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Date: 03 Dec 2007 10:03:26
From: Jam boy
Subject: Is it a good potential?
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I have a friend who performs about 2400 elo after only 2 years and a
half since he learned chess. How good is it, even in front to the
typical GM carreer?
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Date: 07 Dec 2007 05:56:50
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On Dec 7, 8:38 am, David Richerby <[email protected] >
wrote:
> Kenneth Sloan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Taylor Kingston wrote:
> >> If he has beaten people with genuine FIDE ratings of 2400 many
> >> times, only two years after learning the game, then I would say
> >> your friend has rekable talent. I would encourage him develop it
> >> as much as he can, as long as he enjoys it.
>
> > What if he's only defeated Phil Innes?
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> Then he's already scored his first nearly-IM norm!
I think the way it works is that he would need to
defeat the 2450 nearly-an-IM Innes in a *match* in
order to get a nearly-norm. Anybody can get lucky
in one game (Rybka, Fritz 11, GM Kramnik, etc.).
-- help bot
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Date: 07 Dec 2007 04:36:59
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On Dec 6, 5:03 pm, Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
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> What if he's only defeated Phil Innes?
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> --
> Kenneth Sloan
Then it would be for him a waste of time to
play against Kenneth Sloan.
Wlod
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 08:20:06
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On Dec 6, 4:32 am, Jam boy <[email protected] > wrote:
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> He s 2400 on the base that he played and won with people that have a
> 2400 rating FIDE many times, and on the base that he defeats many
> programs *even in blitz of about that strenght.
If he has beaten people with genuine FIDE ratings of 2400 many
times, only two years after learning the game, then I would say your
friend has rekable talent. I would encourage him develop it as much
as he can, as long as he enjoys it.
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 19:03:07
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
> On Dec 6, 4:32 am, Jam boy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> He s 2400 on the base that he played and won with people that have a
>> 2400 rating FIDE many times, and on the base that he defeats many
>> programs *even in blitz of about that strenght.
>
> If he has beaten people with genuine FIDE ratings of 2400 many
> times, only two years after learning the game, then I would say your
> friend has rekable talent. I would encourage him develop it as much
> as he can, as long as he enjoys it.
>
What if he's only defeated Phil Innes?
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Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 07 Dec 2007 13:38:52
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Taylor Kingston wrote:
>> If he has beaten people with genuine FIDE ratings of 2400 many
>> times, only two years after learning the game, then I would say
>> your friend has rekable talent. I would encourage him develop it
>> as much as he can, as long as he enjoys it.
>
> What if he's only defeated Phil Innes?
Then he's already scored his first nearly-IM norm!
Dave.
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www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ a cat but it's totally weird and not
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 07:44:38
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On Dec 6, 4:32 am, Jam boy <[email protected] > wrote:
> > > I have a friend who performs about 2400 elo after only 2 years and a
> > > half since he learned chess. How good is it, even in front to the
> > > typical GM carreer?
>
> > On what do you base the claim that he is "about 2400 Elo"? Is that
> > his USCF or FIDE rating? Or some web-site's? Nowadays there are many
> > sites with many different rating systems, not all equally valid.
> > Unless that's a rating from FIDE or a national federation, and one
> > based on a statistically significant number of games, I'd be chary of
> > claiming 2400 strength.
>
> He s 2400 on the base that he played and won with people that have a
> 2400 rating FIDE many times, and on the base that he defeats many
> programs *even in blitz of about that strenght.
Sounds to me like your "friend" is a scaredy-cat.
If he/she/it beats up on FIDO 2400s and computers,
why not just walk right up to the rating pool, take a
deep breath, and jump in? The worst that can
happen is the temperature is found to be a bit frigid
(or some protruding rock is concealed in the murky
deep). Don't be a chicken -- jump in there like the
Croc' Hunter did and just see what happens.
Remember: Deep Fritz made IM before he was
two years old, and he can do it, then your friend
can too.
-- help bot
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 01:32:16
From: Jam boy
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On 4 Dic, 23:51, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 3, 1:03 pm, Jam boy <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > I have a friend who performs about 2400 elo after only 2 years and a
> > half since he learned chess. How good is it, even in front to the
> > typical GM carreer?
>
> On what do you base the claim that he is "about 2400 Elo"? Is that
> his USCF or FIDE rating? Or some web-site's? Nowadays there are many
> sites with many different rating systems, not all equally valid.
> Unless that's a rating from FIDE or a national federation, and one
> based on a statistically significant number of games, I'd be chary of
> claiming 2400 strength.
He s 2400 on the base that he played and won with people that have a
2400 rating FIDE many times, and on the base that he defeats many
programs *even in blitz of about that strenght.
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Date: 04 Dec 2007 15:51:24
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On Dec 3, 1:03 pm, Jam boy <[email protected] > wrote:
> I have a friend who performs about 2400 elo after only 2 years and a
> half since he learned chess. How good is it, even in front to the
> typical GM carreer?
On what do you base the claim that he is "about 2400 Elo"? Is that
his USCF or FIDE rating? Or some web-site's? Nowadays there are many
sites with many different rating systems, not all equally valid.
Unless that's a rating from FIDE or a national federation, and one
based on a statistically significant number of games, I'd be chary of
claiming 2400 strength.
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Date: 03 Dec 2007 10:05:52
From: Jam boy
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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On 3 Dic, 19:03, Jam boy <[email protected] > wrote:
> I have a friend who performs about 2400 elo after only 2 years and a
> half since he learned chess. How good is it, even in front to the
> typical GM carreer?
Uh... he learned chess at about 19 years...
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Date: 03 Dec 2007 10:32:49
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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He is 2400 ELO , and he wants to be a GM ?
That is a good question , how hard is it to go from 2400 ELO to GM ELO
????
I think he has to get to " international master" first ..
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 10:58:20
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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SAT W-7 <[email protected] > wrote:
> He is 2400 ELO , and he wants to be a GM ?
> That is a good question , how hard is it to go from 2400 ELO to GM
> ELO ????
> I think he has to get to " international master" first ..
There's no requirement to become an International Master before
becoming a Grandmaster. Essentially, in order to become an IM or GM,
you have to do well enough in enough FIDE-rated tournaments against
strong-enough opinion and have had a FIDE rating of over 2400 (IM) or
2500 (GM). The definitions of `enough' in the three places I've used
it depend on whether you want to become an IM or GM. See
http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=B0101
for the gory technicalities.
There's no time requirement, so you could, *in theory*, obtain your
2500 rating aged six, then fall down to 1000, and win three GM
tournaments over fifty years and you'd still qualify as a GM, even if
you were still rated under 2500. Of course, that's extremely
unlikely. :-)
Dave.
--
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flesh and it wants to kill you!
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 19:01:47
From: Kenneth Sloan
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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David Richerby wrote:
> SAT W-7 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> He is 2400 ELO , and he wants to be a GM ?
>> That is a good question , how hard is it to go from 2400 ELO to GM
>> ELO ????
>> I think he has to get to " international master" first ..
>
> There's no requirement to become an International Master before
> becoming a Grandmaster. Essentially, in order to become an IM or GM,
> you have to do well enough in enough FIDE-rated tournaments against
> strong-enough opinion and have had a FIDE rating of over 2400 (IM) or
> 2500 (GM). The definitions of `enough' in the three places I've used
> it depend on whether you want to become an IM or GM. See
>
> http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=B0101
>
> for the gory technicalities.
>
> There's no time requirement, so you could, *in theory*, obtain your
> 2500 rating aged six, then fall down to 1000, and win three GM
> tournaments over fifty years and you'd still qualify as a GM, even if
> you were still rated under 2500. Of course, that's extremely
> unlikely. :-)
>
>
> Dave.
>
I was under the impression that the rating requirement was as of the
date the title was granted. Did that change? Or, did I just have it
wrong all the time?
--
Kenneth Sloan [email protected]
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/
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Date: 07 Dec 2007 12:19:32
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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Kenneth Sloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> David Richerby wrote:
>> There's no time requirement, so you could, *in theory*, obtain your
>> 2500 rating aged six, then fall down to 1000, and win three GM
>> tournaments over fifty years and you'd still qualify as a GM, even if
>> you were still rated under 2500. Of course, that's extremely
>> unlikely. :-)
>
> I was under the impression that the rating requirement was as of the
> date the title was granted. Did that change? Or, did I just have it
> wrong all the time?
The wording of the FIDE regulation is `achieved at some time or other
a rating [of 2500]'. It then goes on to explain that the rating
doesn't have to have been published and could even have occurred only
in the middle of a tournament: therefore, it doesn't have to be
current when the title is granted.
I've no idea if this has changed but I don't think it's changed in the
last few years.
Dave.
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it's twice as fast and preserved
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Date: 06 Dec 2007 06:25:09
From: SAT W-7
Subject: Re: Is it a good potential?
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Thanks for the info...
Hey do you know the knock out rules in the on going chess
tournament they are having now ?
I am pulling for Gata K....
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