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Date: 14 May 2008 21:42:56
From: Chvsanchez
Subject: Kramnik: 0%
A new feature of FIDE website: http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4101588:

Color Percentage:

White : Win: 52% Draw: 22% Loss: 26%
Black : Win: 0% Draw: 46% Loss: 54%

Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
information after January 2007.

0 wins with Black? Shocking!




 
Date: 19 May 2008 00:29:56
From: Chvsanchez
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
Those previous figures seemed to be a bit odd, so I asked FIDE if
there was something wrong with the calculations, and they answered
saying "statistics have been updated". The new figures of Kramnik are:

Color Percentage:
29 game(s) with White : Win: 52% Draw: 45% Loss: 3%
28 game(s) with Black : Win: 0% Draw: 93% Loss: 7%

0 win with Black.
1 loss with White.
2 losses with Black.

Better!


  
Date: 19 May 2008 20:41:13
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
Chvsanchez <[email protected] > wrote:
> Those previous figures seemed to be a bit odd, so I asked FIDE if
> there was something wrong with the calculations, and they answered
> saying "statistics have been updated". The new figures of Kramnik are:
>
> Color Percentage:
> 29 game(s) with White : Win: 52% Draw: 45% Loss: 3%
> 28 game(s) with Black : Win: 0% Draw: 93% Loss: 7%

That looks more reasonable, though I'm still surprised he's not won a
single game with black in the last fifteen months. So,
Winnikwithwhite, Drawnikwithblack. :-)


Dave.

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Date: 16 May 2008 20:54:22
From: Chvsanchez
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On 16 mayo, 12:24, zdrakec <[email protected] > wrote:
> On May 16, 10:21=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 10:34=A0am, zdrakec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On May 15, 7:28=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > > On May 15, 12:42=A0am, Chvsanchez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > A new feature of FIDE website:http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?e=
vent=3D4101588:
>
> > > > > Color Percentage:
>
> > > > > White : Win: 52% =A0Draw: 22% =A0Loss: 26%
> > > > > Black : Win: 0% =A0Draw: 46% =A0Loss: 54%
>
> > > > > Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> > > > > information after January 2007.
>
> > > > > 0 wins with Black? Shocking!
>
> > > > =A0 How can White have lost 26% of these games, yet Black has won 0%=
?
> > > > And White has drawn 22%, but Black drew 46%?? Who was White playing
> > > > against -- Beige? Pink? Chartreuse? With whom did Black draw --
> > > > Magenta? Puce? Teal?
>
> > > Oh, Taylor. Say he played 100 games as White, and won 52 of them, drew=

> > > 22 of them, and lost 26 of them. That would mean that he won 52% of
> > > his games with White, drew 22%, and lost 26%.
> > > Similarly, say he played 100 games as Black, and drew 46 of them, and
> > > lost 54 of them. You see where we go with this... :)
>
> > =A0 He who? The page the link takes me to doesn't say. I had thought the=

> > percentages referred to the results of a group of players against each
> > other. But if it refers to just one individual, then I was mistaken
> > and the stats are plausible.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I certainly read them as referring to one player, namely, Kramnik. If
> indeed the stats refer to a group of players, then they are
> impossible, of course :)- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -

The correct link is http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3D4101588

Now FIDE is adding the number of games played:

Kramnik, Vladimir

Color Percentage:
29 game(s) with White : Win: 52% Draw: 22% Loss: 26%
28 game(s) with Black : Win: 0% Draw: 46% Loss: 54%

Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
information after January 2007.


 
Date: 16 May 2008 08:24:34
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On May 16, 10:21=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On May 16, 10:34=A0am, zdrakec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 7:28=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > On May 15, 12:42=A0am, Chvsanchez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > A new feature of FIDE website:http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?eve=
nt=3D4101588:
>
> > > > Color Percentage:
>
> > > > White : Win: 52% =A0Draw: 22% =A0Loss: 26%
> > > > Black : Win: 0% =A0Draw: 46% =A0Loss: 54%
>
> > > > Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> > > > information after January 2007.
>
> > > > 0 wins with Black? Shocking!
>
> > > =A0 How can White have lost 26% of these games, yet Black has won 0%?
> > > And White has drawn 22%, but Black drew 46%?? Who was White playing
> > > against -- Beige? Pink? Chartreuse? With whom did Black draw --
> > > Magenta? Puce? Teal?
>
> > Oh, Taylor. Say he played 100 games as White, and won 52 of them, drew
> > 22 of them, and lost 26 of them. That would mean that he won 52% of
> > his games with White, drew 22%, and lost 26%.
> > Similarly, say he played 100 games as Black, and drew 46 of them, and
> > lost 54 of them. You see where we go with this... :)
>
> =A0 He who? The page the link takes me to doesn't say. I had thought the
> percentages referred to the results of a group of players against each
> other. But if it refers to just one individual, then I was mistaken
> and the stats are plausible.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I certainly read them as referring to one player, namely, Kramnik. If
indeed the stats refer to a group of players, then they are
impossible, of course :)


 
Date: 16 May 2008 08:21:53
From:
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On May 16, 10:34=A0am, zdrakec <[email protected] > wrote:
> On May 15, 7:28=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 12:42=A0am, Chvsanchez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > A new feature of FIDE website:http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=
=3D4101588:
>
> > > Color Percentage:
>
> > > White : Win: 52% =A0Draw: 22% =A0Loss: 26%
> > > Black : Win: 0% =A0Draw: 46% =A0Loss: 54%
>
> > > Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> > > information after January 2007.
>
> > > 0 wins with Black? Shocking!
>
> > =A0 How can White have lost 26% of these games, yet Black has won 0%?
> > And White has drawn 22%, but Black drew 46%?? Who was White playing
> > against -- Beige? Pink? Chartreuse? With whom did Black draw --
> > Magenta? Puce? Teal?
>
> Oh, Taylor. Say he played 100 games as White, and won 52 of them, drew
> 22 of them, and lost 26 of them. That would mean that he won 52% of
> his games with White, drew 22%, and lost 26%.
> Similarly, say he played 100 games as Black, and drew 46 of them, and
> lost 54 of them. You see where we go with this... :)

He who? The page the link takes me to doesn't say. I had thought the
percentages referred to the results of a group of players against each
other. But if it refers to just one individual, then I was mistaken
and the stats are plausible.


 
Date: 16 May 2008 07:34:39
From: zdrakec
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On May 15, 7:28=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On May 15, 12:42=A0am, Chvsanchez <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > A new feature of FIDE website:http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=
=3D4101588:
>
> > Color Percentage:
>
> > White : Win: 52% =A0Draw: 22% =A0Loss: 26%
> > Black : Win: 0% =A0Draw: 46% =A0Loss: 54%
>
> > Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> > information after January 2007.
>
> > 0 wins with Black? Shocking!
>
> =A0 How can White have lost 26% of these games, yet Black has won 0%?
> And White has drawn 22%, but Black drew 46%?? Who was White playing
> against -- Beige? Pink? Chartreuse? With whom did Black draw --
> Magenta? Puce? Teal?

Oh, Taylor. Say he played 100 games as White, and won 52 of them, drew
22 of them, and lost 26 of them. That would mean that he won 52% of
his games with White, drew 22%, and lost 26%.
Similarly, say he played 100 games as Black, and drew 46 of them, and
lost 54 of them. You see where we go with this... :)

Regards,
zdrakec


 
Date: 15 May 2008 17:28:41
From:
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On May 15, 12:42=A0am, Chvsanchez <[email protected] > wrote:
> A new feature of FIDE website:http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3D4=
101588:
>
> Color Percentage:
>
> White : Win: 52% =A0Draw: 22% =A0Loss: 26%
> Black : Win: 0% =A0Draw: 46% =A0Loss: 54%
>
> Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> information after January 2007.
>
> 0 wins with Black? Shocking!

How can White have lost 26% of these games, yet Black has won 0%?
And White has drawn 22%, but Black drew 46%?? Who was White playing
against -- Beige? Pink? Chartreuse? With whom did Black draw --
Magenta? Puce? Teal?


 
Date: 15 May 2008 20:05:00
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
On Wed, 14 May 2008 21:42:56 -0700 (PDT), Chvsanchez
<[email protected] > wrote:

>A new feature of FIDE website: http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4101588:
>
>Color Percentage:
>
>White : Win: 52% Draw: 22% Loss: 26%
>Black : Win: 0% Draw: 46% Loss: 54%
>
>Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
>information after January 2007.
>
>0 wins with Black? Shocking!

That's because Kramnik has been playing the Petroff rather than the
Svesnikov Sicilian lately. Most people don't know that Kramnik is
probably the best player of the Svesnikov Sicilian.

EZoto


 
Date: 15 May 2008 12:03:37
From: Cosmic Programmer
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%

"Chvsanchez" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...
>A new feature of FIDE website:
>http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4101588:
>
> Color Percentage:
>
> White : Win: 52% Draw: 22% Loss: 26%
> Black : Win: 0% Draw: 46% Loss: 54%
>
> Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> information after January 2007.
>
> 0 wins with Black? Shocking!

Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color information
AFTER JANUARY 2007.








  
Date: 17 May 2008 20:11:19
From: David Richerby
Subject: Re: Kramnik: 0%
Cosmic Programmer <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Chvsanchez" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> White : Win: 52% Draw: 22% Loss: 26%
>> Black : Win: 0% Draw: 46% Loss: 54%
>>
>> Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
>> information after January 2007.
>>
>> 0 wins with Black? Shocking!
>
> Statistics are valid for the tournaments submitted with color
> information AFTER JANUARY 2007.

I'm still slightly surprised that Kramnik hasn't won a single game
with black in the last fifteen months. And that he's only scored 23%
with the black pieces in that time.

Seems that Drawnik ought to be renamed Winwithwhitenik or
Losewithblacknik. ;-)


Dave.

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