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Date: 15 Jun 2008 18:34:24
From: Mats Winther
Subject: Seirawan chess and other variants
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Seirawan Chess now has a new web site:
http://www.seirawanchess.com
Seirawan chess, I think, has a big flaw in that the bishops tend to
disappear from the board too fast. The bishop fianchetto is seldom
effective because the opponent can move his bishop from the initial
position, and offer an exchange while simultaneously guarding the
bishop by inserting the Hawk. It is the same problem if you position a
bishop at, e.g., c4. Then black can develop his bishop to e6 and
simultaneously guarding it by placing a Hawk on c8. While bishops are
immensely important for the positional qualities of chess, it is not
good if they can be neutralized easily in the opening.
I haven't made a final judgement, but I remember that it irritated me
very much that it was so easy to exchange a bishop which is trying to
activate itself. But maybe it doesn't matter. The only thing that
matters if Seirawan chess becomes popular among amateurs. It certainly
works. But I think that e.g. Gustav III's chess is better, or to have
the Seirawan chess set implemented on a gustavian board, perhaps with
the new pieces in the extra corners and not in a mirrored position.
King Gustav III's chess is on the below link together with Mongolian
big chess, etc., and my own variants which are tested not to have any
big flaws.
http://hem.passagen.se/melki9/chessvar.htm
Mats
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 04:30:46
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Seirawan chess and other variants
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Why not add some railroads, utilities, and make each player pay a price for
passing e4?
Very telling is the remark on that paeg that a bigger board would wreak
havoc with pawn structures and the relative value of the pieces, yet at the
same time they justify wreaking havoc on opening theory by introducing two
new pieces!
Seems that "reformers" in chess just want to eliminate the most difficult
and CREATIVE (yes, creative) part of the game -- the opening -- while
leaving the rest of the game intact.
I still say all that needs to be done is to change the rules on pawn
promotion.
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 18:40:19
From: Rich Hutnik
Subject: Re: Seirawan chess and other variants
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On Jun 16, 4:30 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Why not add some railroads, utilities, and make each player pay a price for
> passing e4?
>
> Very telling is the remark on that paeg that a bigger board would wreak
> havoc with pawn structures and the relative value of the pieces, yet at the
> same time they justify wreaking havoc on opening theory by introducing two
> new pieces!
>
> Seems that "reformers" in chess just want to eliminate the most difficult
> and CREATIVE (yes, creative) part of the game -- the opening -- while
> leaving the rest of the game intact.
>
> I still say all that needs to be done is to change the rules on pawn
> promotion.
Where is creativity today as far as the opening goes? "Creativity" is
pushed dozens of moves out. Please answer how there is creativity in
the opening when you have dozens of books that spell out every single
line. Opening play is now stale. How can you argue otherwise?
- Rich
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Date: 17 Jun 2008 07:58:22
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Seirawan chess and other variants
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>> I still say all that needs to be done is to change the rules on pawn
>> promotion.
>
> Where is creativity today as far as the opening goes? "Creativity" is
> pushed dozens of moves out. Please answer how there is creativity in
> the opening when you have dozens of books that spell out every single
> line. Opening play is now stale. How can you argue otherwise?
Please publish your solution to the first twelve moves of the game, with
supporting proof.
Computers have shown that many openings once thought unsound or even
unplayable are anything but. Look at what they play and win with.
Computers play at a 3100 level now, and find wins in positions that even
today's GMs think are "dead equal."
The game isn't anywhere close to being solved.
--
Ray Gordon, The ORIGINAL Lifestyle Seduction Guru
Finding Your A-Game:
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
Includes 29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy (FREE!)
The book Neil Strauss and VH-1 STOLE The Pivot From
Click HERE: for the ORIGINAL pivot chapter:
http://www.cybersheet.com/pivot.pdf
Here's my Myspace Page: And Pickup Blog (FREE advice)
http://www.myspace.com/snodgrasspublishing
Don't rely on overexposed, mass-marketed commercial seduction methods which
no longer work. Learn the methods the gurus USE with the money they make
from what they teach.
Thinking of taking a seduction "workshiop?" Read THIS:
http://www.dirtyscottsdale.com/?p=1187
Beware! VH-1's "The Pickup Artst" was FRAUDULENT. Six of the eight
contestants were actors, and they used PAID TARGETS in the club. The paid
targets got mad when VH-1 said "there are no actors in this club" and ruined
their prromised acting credit. What else has Mystery lied about?
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Date: 16 Jun 2008 06:41:48
From: SBD
Subject: Re: Seirawan chess and other variants
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On Jun 16, 3:30 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
<[email protected] > wrote:
> Why not add some railroads, utilities, and make each player pay a price for
> passing e4?
>
> Very telling is the remark on that paeg that a bigger board would wreak
> havoc with pawn structures and the relative value of the pieces, yet at the
> same time they justify wreaking havoc on opening theory by introducing two
> new pieces!
>
> Seems that "reformers" in chess just want to eliminate the most difficult
> and CREATIVE (yes, creative) part of the game -- the opening -- while
> leaving the rest of the game intact.
>
> I still say all that needs to be done is to change the rules on pawn
> promotion.
You can say that, but your evidence for is weak. How many games have
you played with this variant? With strong players? Do you have
published opening analysis?
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