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Date: 05 Nov 2008 03:56:47
From: Sanny
Subject: Rykba hangs when loosing.
I played 3-4 games against Rybka with the Hope Easy Level will beat
Rybka. But whenever the position is good for GetClub, I find Rybka
disconnects giving error.

I tried 3-4 games between Rybka & GetClub each time when GetClub is at
advantage Rybka gives error and stops.

If any player has downloaded version of Rybka Play a few games against
Easy Level and let me know who wins.

Rybka takes 5 sec / move while Easy Level takes 50-60 sec / move. And
both play equal game.

I find since GetClub takes 12 times more time it plays as good as
Rybka.

But unfortunately whenever GetClub has strong position Rybka gives
error.

So I played a game between Beginner & Jester.

Game Played between Jester and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30172&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{14} e7-e5{0}
2. d2-d4{8} e5-d4{0}
3. c2-c3{6} d4-c3{6}
4. Nb1-c3{8} Ng8-f6{12}
5. e4-e5{10} Qd8-e7{6}
6. Qd1-e2{10} Nf6-g8{8}
7. Nc3-d5{10} Qe7-d8{18}
8. Ng1-f3{10} Nb8-c6{12}
9. Bc1-g5{12} Bf8-e7{6}
10. Bg5-f6{22} g7-f6{8}
11. e5-f6{20} Ng8-f6{0}
12. Nd5-f6{10} Ke8-f8{0}
13. Nf6-d5{20} Nc6-b4{8}
14. Nd5-c3{12} d7-d5{10}
15. a2-a3{16} d5-d4{10}
16. a3-b4{14} d4-c3{6}
17. Ra1-d1{10} Bc8-d7{16}
18. b2-c3{14} Ra8-b8{56}
19. Qe2-d2{14} Be7-d6{6}
20. Qd2-h6{12} Kf8-g8{6}
21. Rd1-a1{10} Qd8-e7{36}
22. Bf1-e2{12} Bd7-b5{8}
23. Ra1-a2{12} Bb5-e2{14}
24. Ra2-e2{12} Qe7-d8{8}
25. Re2-e4{12} f7-f5{6}
26. Qh6-e6{10} Kg8-g7{8}
27. Qe6-f5{12} Rh8-f8{6}
28. Qf5-h5{12} Qd8-f6{6}
29. Ke1-g1{18} Qf6-c3{6}
30. b4-b5{12} Bd6-a3{30}
31. Nf3-g5{12} Rf8-c8{8}
32. Qh5-h7{14} Kg7-f6{0}
33. Qh7-h6{14} Kf6-f5{0}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30172&game=Chess

In this game GetClub was a pawn up. But later Jester gave a Pawn
Gambit.

GetClub thought it will be a pawn up so took the pawn. But after
taking pawn Jester found a Mate in 10.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 19:16:58
From: Alessandro J.
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On 7 Nov, 00:17, help bot <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:35=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Rybka stopped after just 6 moves when GetClub King was sitting under
> > the Bunkers of Queen and Pawns.
>
> > And there was no threath on GetClub at all. So no chances of any Mate.
>
> =A01. e4 =A0c6
>
> =A02. d4 =A0d5
>
> =A03. Nd2 =A0de
>
> =A04. Nxe4 =A0N/b-d7
>
> =A05. Qe2 =A0N/g-f6
>
> =A06. (apparent freeze)


ROFL !!!!


>
> > I use Online version which disconnects often and mostly when GetClub
> > has good position.
>
> =A0 Poetic justice! =A0 How many times have I had the
> GetClub program "malfunction" when I was on top,
> then I was told the game was annuled.
>
> > In one game GetClub was a pawn up.
>
> =A01. d4 =A0d5
>
> =A02. c4 =A0dc
>
> =A0 (Black thinks he's a pawn up)
>
> =A0 -- help bot

I nearly fell off the chair here !
This is beyond farce, funniest stuff I've read online in quite a
while !!! :OD
Sanny may not be the best programmer, but he sure has talent as a
comedian.



 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 15:28:23
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 1:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> > =A0 Hey-- I can't even name the language Sanny learned
> > as a child, let alone make those kinds of mistakes in
> > his native language. =A0I think he's doing very well with
> > English... but poorly with logic; and the more I read

> I know 6 languages.
>
> 1. English
> 2. Hindi
> 3. Bengali
> 4. Urdu
> 5. Sanskrit
> 6. Native Language
> 7. A few words of Chinese


Here in the USA people learn a vast number
of dialects of American English, plus foreign
languages such as British English and its
derrivitive, Australian English. Perhaps the
most popular "second language" here is
Spanish, and in fact Hispanics are the
fastest-growing segment of our population.

Odds are good that English will eventually
become the universal standard... and as
president Bush would say, either get on
board or be shoved aside as irrelevant peons
-- not that he's an incredibly obnoxious ass
or anything.

Factoid: there are more people in China who
can speak English than there are in the USA.


-- help bot







 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 15:17:01
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 1:35=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> Rybka stopped after just 6 moves when GetClub King was sitting under
> the Bunkers of Queen and Pawns.
>
> And there was no threath on GetClub at all. So no chances of any Mate.


1. e4 c6

2. d4 d5

3. Nd2 de

4. Nxe4 N/b-d7

5. Qe2 N/g-f6

6. (apparent freeze)



> I use Online version which disconnects often and mostly when GetClub
> has good position.


Poetic justice! How many times have I had the
GetClub program "malfunction" when I was on top,
then I was told the game was annuled.



> In one game GetClub was a pawn up.


1. d4 d5

2. c4 dc

(Black thinks he's a pawn up)


-- help bot




 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 07:54:13
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 7:58=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 9:53=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 7:50=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I know 6 languages.
>
> > > > 6. Native Language
>
> > > =A0 Your native language has no name??
>
> > It has a name that no one have heard.
>
> =A0 Not even the people who speak it??

Yes, Its called Marwari language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwari_language

It is just a spoken language. It can be written in Hindi.

Bye
Sanny






 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 06:58:17
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 9:53=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 7:50=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I know 6 languages.
>
> > > 6. Native Language
>
> > =A0 Your native language has no name??
>
> It has a name that no one have heard.

Not even the people who speak it??

> Only a few people understand
> that language.

Still, I would be interested to know its name. Would it by any
chance be Andean? ;-)



 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 06:53:45
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 7:50=A0pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know 6 languages.
>
> > 6. Native Language
>
> =A0 Your native language has no name??

It has a name that no one have heard. Only a few people understand
that language.

When I was child till age 5. I only knew the Native Language.

But since No school teaches this language. I have to learn other
languages.

Bye
Sanny


 
Date: 06 Nov 2008 06:50:28
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 6, 1:38=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I know 6 languages.
>
> 6. Native Language

Your native language has no name??


 
Date: 05 Nov 2008 22:38:00
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
> =A0 Hey-- I can't even name the language Sanny learned
> as a child, let alone make those kinds of mistakes in
> his native language. =A0I think he's doing very well with
> English... but poorly with logic; and the more I read

I know 6 languages.

1. English
2. Hindi
3. Bengali
4. Urdu
5. Sanskrit
6. Native Language
7. A few words of Chinese

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


  
Date: 06 Nov 2008 08:23:56
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
"Sanny" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...

>I know 6 languages.

Wonderful. Are you as bad in them as you are in programming, logic, chess
and web site design?




 
Date: 05 Nov 2008 22:35:57
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
> > I tried 3-4 games between Rybka & GetClub each time when GetClub is at
> > advantage Rybka gives error and stops.
>
> =A0 We've been over this before.
>
> =A0 There is a problem with certain interfaces and the Rybka
> engine, in which the program appears to "refuse to think"
> and fixes on a given reply. =A0For instance, if Rybka sees a

Rybka stopped after just 6 moves when GetClub King was sitting under
the Bunkers of Queen and Pawns.

And there was no threath on GetClub at all. So no chances of any Mate.

I use Online version which disconnects often and mostly when GetClub
has good position.

In one game GetClub was a pawn up.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


 
Date: 05 Nov 2008 20:12:57
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 5, 10:16=A0pm, "Bob Campbell" <[email protected] > wrote:

> "help bot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >We've been over this before.
> >This problem can easily be detected by examining the
> >position with another decent chess program
>
> Well there is your answer. =A0 GitClub is not "a decent chess program".
>
> BTW, it is "losing", not "loosing"! =A0 =A0I am continually amazed at the=
number
> of people who get this wrong.


Hey-- I can't even name the language Sanny learned
as a child, let alone make those kinds of mistakes in
his native language. I think he's doing very well with
English... but poorly with logic; and the more I read
here about chess programming, the more I become
convinced that it is not for amateurs like Sanny.

Witness the dimwit* who was schooled again and
again, yet contimued to delude himself into thinking
that he alone understood aspects which he alone
did not seem to grasp! (*Ray Gordon?)

Sanny is definitely not the right person to run any
head-to-head tests between Rybka and GetClub.
In attempting to allow his program to win once in
awhile, Sanny seems to cut Rybka off at various
different thinking times which are not stated
independently of operator time and can only be
guessed at. I would prefer more thinking time
for both sides, with Rybka giving material odds
and then demonstrating her vast superiority by
winning or drawing anyway.

In the free GUI "Arena", Rybka can appear to
freeze up when in fact she has selected a move
earlier; this move is displayed, but humans are
likely to assume that the frozen screen means
a blue screen of death style, Windows-typical
malfunction. Sanny, as always, interprets
every such "malfunction" as a forfeit-win for his
program. The reality is that it is hard to even
imagine a scenario wherein Rybka could lose
to GetClub, apart from odds games.


-- help bot






 
Date: 05 Nov 2008 17:16:13
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
On Nov 5, 6:56=A0am, Sanny <[email protected] > wrote:

> I played 3-4 games against Rybka with the Hope Easy Level will beat
> Rybka. But whenever the position is good for GetClub, I find Rybka
> disconnects giving error.
>
> I tried 3-4 games between Rybka & GetClub each time when GetClub is at
> advantage Rybka gives error and stops.


We've been over this before.

There is a problem with certain interfaces and the Rybka
engine, in which the program appears to "refuse to think"
and fixes on a given reply. For instance, if Rybka sees a
forced mate-in-eight she may refuse to "think" about the
position, and /gives the appearance/ of having locked up
without having decided on a move. In reality, she did
select a move, and from that point forward will behave in
the same manner, "refusing to think" about the position
at mate-in-seven, at mate-in-six, and so forth.

This problem can easily be detected by examining the
position with another decent chess program, which will
also find the forced mate. Another idea would be to go
into setup-a-position and change something, then
change it right back again; now restart the engine and
hopefully she will not find the mate right away, but show
a few lines of her iterative search before perhaps
appearing to lock up again. In some cases, it may not
be checkmate but soemthing else which brings on the
deep freeze.

This is very annoying but as with other primmadonna
world champions, you can't have true genius without
sacrificing somewhere else. (Well, actually, you can;
just buy a better interface or use a different version of
the engine.)

One more thing-- you said that each time GetClub
had the advantage, Rybka would freeze up. Just
exactly how much odds were you giving to the GC
program? Offhand, I would recommend QR odds,
but note that something must be done with Rybka's
contempt factor or she will unwittingly force draws
against her patzer opponent.


-- help bot



  
Date: 05 Nov 2008 22:16:23
From: Bob Campbell
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
"help bot" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...

>We've been over this before.

>This problem can easily be detected by examining the
>position with another decent chess program

Well there is your answer. GitClub is not "a decent chess program".

BTW, it is "losing", not "loosing"! I am continually amazed at the number
of people who get this wrong.



 
Date: 05 Nov 2008 09:14:01
From: Sanny
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.
Here is another game with Jester. I game 12 sec / move to Jester
instead of 3 and played against Easy Level.

So Both programs got 4 times more time So that they play stronger
game.

Game Played between Jester and easy at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30181&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (easy)

1. e2-e4{42} e7-e6{0}
2. d2-d4{8} d7-d5{0}
3. Nb1-d2{8} c7-c5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{8} Ng8-f6{126}
5. e4-d5{12} Qd8-d5{26}
6. Bf1-c4{20} Qd5-c6{52}
7. Ke1-g1{20} c5-d4{108}
8. Nf3-d4{20} Qc6-c5{50}
9. c2-c3{18} Bf8-d6{46}
10. Rf1-e1{20} Ke8-g8{40}
11. Bc4-d3{22} Bc8-d7{28}
12. Nd2-c4{26} Bd6-c7{104}
13. b2-b3{22} Qc5-d5{42}
14. Bc1-a3{20} Rf8-e8{42}
15. Bd3-e2{20} Nb8-c6{20}
16. Be2-f3{26} Qd5-g5{20}
17. Ba3-d6{18} Bc7-d6{86}
18. Nc4-d6{18} Re8-f8{78}
19. Nd6-b7{18} Nc6-e5{74}
20. Qd1-e2{20} Ne5-f3{26}
21. Qe2-f3{18} e6-e5{22}
22. Nd4-c2{18} e5-e4{92}
23. Qf3-e3{20} Qg5-d5{46}
24. Nb7-c5{26} Bd7-f5{30}
25. Ra1-d1{20} Qd5-e5{28}
26. Qe3-d4{22} Rf8-e8{120}
27. Nc2-e3{24} Qe5-d4{22}
28. Rd1-d4{20} Bf5-g6{40}
29. c3-c4{22} Ra8-c8{48}
30. Nc5-b7{20} Rc8-c7{40}
31. Nb7-d6{50} Re8-b8{32}
32. Ne3-d5{78} Nf6-d5{54}
33. Rd4-d5{20} Rc7-e7{40}
34. c4-c5{18} Kg8-h8{38}
35. f2-f4{20} f7-f6{26}
36. f4-f5{24} Bg6-h5{74}
37. Re1-e4{18} Re7-e4{22}
38. Nd6-e4{22} Bh5-e8{44}
39. Ne4-d6{42} Be8-c6{36}
40. Rd5-d4{18} Kh8-g8{36}
41. Kg1-f2{20} h7-h6{28}
42. Rd4-g4{20} Kg8-f8{28}
43. Kf2-e3{20} h6-h5{26}
44. Rg4-g6{22} a7-a5{74}
45. Ke3-d3{22} Rb8-b4{50}
46. g2-g3{24} h5-h4{48}
47. Kd3-c3{26} h4-g3{20}
48. h2-g3{22} Bc6-d5{22}
49. Nd6-c4{24} Bd5-c4{22}
50. b3-c4{20} Kf8-g8{40}
51. Kc3-d4{18} Rb4-b2{76}
52. c5-c6{18} Rb2-b6{42}
53. Kd4-d5{20} Rb6-b8{20}
54. c6-c7{18} Rb8-c8{116}
55. Kd5-c6{24} Rc8-f8{22}
56. Rg6-g4{20} Kg8-h7{114}
57. Rg4-h4{18} Kh7-g8{0}
58. Rh4-d4{20} g7-g5{50}
59. f5-g6{20} Kg8-g7{36}
60. Rd4-d8{20} Rf8-d8{24}
61. Qc7-d8{Q}{32} Kg7-g6{44}
62. Kc6-d5{24} a5-a4{38}
63. Qd8-g8{16} Kg6-h6{0}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jester: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM30181&game=Chess

In this game GetClub lost a pawn in middle game. I was thinking it
will save the pawn with Rook but it do not. And after a long fight
Jester got the Queen and win.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html



 
Date:
From: Martin Brown
Subject: Re: Rykba hangs when loosing.