyownlandonmars.com was a PROTYPE website designed to show how to
link NAVIGATION functions to a large database that could be pinged in
real time. If you click on the MAP link across the top:
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
You can see this. Click on GO EAST and you would be at this page
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
Click on BROWSE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FROM HERE
and you would get this html page
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
again, generated from "pinging" a real time transaction database.
The point: We picked the MOST OBVIOUS location with "fake data" yet
could still DEMONSTRATE functionality to real estate companies.
We sell the modules with REAL DATA to real estate companies all over
the USA.
Congratulations on finding this prototype website and being STUPID
enough to believe we were selling land on Mars. Maybe if you would
have clicked on the TERMINOLOGY link
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
=2E..you would have realized this.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
And if there was any ever doubt, if you clicked on the MAP enough you
would find
http://www.legallyownlandonmars.com...
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
I see Mr. "Send me $30,000 so I can pay the $50,000 I owe Titus
Keiningham", also known as 'Rob Mitchell', has signed on.
So Rob, you really contacted Fischer and Karpov before I did, right?
Susan Polgar said you contacted her and had no idea how to reach
either of them.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
Labate,
I know you have no attorney, so keep blowing smoke up your own ass all
you want.
Jul-13-08
Ed Trice:
P.S. The Gothic Chess Association vacated 1735 Market Street in 2002.
Prove otherwise.
I will enjoy your response to this!
Jul-13-08
Edward Labate:
<Ed Trice: I know you have no attorney... >
You're right Ed, just ignore everything, it's all a dream!!
Jul-13-08
Edward Labate:
Dear BANKRUPT BUFOON,
I know you weren't selling land on Mars since you didn't have
ownership. But when has ownership stopped you from running a scam.
And why would anyone with a knowledge of your history, click on the
Terminology link. Who cares about the details from a conman? We see
Trice running another scam, no need to look further.
And as Rook House has chronicled, here's an incomplete list of your
scams.
--He lied about raising 15 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his "My 61 Memorable Games" scam, as confirmed by
Cathy Purdy, Frank Camaratta, Bruce Towell, Dan Heisman and myself.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" scam, you try to pin it on me, and that's
one of the two counts of my $21.2M lawsuit against you.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more, THEN
claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even really
him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his own
Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to even
be a good liar.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that YOU
don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this.
Who are all the people that were in attendance with your meeting with
Bobby Fischer? Names pal, we NEED names??
I'm very confident that Bobby Fischer would never have had a first
meeting alone with an obscure D player;
who had just lost his house in 2003,
filed for bankruptcy in 2004,
http://tinyurl.com/49rkog
and now shows up in Iceland in 2006 saying he's got $15M for a match
with Karpov. "Sure, Trice...where do I sign???"
And finally, still waiting for this answer:
<Jun-16-08 JonDSouzaEva: Mr Trice - is it true that you are now a
British citizen? >
And your answer is??????? >
20 days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-13-08
ughaibu:
So, almost all my posts on these pages have been deleted. That's
pretty @#$%ing ridiculous.
Jul-14-08
Edward Labate:
You're a pathetic creature Trice. You have only one mode of defense,
DENIAL.
You never disprove things, you mock, you deny, you cuss, you get
vulgar, you get revolting (the brother-sister comment should have been
even beneath you, but I guess lower than a snake is more accurate than
I thought) you add more lies, but you never ever REFUTE with 3rd party
validations. And providing a link back to your own site is not a
refutation, but more lies in print.
<Ed Trice: Labate, You have never "served" me anything, you know it, I
know it. >
FALSE, we have signed return receipts, which is adequate for a
company. Check with your lawyer, the service is good...or don't you
have a lawyer yet?? As you already know, my attorney is Alfred T.
Newell IV in Birmingham, the leading libel/defamation attorney in the
state.
If you don't have an attorney yet, then for the time being, I guess
you would be your own attorney. In that case, you may contact him
directly:
Alfred T. Newell IV, Attorney at Law
PO Box 101432
Birmingham, AL 35210
(866) 579-4709
Now, on another note:
You contacted me last August offering me the chance to get in on your
'My 61 Memorable Games' scam.
"you know it, I know it."
Why you choose to pin it on me, is the #1 reason I will not settle out
of court with you. I want to read your discoveries and hear your
deposition in person. I am looking forward to my day in court against
you. You can beat your chest all you want here, but my day in court is
nearing!!
20 Days TIC TIC TIC
Jul-14-08
Edward Labate: <Ed Trice: I see...also known as 'Rob Mitchell', has
signed on. >
<From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:23:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Non-Disclosure compliance: 3rd request
To: 'Rob Mitchell'
I'll save you a great deal of effort.
I rescinded my US Citizenship in July of 2006 when the Fischer-Kaprov
match took shape and we accumulated over $20 million in pledged
European airing contracts should the event take place. I did so under
advice of my attorneys at Hodgson Russ LLC, who said any moneys I
receive as a US citizen could be in jeopardy otherwise.
It was a recalcitrant process to swear allegiance to the Crown, which
took a tremendous amount of effort to overcome the coddling request to
maintain dual citizenship. I did so as a single citizen of England,
and England only. I managed to complete the ordeal in a record timely
fashion. I own property in the West End of London, I've been 'on the
books' as a full time consultant and contractor there, and I am still,
in every respect, an English citizen with a British Passport currently
on American soil.
I have not, as of yet, re-patriated myself.
So make all the noise you want, I'm not motivated in any way to
respond. >
Gee, shouldn't INS have been notified at the World Open?? Does Ed
Trice have a green card?? Is it possible that Ed Trice is an illegal
alien?? I mean, it's not a coincidence that his initials are 'ET', is
it????
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Date: 16 Jul 2008 15:19:34
From: Ed Trice
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Links to some tournaments that people say never happened
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/sn3.
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/conor.
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/dave_bryan.
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/ed_dave.
I suppose you will all claim they are CGI, especiall
"EddieLaMasterBate"
Labate, you're a lunatic. You are insane. There, save that
--
Ed Trice
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Date: 17 Jul 2008 17:27:00
From: TheDoc
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Ed Trice;277265 Wrote:
> Links to some tournaments that people say never happened
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/sn3.
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/conor.
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/dave_bryan.
>
> http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/ed_dave.
>
> I suppose you will all claim they are CGI, especiall
> "EddieLaMasterBate"
>
> Labate, you're a lunatic. You are insane. There, save that.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN AT THIS SITE AND TO ED TRICE. I FORMALLY DEMAN
THAT YOU PERMANENTLY REMOVE THIS PHOTO....
http://www.gothicchess.com/tournaments/supernats.
THE PICTURE SHOWS MY SON AND HIS BEST FRIEND(BOTH MINORS) PLAYIN
AROUND WITH GOTHIC CHESS AT ED TRICES SALES BOOTH IN THE SKIDDLES ROOM
I DO NOT GIVE PERMISSION TO POST THIS PICTURE. I CERTAINLY DO NOT GIV
PERMISSION TO POST IT IN CONNECTION WITH A FRAUDULENT LIE. MY SO
PICTURED THERE DID NOT PLAY IN A GOTHIC CHESS TOURNAMENT, WAS NO
PLAYING IN A GOTHIC CHESS TOURNAMENT, AND BEING THERE I NEVER SAW AN
GOTHIC CHESS TOURNAMENT. I AM FURIOUS THAT YOU ARE PUBLICLY POSTING M
SONS PICTURE WITHOUT PERMISSION AS PROOF OF A FRAUDULENT LIE. YOU WIL
PERMANENTLY REMOVE THIS PHOTO FROM THIS SITE AS WILL ED TRICE FROM HI
SITES OR LEGAL ACTION WILL BE FILED IMMEDIATELY
--
TheDoc
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Date: 14 Jul 2008 11:20:06
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:01=A0am, Rook House <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:26 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> > personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.
>
> Thanks Rob, consider it added to the list. =A0Below is an updated E.T.
> Wall of Lies:
>
> -- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
> Match.
>
> -- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
> no proof of this.
>
> -- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
> Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
> bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. =A0 Yeah, I'm sure
> that happened.
>
> -- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
> Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable =A0Games" hoax.
>
> -- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
> his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
> else. =A0 Completely pathetic.
>
> -- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
> posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
> busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
>
> -- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
> but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
> there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
>
> -- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
> mid-1300 player. =A0He lies about that until he can't lie any more, THEN
> claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even really
> him, it's his cousin, yet =A0has a link to the rating site on his own
> Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. =A0 He's too stupid to
> even be a good liar.
>
> -- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
> Fischer. =A0Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
> witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
> this. =A0 Very convenient.
>
> -- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
> day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
> he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. =A0 Talk about lying so much that
> YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
>
> -- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
> events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
> about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
>
> -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
>
> I'm sure there is much more to come.
He also now claims that his site was merely a "beta template" to sell
to realtors. LOL Now about his site legallyownlandsonmars.com. If he
was not trying to sell property on Mars then why is the paypal link
active to take payments? He was caught "Red-handed" trying to sell the
red dirt of Mars.
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 19:05:29
From:
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 12:29=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jul 9, 1:10 pm, RookHouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > -- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
> > Match.
>
> It is absolutely not true that Ed Trice said that he had raised 14
> million for the Fischer-Karpov Match.
>
> He personally told me that he had raised 15 million for that match.
>
> Sam Sloan
Oh, ok. FIFTEEN MILLION. Not fourteen million. Thanks for clearing
that up. Becuase I wouldn't believe the claim if it was only 14
million. But 15 million is believable, at least to me, despite the
fact that that is more than Tiger Woods wins in a tournament, in a
game that people actually give a crap about. But, hey, people either
don't believe or don't take seriously anything that is not mind-
blowing. And, sadly, most people didn't believe that sponsors had
comitted 15 million dollars for a game of chess - strike that - not
even chess, but a game something like chess. Now, if the prize money
was 15 BILLION, maybe you'd have something!!!
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Date: 12 Jul 2008 21:58:30
From: ChessVariant Inventor
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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What could be more interesting than Sam Sloan vs Ed Trice in a Gothi
Chess Boxing match!
One round of Gothic Chess, followed by one round of boxing unti
someone drops.
Surely people would pay to see this! 15 million no problem
--
ChessVariant Inventor
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 10:03:09
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:29=A0am, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jul 9, 1:10 pm, RookHouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > -- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
> > Match.
>
> It is absolutely not true that Ed Trice said that he had raised 14
> million for the Fischer-Karpov Match.
>
> He personally told me that he had raised 15 million for that match.
>
> Sam Sloan
LOL
Thats correct. He did say 15 million. So he lied about having 15
million and not 14 million. Good catch !
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 09:29:22
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 9, 1:10 pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> -- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
> Match.
It is absolutely not true that Ed Trice said that he had raised 14
million for the Fischer-Karpov Match.
He personally told me that he had raised 15 million for that match.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 09:01:26
From: Rook House
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:26 am, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.
Thanks Rob, consider it added to the list. Below is an updated E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more, THEN
claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even really
him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his own
Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to
even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
I'm sure there is much more to come.
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 08:57:56
From: Rook House
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:26 am, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.
>
Thanks Rob, consider it added to the list. Below is an updated E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic
Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely
disrespected Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games"
hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming)
with his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on
someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on
his own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too
stupid to even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact
that he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much
that YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
I'm sure there is much more to come.
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 08:55:28
From: Rook House
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:26 am, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.- Hide quoted text -
Thanks Rob, consider it added to the list. Below is an updated E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely
disrespected Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games"
hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming)
with his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on
his own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too
stupid to even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact
that he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much
that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
I'm sure there is much more to come.
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 08:52:53
From: Rook House
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 11, 11:26=A0am, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> -- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
> personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.- Hide quoted=
text -
>
Thanks Rob, consider it added to the list. Below is an updated E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic
Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely
disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming)
with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on
his
own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid
to
even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact
that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- He claims to have pictures AND video from all of his Gothic chess
events that support the ridiculous attendance numbers that he lied
about, yet he refuses to produce any of these.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice
I'm sure there is much more to come.
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Date: 11 Jul 2008 08:26:56
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 9, 12:10=A0pm, RookHouse <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:44=A0am, Edward Labate <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone who always tells
> > the truth has a very good explanation
>
> Boy, I leave the chess group for a few weeks and I come back to find a
> snake in the house, namely Ed Trice ( A.K.A. Scarlet Rose, Victor
> Rose, Chess Historian, Canadian Scammer, Helgi ).
> Rather than argue with this compulsive liar and proven fraud, let's
> recap just a few of his "better moments". =A0We can call this the E.T.
> Wall of Lies:
> -- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
> Match.
> -- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
> no proof of this.
> -- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
> Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
> bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. =A0 Yeah, I'm sure
> that happened.
> -- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
> Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable =A0Games" hoax.
> -- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
> his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
> else. =A0 Completely pathetic.
> -- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
> posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
> busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
> -- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
> but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
> there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
> -- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
> mid-1300 player. =A0He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
> THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
> really him, it's his cousin, yet =A0has a link to the rating site on his
> own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. =A0 He's too stupid to
> even be a good liar.
> -- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
> Fischer. =A0Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
> witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
> this. =A0 Very convenient.
> -- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
> day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
> he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. =A0 Talk about lying so much that
> YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
> In addition to all of this, the moron shows up at the World Open with
> a t-shirt that basically advertises that he perpetrated the "My 61
> Memorable Games" hoax, arrogantly has someone take a picture of him
> (not a very flattering one by the way), and doesn't even play a single
> game of chess in the tournament. =A0 =A0What an idiot.
> Everything on this list is just off the top of my head, I'm sure that
> the list could go on much further and I'm sure that Trice will have
> some rebuttals that are completely devoid of any facts, as always.
> Feel free to contribute to the E.T. Wall of Lies.
-- He claimed that Burt Rutan owned land on Mars and Mr. Rutan
personally denied these claims and has never heard of Trice.
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Date: 09 Jul 2008 10:10:39
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
|
On Jul 8, 3:44=A0am, Edward Labate <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone who always tells
> the truth has a very good explanation
>
Boy, I leave the chess group for a few weeks and I come back to find a
snake in the house, namely Ed Trice ( A.K.A. Scarlet Rose, Victor
Rose, Chess Historian, Canadian Scammer, Helgi ).
Rather than argue with this compulsive liar and proven fraud, let's
recap just a few of his "better moments". We can call this the E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his
own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to
even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
In addition to all of this, the moron shows up at the World Open with
a t-shirt that basically advertises that he perpetrated the "My 61
Memorable Games" hoax, arrogantly has someone take a picture of him
(not a very flattering one by the way), and doesn't even play a single
game of chess in the tournament. What an idiot.
Everything on this list is just off the top of my head, I'm sure that
the list could go on much further and I'm sure that Trice will have
some rebuttals that are completely devoid of any facts, as always.
Feel free to contribute to the E.T. Wall of Lies.
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Date: 09 Jul 2008 06:04:35
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
|
On Jul 8, 3:44=A0am, Edward Labate <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone who always tells
> the truth has a very good explanation
>
Boy, I leave the chess group for a few weeks and I come back to find a
snake in the house, namely Ed Trice ( A.K.A. Scarlet Rose, Victor
Rose, Chess Historian, Canadian Scammer, Helgi ).
Rather than argue with this compulsive liar and proven fraud, let's
recap just a few of his "better moments". We can call this the E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his
own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to
even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- The moron shows up at the World Open with a t-shirt that basically
advertises that he perpetrated the "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax,
arrogantly has someone take a picture of him (not a very flattering
one by the way), and doesn't even play a single game of chess in the
tournament. What an idiot.
This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure that the list could go
on much further and I'm sure that Trice will have some factless
rebuttals, as always.
Please feel free to contribute to the E.T. Wall of Lies.
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Date: 09 Jul 2008 05:25:38
From: RookHouse
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
|
Boy, I leave the chess group for a few weeks and I come back to find a
snake in the house, namely Ed Trice ( A.K.A. Scarlet Rose, Victor
Rose, Chess Historian, Canadian Scammer, Helgi ).
Rather than argue with this compulsive liar and proven fraud, let's
recap just a few of his "better moments". We can call this the E.T.
Wall of Lies:
-- He lied about raising 14 million dollars for a Fischer Gothic Chess
Match.
-- He claimed to write the world champion checkers program, but shows
no proof of this.
-- He claimed that Donald Trump wanted to buy the patent for "Gothic
Chess" from him, but he wouldn't sell (although he's declared
bankruptcy), even when being offered a 7 figure sum. Yeah, I'm sure
that happened.
-- He tried to scam the entire chess world and completely disrespected
Bobby Fischer with his fake "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax.
-- After getting caught red-handed (the evidence is overwhelming) with
his "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax, he tries to blame it on someone
else. Completely pathetic.
-- He created several aliases (Scarlet Rose, Victor Rose, etc.),
posted lies to chess newsgroups with them, and even after he was
busted, continues to lie and deny that they were him.
-- Claims he was never married to cover some other lie that he told,
but then turned around on another site and is quoted as saying "I was
there with my wife Ellie" when referring to a trip to Paris.
-- He claims to be a 2200 rated player, but facts show that he's a
mid-1300 player. He lies about that until he can't lie any more,
THEN claims that the "Ed Trice" on USCF's rating site is not even
really him, it's his cousin, yet has a link to the rating site on his
own Wiki page that clearly shows that he's lying. He's too stupid to
even be a good liar.
-- Makes trip to Iceland with Frank Camaratta, but never meets
Fischer. Supposedly goes to Iceland again by himself (with no
witnesses) and magically meets Fischer with nobody around to verify
this. Very convenient.
-- He claims one day to be a British citizen, but then the very next
day (when it's convenient for his argument) hides behind the fact that
he's a U.S. citizen and has rights. Talk about lying so much that
YOU don't even know what the truth is anymore.
-- The moron shows up at the World Open with a t-shirt that basically
advertises that he perpetrated the "My 61 Memorable Games" hoax,
arrogantly has someone take a picture of him (not a very flattering
one by the way), and doesn't even play a single game of chess in the
tournament. What an idiot.
This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure that the list could go
on much further. Feel free to contribute to the E.T. Wall of Lies.
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Date: 08 Jul 2008 13:38:02
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
|
On Jul 7, 3:40=A0pm, Rob <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:10=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Are you sure you met the famous Ed Trice and not his dunder-headed
> > 1342 rated cousin?http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DEd_Trice&=
diff=3D160430300&old...
>
> > Here are the USCF member details for the cousin of Edward A Trice, who
> > is also, rather confusingly, also called Edward A Trice:http://www.usch=
ess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
>
> > I must inform the chessgames.com guys about this mistake, as one of
> > the 1342 rated Ed Trice's games has mistakenly been included in the
> > page for the famous Ed Trice:http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?g=
id=3D1493593
>
> > And, to add to the confusion, the famous Ed Trice has commented on
> > this game as if it's his own. My god, if Ed Trice can't tell himself
> > apart from his cousin, what chance do we have?
>
> Wikipedia now has the correction:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ed_Tri=
ce
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Mr Sloan said this about Trice:
Re: [Chess Variants] a man named Ed Trice
--- In [email protected], John Kipling Lewis <jklewis@... >
wrote:
>
>
> Well that sucks. I know Ed has a big ego and with that comes both a
> following of detractors as well as admirers. But there's
definitely no
> reason for anyone to deface his wikipedia page. If you have a
gripe, spit
> it out.
>
> John Lewis
I disagree. It is starting to appear that all of the claims Ed Trice
has been making about himself are false or at least questionable. He
almost certainly did not write the world champion checkers program. He
did not raise $14 million for a Fischer Gothic Chess Match. He almost
certainly did perpetuate the "My 61 Memorable Games" Hoax.
He creates fake personalities who support him on the Internet such as
"Scarlet Rose", "Victor Rose" and "ChessHistorian".
I would favor deleting his entire Wikipedia biography and then
rebuilding it from verifiable sources.
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
Sam Sloan
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Date: 09 Jul 2008 03:31:41
From: Ed Trice
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
|
Dear Sam,
I will address your points in turn.
1. "He almost certainly did not write the world champion checker
program. "
The NAME of the program was "World Championship Checkers", or "WCC" fo
short. If you look at link to Circumflex Software from May 22, 1997, yo
will see this page:
http://web.archive.org/web/19970522045151/http://www.circumflex.com/
There is a button on that page to order the Macintosh version or the P
version of this program.
http://web.archive.org/web/19970522045349/www.circumflex.com/WCC.html
WCC was the 4th generation of "Cornell Checkers", a program writte
with a 32-bit DOS extender running under 16-bit Windows. It was
COMPLETE RE-WRITE of the older program. I wrote the Macintosh version
The PC version was written by Gil Dodgen.
As I was able to beat the older version, Gil asked for my help i
creating a new evaluation function. I did that, and also changed quit
a bit to get it to work on the Mac.
NOTE: This is not a claim that I wrote THE program that was the WORL
CHAMPION of checkers. That distinction belonged to Chinook.
You are confusing the NAME of the program with a TITLE, and that i
your mistake.
2. "He did not raise $14 million for a Fischer Gothic Chess Match."
That is 100% correct. I raised $15,000,000 over a period of 2 years
This was even stated in "New in Chess" issue 28, or whatever the numbe
was, that was the "Bobby Fischer Special Edition" that came out aroun
March 2008. In it, Fridrik Olafsson confirms that I visited him i
Iceland and presented the documentation of the prize fund. Check you
sources. It is the same issue that Labate used to claim I never me
Fischer.
You can also listen to my interview on the Dan Heisman show here:
http://www.GothicChess.com/radio.wma
3. He almost certainly did perpetuate the "My 61 Memorable Games
Hoax.
BULL_s_h_i_t.
4. He creates fake personalities who support him on the Internet suc
as
"Scarlet Rose", "Victor Rose" and "ChessHistorian".
Again, completely wrong. "Scarlet Rose" is a woman who lives in Wyomin
that plays on the BrainKing.com website where I used to play. He
profile is here:
http://brainking.com/en/Profile?u=2925
I vaguely recall someone named Victor, possibly from the GCL site
ChessHistorian was the person who did an article on my for th
Baltimore Sun Times when I helped Dr. Schaeffer solve the game o
checkers.
My name is on the Chinook website here:
http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/thankyou/
ChessHistorian also contacted Schaeffer in Canada
--
Ed Trice
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Date: 09 Jul 2008 11:49:57
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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"Ed Trice" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 2. "He did not raise $14 million for a Fischer Gothic Chess Match."
>
> That is 100% correct. I raised $15,000,000 over a period of 2 years.
> This was even stated in "New in Chess" issue 28, or whatever the number
> was, that was the "Bobby Fischer Special Edition" that came out around
> March 2008.
Just to clarify; does that mean there was $15 million interested dollars -
pending match arrangements there being a total of $15 million which had been
canvassed, but not exactly commited?
> In it, Fridrik Olafsson confirms that I visited him in
> Iceland and presented the documentation of the prize fund. Check your
> sources.
I did <my source is Saemi P, my phone and e-mail > and this part about
visiting Iceland seems correct,
> It is the same issue that Labate used to claim I never met
> Fischer.
Though, is it exactly true to say that although you visited Iceland you did
not get to interview with Fischer?
Phil Innes
> --
> Ed Trice
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Date: 08 Jul 2008 00:44:46
From: Edward Labate
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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=46rom Ed Trice: =93OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone
who always tells the truth has a very good explanation.=94
My explanation Trice??? You can=92t read=85you=92re an IDIOT.
Jon DSouzaEva is an Englishman with a BCF grading of 173, pretty close
to yours at the direction your rating=92s taking, Mr. 1352!!
Look it up yourself.
http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/getplayers.php?players=3DD%27Souza-Eva&in=
active=3D1
List of players by name
Ref Name Sex Age Club(s) Category Grade Last Year Cat Rapid Last Year
264249K
D'Souza-Eva, Daniel M 8 Oxford High School A 27 15
110291G
D'Souza-Eva, Jon M Cowley C 173 173 E 158 158
2 Record(s) Found
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So =91I=92 wrote to Edward and should sign =91Edward=92??? So it should lo=
ok
like this to make any sense???
=93
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:08 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Trice arrested!
Hi Edward,
I can't make head or tail of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/4u4ne9
It's definitely "our" Ed Trice. If I read it correctly, he was
arrested for harassment of some kind, appealed, and was found not
guilty.
Best wishes,
Edward=94
Please note:
To: Edward
Hi Edward
Best Wishes, Edward!!
Nice work COLOMBO!! Yep, makes a lot sense Trice.
Here=92s the original email that I simply copied and pasted, and removed
Jon=92s name from the public posting:
=93
From: Jon D'Souza-Eva [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:08 PM
To: Edward Labate
Subject: Trice arrested!
Hi Edward,
I can't make head or tail of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/4u4ne9
It's definitely "our" Ed Trice. If I read it correctly, he was
arrested for harassment of some kind, appealed, and was found not
guilty.
Best wishes,
Jon=94
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No you moron, all I did was copy and paste an email Jon DSouzaEva sent
to me without commentary. Your inability to comprehend appears to be
worse than your inability to play chess, Mr. 1352!!
Regarding coming to your website to post, I=92ve already seen you
embellish, edit and remove other posts=85remember Greg Strong!!! You=92d
have me confessing to poisoning Bobby Fischer if I ever came near your
post. I=92ll just wait for the depositions, discoveries and your
witness stand performances. I=92m a patience man, especially when the
payoff is your total demise!!
You and I both know along with Frank Camaratta, Dan Heisman, Bruce
Towell, Cathy Purdy and various others that you were the ASSHOLE
behind the =91My 61 Memorable Games=92 Scam.
Here you are, you know the whole truth and yet, you are astoundingly
relentless on your bull shit!! You are the lowest of lows, the
slimest life force I=92ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
Don=92t you have a lawsuit to answer?? And Trice, I won=92t settle out of
court. I want to bury you once and for all=85and a settlement will
allow you to return one day.
Edward Labate
P.S. NICE PICTURE Mr. GQ =85 =91Can you say Discipline?=92
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:23 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Labate Lies, He Is "JonDSouzaEva" on ChessGames.com
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_Chess_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3D434
Sorry to email this again to the 112 people on my email distribution
list about Ed Labate. But here he is online "forgetting" that he
logged in as "Ed Labate", and he signed his name "Jon".
OK Ed, let's hear your explanation. I'm sure someone who always tells
the truth has a very good explanation
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 16:13:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 7, 12:06 pm, J=FCrgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I am banned from
> > Wikipedia in retaliation for filing the Sloan vs. Truong "Fake Sam
> > Sloan" lawsuit in federal court.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
> My condolences; however, congratulations for your great performance
> at the World Open: +2 -6 in the U2000, several did worse.
I must admit that I played horribly at this World Open. I have an
excuse. I had not played since the August 2007 US Open in Cherry Hill.
Perhaps this explains why on the first day of play in which I had to
play five games at game in 45, I made terrible blunders in four of the
games. In each game I had winning or nearly winning positions at the
time I made the blunder.
Next time, I should warm up by playing in some blitz or minor
tournaments before entering the World Open.
I played myself into form to some extent. I entered the Game in 10
tournament and actually gained rating points. Also in the main event
I won two of my last three games.
I expect that my rating will hit my floor of 1900 for the first time
in my life, after this 3-6 exceptionally poor performance when all of
my opponents were rated lower than me.
The only interesting point was that I played three of our top
scholastic players. I played Benjamin Moon who is our number 12 rated
player age 10, Christopher Wu, who is our number 4 rated player aged 9
and Miles Hinson who is not on the top lists apparently due to an
oversight because he is a 1829 rated player and he seems to be 11 or
12 years old.
The only even mildly interesting game was against Christopher Wu.
There are five players named Christopher Wu in the USCF rating lists.
This is the one from New Jersey.
I played my extremely solid Damiano's Defense, which goes 1. e4 e5 2.
Nf3 f6!!! Naturally, after 3. Nxe5 Black just plays 3. ... fxe5 and
Black is a knight ahead.
However, my 9-year-old opponent played what I call the Damiano's
Defense Declined by playing 3. Bc4. Since he is just a kid I wonder if
he even knew about 3. Nxe5.
He was using a Monroi. Steve Immitt asked whether this game was being
broadcast on the Internet. Does anybody know the answer to this
question?
On the bus back to New York, Grandmaster Yudasin demonstrated why he
is a much stronger player than I am by pointing out an easy win that
both of us had missed over the board. Remember that Yudasin was
commenting blindfolded while riding on a Chinese bus on an opening he
had never seen before, since Yudasin obviously does not spend much
time studying the Damiano's Defense.
I am wondering how many readers here can point out what Yudasin saw
but both players in the game missed. HINT: It involves a knight
sacrifice.
Anyway, the game developed into something similar to a Philador's
Defense. In the Philador's Defense, Black gets a cramped and
unpleasant position and he just hangs on and waits and hopes that
White does something foolish.
That is what I did and that is what finally happened. I found a nice
little combination at the end which my opponent did not see coming.
Even if he had seen it, I would have had an equal and playable game.
Sam Sloan
[Event "World Open, Under 2000"]
[Site "Philadelphia PA"]
[Date "2008.07.06"]
[Round "09"]
[White "Wu,Christopher"]
[Black "Sloan,Sam"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C40"]
[WhiteElo "1780"]
[BlackElo "1923"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Bc4 Ne7 4.Nc3 c6 5.d4 d6 6.Be3 Bg4 7.d5
cxd5 8.Nxd5 Nbc6 9.O-O f5 10.h3 Bh5 11.Nxe7 Bxe7 12.Bd5
fxe4 13.Bxe4 O-O 14.Qd2 Qd7 15.Nh2 Rad8 16.c4 Kh8 17.Kh1
Qe6 18.b3 Qf6 19.a4 a6 20.a5 Rd7 21.Rab1 Qh4 22.Bd5 Bd8
23.b4 Bf7 24.Nf3 Qh5 25.Ng1 Bxd5 26.Qxd5 Qg6 27.Ne2 Ne7
28.Qd2 d5 29.Bc5 d4 30.f4 d3 31.Nc3 e4 32.Rbe1 Rg8 33.Nxe4
Nf5 34.Rf3 Bh4 35.Bf2 Bxf2 36.Rxf2 Re8 37.Nc5 Ng3+ 38.Kg1
Ne2+ 39.Rfxe2 Rxe2 40.Rxe2 dxe2 41.Nxd7 Qb1+ 42.Kf2 Qf1+ 0-1
[Event "World Open, Under 2000"]
[Site "Philadelphia PA"]
[Date "2008.07.04"]
[Round "02"]
[White "Sloan,Sam"]
[Black "Nath,Sathish R"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "1923"]
[BlackElo "1846"]
1.g4 e5 2.Bg2 c6 3.d3 d5 4.h3 Bd6 5.Nc3 Ne7 6.e4 Be6 7.Nf3
h6 8.O-O Ng6 9.Re1 Nd7 10.a3 Qc7 11.exd5 cxd5 12.Nb5 Qb6
13.Nxd6+ Qxd6 14.b4 f6 15.Qe2 O-O 16.Nd4 Rae8 17.Nf5 Bxf5
18.gxf5 Nf4 19.Bxf4 exf4 20.Qxe8 Rxe8 21.Rxe8+ Kh7 22.Rae1
Ne5 23.d4 Qd7 24.Ra8 Qxf5 25.dxe5 fxe5 26.Bxd5 Qxh3 27.Be4+
g6 28.f3 Qg3+ 29.Kf1 Qh3+ 30.Ke2 Qg2+ 31.Kd1 Qf2 32.Rb8
Qd4+ 33.Bd3 h5 34.Rxb7+ Kh6 35.Re7 Qa1+ 36.Kd2 Qxa3
37.R1xe5 Qxb4+ 38.Ke2 1-0
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Date: 08 Jul 2008 02:06:49
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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"samsloan" <[email protected] > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:ff578f77-b0ae-49da-bf5a-283b0906afdd@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 7, 12:06 pm, J�rgen R. <[email protected] > wrote:
> > I am banned from
> > Wikipedia in retaliation for filing the Sloan vs. Truong "Fake Sam
> > Sloan" lawsuit in federal court.
>
> > Sam Sloan
>
> My condolences; however, congratulations for your great performance
> at the World Open: +2 -6 in the U2000, several did worse.
>I must admit that I played horribly at this World Open. I have an
>excuse.
Real men don't make excuses. 181st out of 231 - reminds me of
the last USCF election: Sloan, you were born to fail.
[bla bla]
>Sam Sloan
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 13:40:05
From: Rob
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 7, 9:10=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> Are you sure you met the famous Ed Trice and not his dunder-headed
> 1342 rated cousin?http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=3DEd_Trice&di=
ff=3D160430300&old...
>
> Here are the USCF member details for the cousin of Edward A Trice, who
> is also, rather confusingly, also called Edward A Trice:http://www.usches=
s.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
>
> I must inform the chessgames.com guys about this mistake, as one of
> the 1342 rated Ed Trice's games has mistakenly been included in the
> page for the famous Ed Trice:http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=
=3D1493593
>
> And, to add to the confusion, the famous Ed Trice has commented on
> this game as if it's his own. My god, if Ed Trice can't tell himself
> apart from his cousin, what chance do we have?
Wikipedia now has the correction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ed_Trice
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 07:52:07
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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On Jul 7, 10:10 am, [email protected] wrote:
> Are you sure you met the famous Ed Trice and not his dunder-headed
> 1342 rated cousin?http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Trice&diff=160430300&old...
>
> Here are the USCF member details for the cousin of Edward A Trice, who
> is also, rather confusingly, also called Edward A Trice:http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
>
> I must inform the chessgames.com guys about this mistake, as one of
> the 1342 rated Ed Trice's games has mistakenly been included in the
> page for the famous Ed Trice:http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1493593
>
> And, to add to the confusion, the famous Ed Trice has commented on
> this game as if it's his own. My god, if Ed Trice can't tell himself
> apart from his cousin, what chance do we have?
Good catch. The comments by Ed Trice on chessgames.com prove that the
Ed Trice who is rated 1342 by the USCF is the same person as the Ed
Trice who claims to be a master with a 2227 rating.
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
The game shown is also clearly a game by a 1342 strength player.
Somebody should inform Wikipedia about this. I am banned from
Wikipedia in retaliation for filing the Sloan vs. Truong "Fake Sam
Sloan" lawsuit in federal court.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 18:06:06
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?=
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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> I am banned from
> Wikipedia in retaliation for filing the Sloan vs. Truong "Fake Sam
> Sloan" lawsuit in federal court.
>
> Sam Sloan
My condolences; however, congratulations for your great performance
at the World Open: +2 -6 in the U2000, several did worse.
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 07:10:23
From:
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Are you sure you met the famous Ed Trice and not his dunder-headed
1342 rated cousin?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Trice&diff=160430300&oldid=159369879
Here are the USCF member details for the cousin of Edward A Trice, who
is also, rather confusingly, also called Edward A Trice:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
I must inform the chessgames.com guys about this mistake, as one of
the 1342 rated Ed Trice's games has mistakenly been included in the
page for the famous Ed Trice:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1493593
And, to add to the confusion, the famous Ed Trice has commented on
this game as if it's his own. My god, if Ed Trice can't tell himself
apart from his cousin, what chance do we have?
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 07:02:10
From:
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Edward Labate will soon own that t-shirt when he wins his $21.2
million lawsuit against Trice. Trice has been served and his days are
numbered.
Trice seems to have given up on Gothic Chess as a going concern and
now works for "Four Incorporated":
http://www.linkedin.com/in/edtrice
I can't find any sign of this company online, could he mean "Fantastic
Four Incorporated"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fantastic_Four_Incorporated)
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 06:55:51
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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Ed Trice said that he had traveled to Iceland with Frank Camaratta.
They did not get to meet Fischer on that trip. However, Ed Trice had
made two other trips to Iceland alone and on the third trip he got to
meet Fischer.
To learn more about Ed Trice, read his biography on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Trice
However, be forewarned that many of the claims made in that biography
seem doubtful or are unverifiable.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 07 Jul 2008 22:58:18
From: Ed Trice
Subject: Re: I met the Great Ed Trice
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samsloan;275947 Wrote:
> Ed Trice said that he had traveled to Iceland with Frank Camaratta.
> They did not get to meet Fischer on that trip. However, Ed Trice had
> made two other trips to Iceland alone and on the third trip he got to
> meet Fischer.
>
> To learn more about Ed Trice, read his biography on Wikipedia.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Trice
>
> However, be forewarned that many of the claims made in that biography
> seem doubtful or are unverifiable.
>
> Sam Sloan
Sam,
Dan Heisman mentioned your name to me and that you had some question
for me. I looked up your board from the U2000 section. At one point i
time, late in your last game, you had walked away from your board an
were chatting with someone in the adjacent "buffer" room. I politel
informed you that you had less than 18 minutes left on your clock an
it was now running.
Clearly you should remember this.
After your game was over, I introduced myself to you again, and wante
to know what questions you had for me. I answered all of the question
you asked me.
Jerry Hanken only had one glib remark to make from his motorize
wheelchair before he excused himself to the rest room.
You mentioned "many of the claims" on my page are not verifiable.
Would you care to enumerate them at present so that I can understan
what you consider "many", and what you consider "not verifiable?"
Thanks.
--Ed Tric
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Ed Trice
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