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Date: 05 Apr 2008 14:10:22
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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For your amusement and entertainment
I made up the gollowing chess variant:
Replace queen by jumper - it captures
exactly like queen but its noncapturing
moves are different: you may jump
vertically or horizontally or diagonally
to any unoccupied square of the same
color as the jumper's present square color.
Thus jumper can change the square color
only by capturing a piece of the opponent.
Observe that jumper attacks and defends
pieces, and participates in the mating
configurations exactly like queen,
Enjoy,
Wlod
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Date: 06 Apr 2008 11:54:40
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Subject: Re: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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On Apr 6, 5:04 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On Apr 5, 2:33 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > I was [also] thinking about a weaker version of
> > jumper, where diagonally it would move like
> > a bishop (without the ability of leaping
> > over pieces) but finally I decided on
> > simplicity of the rules. Even vertically
> > and horizontally one could demand that no
> > piece, which stands on the same color square
> > obstructs the jumper.
>
> Make it: ... Even vertically and horizontally one
> could demand that EVERY piece, which stands on the
> SAME color square obstructs the jumper (from
> moving to any square beyond it).
>
> Anyway, let simply jumper jump diagonally,
> vertically and horizontally to any unoccupied
> square of the same color as the jumper's square
> color just before it moves.
Try it out and see how well it works.
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Date: 06 Apr 2008 02:04:10
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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On Apr 5, 2:33 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
>
>
> I was [also] thinking about a weaker version of
> jumper, where diagonally it would move like
> a bishop (without the ability of leaping
> over pieces) but finally I decided on
> simplicity of the rules. Even vertically
> and horizontally one could demand that no
> piece, which stands on the same color square
> obstructs the jumper.
Make it: ... Even vertically and horizontally one
could demand that EVERY piece, which stands on the
SAME color square obstructs the jumper (from
moving to any square beyond it).
Anyway, let simply jumper jump diagonally,
vertically and horizontally to any unoccupied
square of the same color as the jumper's square
color just before it moves.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 05 Apr 2008 22:38:52
From:
Subject: Re: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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On Apr 5, 5:33 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> You think so? In a separate post I proposed
> the very general idea of asymmetric chess
> (special cases were known and played for years),
> and in particular I have suggested that white
> may have queen, whle black has jumper (or vice
> versa). Do you think that jumper would have
> an advantage?
I will need to hunt down your post. My feel for your piece is that it
seems to feel a bit overpowered, even if both players have it. It
looks like the game becomes more of one where players hunt the
jumper. Maybe I am off. Do you know how to use Zillions? Maybe you
can have Zillions uses it.
> I was thinking about a weaker version of
> jumper, where diagonally it would move like
> a bishop 9without the ability of leaping
> over pieces) but finally I decided on
> simplicity of the rules. Even vertically
> and horizontally one could demand that no
> piece, which stands on the same color square
> obstructs the jumper. Thus we have three
> possibilities: jumper (call it super jumper),
> vh-jumper (lepsa horizontally and vertically but
> diagonally it acts like a bishop) and
> weak jumper (it leaps only over the pieces
> which stand on the other color squares).
After rereading what you wrote, it seems less powerful than I
thought. I was thinking of the movie "Jumpers" when I read your post,
so I thought your piece went anywhere. Anyhow, perhaps having it do a
jumping diagonal movement, but allowing queen like capture would be a
possibility that would work. The question is why you want to use the
piece though, for what purpose. I know mixing it up is cool, but
besides that.
> I feel that the super jumper is the most interesting.
So, in other words, it is an experimental piece you would play with?
I would recommend having one baseline version of chess you use and
then plug the pieces in there to see how they go. I would personally
recommend adding drops and gating to regular chess to get the piece
in, but that is your choice. Then experiment. The best thing to do
is run it in Zillions and watch the AI play. This is because, unless
you have a bunch of willing test subjects, it is going to be hard to
find anyone to do it with.
- Rich
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Date: 05 Apr 2008 14:33:55
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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On Apr 5, 2:20 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Apr 5, 5:10 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > For your amusement and entertainment
> > I made up the gollowing chess variant:
>
> > Replace queen by jumper - it captures
> > exactly like queen but its noncapturing
> > moves are different: you may jump
> > vertically or horizontally or diagonally
> > to any unoccupied square of the same
> > color as the jumper's present square color.
>
> > Thus jumper can change the square color
> > only by capturing a piece of the opponent.
>
> > Observe that jumper attacks and defends
> > pieces, and participates in the mating
> > configurations exactly like queen,
>
> > Enjoy,
>
> > Wlod
>
> Do you have a way to check that piece to make
> sure that piece works in chess?
>
> [...] Your jumper piece could be one of those.
> That piece does look overpowered though.
>
> - Rich
You think so? In a separate post I proposed
the very general idea of asymmetric chess
(special cases were known and played for years),
and in particular I have suggested that white
may have queen, whle black has jumper (or vice
versa). Do you think that jumper would have
an advantage?
I was thinking about a weaker version of
jumper, where diagonally it would move like
a bishop 9without the ability of leaping
over pieces) but finally I decided on
simplicity of the rules. Even vertically
and horizontally one could demand that no
piece, which stands on the same color square
obstructs the jumper. Thus we have three
possibilities: jumper (call it super jumper),
vh-jumper (lepsa horizontally and vertically but
diagonally it acts like a bishop) and
weak jumper (it leaps only over the pieces
which stand on the other color squares).
I feel that the super jumper is the most
interesting.
Thank you, best regards,
Wlod
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Date: 05 Apr 2008 14:20:27
From:
Subject: Re: Jumper - a chess variant (wlod, 2008-04-04)
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On Apr 5, 5:10 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> For your amusement and entertainment
> I made up the gollowing chess variant:
>
> Replace queen by jumper - it captures
> exactly like queen but its noncapturing
> moves are different: you may jump
> vertically or horizontally or diagonally
> to any unoccupied square of the same
> color as the jumper's present square color.
>
> Thus jumper can change the square color
> only by capturing a piece of the opponent.
>
> Observe that jumper attacks and defends
> pieces, and participates in the mating
> configurations exactly like queen,
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Wlod
Do you have a way to check that piece to make sure that piece works in
chess?
Perhaps someone can come up with a Power Mutant version, where you
have a piece called the "Mutant" and then you have a list of powers.
You randomly select what both player's mutant piece will have, and
then you play the game. Your jumper piece could be one of those.
That piece does look overpowered though.
- Rich
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