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Date: 15 Nov 2007 13:44:23
From: Chess One
Subject: Praise what is good - Ken Sloan!
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Ken I assume this is you? - if so - what a wonderful chess anecdote - I'm publishing the whole letter this weekend. A Beautiful Mind. This letter has a strange provenance - beginning in Alabama, but forwarded to readers' attention from IGM Adorjan in Hungary. (Ezt t�k' v�letlen�l tal�ltam a neten, elk�ld�m, h�tha �rdekel. A Chess One-t kertestem, de egy m�sik lap j�tt helyette. sok puszi. Saci) --------- One Boy's Chess Story My son is now 11. Diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD), he has had real social and behavioral difficulties since he was 18 months old, when we were asked to remove him from our church-based day-care. Subsequently, he was thrown out of several day-care centers, a Montessori school, and yet another private school. Since he is also gifted, his first break came in the 2nd grade, when the school in which he was started offering not only individual classes for kids like him (ADHD is considered a handicap), but also specialized classes for gifted children. Although his measured IQ is close to 150, his grades have never been spectacular, in fact, they have always been an average mix of As, Bs, Cs and even an occasional D. Highly variable from quarter to quarter, mostly dependent on his level of interest in a subject. Behavioral problems continued, notwithstanding a lot of help from the school system, from us, from psychologists and psychiatrists and from medications (Ritalin and clonidine). I might add that he is an only child, and although both of us are working, we are deeply caring, committed, spiritual, and have learned a lot about ADHD. We are both professionals; in fact I am a psychologist, therefore better prepared than most to understand and to know from where to seek help. Things had become pretty bad at about age 9 and half. Nothing seemed to work: time�outs, structure, behavioral management systems, medications ...nothing. About 18 months ago, my son suddenly developed an interest in chess, priily because of a friend who just moved into town and who has been teaching all his boys how to play. All his boys are a tad younger than ours. Since our son has had many 'sudden' interests, only to be followed soon by a total lack of interest in the same area, we just allowed events to take their natural course, being supportive as always, and providing opportunities whenever appropriate. He stayed with it, learned some more-we got him some software, books, the usual. A major change came about a year ago when I inquired about the quality of electronic chess games. Mr. Sloan replied that there is no substitute for face-to-face experiences and invited us to the Sunday quads held at the university. As they say, the rest is history. A few months after starting to play publicly, our son came in second in the state scholastic chess championships and recently only lost to the number one-ranked player in his age group in the city championships. According to him, he lost concentration for a minute and should have won that game too. We will see :-) Anyway, today he is a straight A student and his behavioral problems are minimal (but not trivial). He is enthusiastic about the friendships he has made, spends time organizing himself (a difficult task for AHDH children), is quite respectful, and has learned to control his temper by taking himself out of the class and going to the library to play chess. His social skills (quite atrocious until recently) have improved significantly. His language skills have also improved noticeably. He does algebra in his head. The reward system for appropriate performance and behavior? Time on chess.net or the Internet Chess Club. Sorry: no control subjects, no double blind, no defined independent variables (actually there are two: chess and age). Nonetheless, I think that the great improvements we have seen are, to a large extent, due to chess. Best, Andrew -- AJR, Alabama, USA
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Date: 15 Nov 2007 19:48:51
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Praise what is good - Ken Sloan!
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Kelly, your daughter is so like my son! School work is so so - almost random results for him- but in tests, if you were on s, and had a 'little problem' this guy would be the one you wanted to be with - with any completely unknown context, he would be completely un-fazed by that. He is now an engineering student, who struggled through it, and will get his degree this year, probably :) I didn't tell all about this Aspergers person I spoke of before - first the phenomenological fact that his permanennt minder was amazed that I didn't need him at all! And secondly, in the mentioned game - Colonization, he absolutely understood how to play it [the game is based on the US 'colony'] - not going nutz on the fur trade [which exhausts itself] nor exporting lumber, but sugar cane! Better still if you can make Rum with it! Best not to do the conquest mode as a Spaniard, since that is the strongest option, but short-lived. The natives get you back, and conquest is all you can do! Best thing he said was to invest in technologies, but before you can do that, you need general literacy! To make this short - he completely amazed his own teacher by reciting the socio-economic dynamics of the colonies at considerable complexity of interaction, and then his principal since he knew more about it than she admitted she did herself. ROFL [remember, he is age 10] Good on Sid Meier for inventing this very innovative game, more a complex simulator really. We know so little about how we know things - this is all very good stuff, neh? Now, chess too is interesting, and we hardly know that either - nor what good it really does people, nor what it obviates, which is seldom measured, except when kids cannot control their aggressions and we count them only as prison statistics. Cordially, Phil
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Date: 15 Nov 2007 09:06:33
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Praise what is good - Ken Sloan!
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> My son is now 11. Diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder > (ADHD), he has had real social and behavioral difficulties since he was 18 > months old, when we were asked to remove him from our church-based > day-care. I am NOT a psychologist, so this isn't any type of opinion or advice, but I'm curious. Was Asperger's ever ruled out? Many who are diagnosed with ADHD actually have Asperger's, or "high-functioning autism." One could also argue that the system was the one that was handicapped, more than your son. -- Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy Ray's new "Project 5000" is here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/project-5000 This group will be restricted to 5,000 members. All new theory from the creator of the PIVOT! Don't rely on overexposed, mass-keted commercial seduction methods which have been rendered worthless through mainstream media exposure. It really is game over for community material. Beware of Milli Vanilli gurus who stole their ideas from others! http://moderncaveman.typepad.com The Official Ray Gordon Blog
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Date: 15 Nov 2007 15:08:26
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Praise what is good - Ken Sloan!
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <[email protected] > wrote in message news:[email protected]... >> My son is now 11. Diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder >> (ADHD), he has had real social and behavioral difficulties since he was >> 18 months old, when we were asked to remove him from our church-based >> day-care. > > I am NOT a psychologist, so this isn't any type of opinion or advice, but > I'm curious. > > Was Asperger's ever ruled out? Many who are diagnosed with ADHD actually > have Asperger's, or "high-functioning autism." Just inter alia, key differences between Asperger's and High functioning are It is believed that in Asperger's Disorder a.. onset is usually later b.. outcome is usually more positive c.. social and communication deficits are less severe d.. circumscribed interests are more prominent e.. verbal IQ is usually higher than performance IQ (in autism, the case is usually the reverse) f.. clumsiness is more frequently seen g.. family history is more frequently positive h.. neurological disorders are less common See http://www.aspergers.com/aspdiff.htm > One could also argue that the system was the one that was handicapped, > more than your son. O! Not my son. But you are to note that this instance is a contrast to normative Asperger vAk, that is to say, there is little Audio component, Chess being more VaK, that is, Visual & Kinesthetic [note also Ken's recommendation of playing people face-to-face, increases the K factor] I have worked with an Asperger child - he was age 10 and his thing was to work on a computer with a crash-simulator, redesigning front-of car to minimise results of impact. He also very much liked a computer game called Colonization, which is tolerably complex. The computer allowed him to go at his own speed, which was very fast indeed, and I rather thought his verbalisations were simply cries of frustration. A local school [I cannot be too specific with any of this, obviously] for children who cannot get into regular schools, since they have been violent, throwing chairs at teachers heads, etc, plus other kids who simply can't function in big groups &c &c, has a favorite game, chess! Garry Kasparov wrote in a NY paper earlier this year a rhetorical question - what do American youth do with their Aggression? he asked. Meaning of course, what culturally OK way is there for them to deal with it. This is not even a psychological question in the sense that it belongs to a much wider group of disciplines, indeed, a la Konrad Lorenz - who strongly contradicted Freud for wanting to exorcise aggressions, and instead said they are totally healthy and necessary functions in nature, IF they are exhibited in ritual form - for all animals! This is much the same as Kasparov's question - what cultural mean do we have to channel aggression? The story here is most interesting if viewed from this perspective, no? Phil Innes
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