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Date: 11 Aug 2008 16:32:03
From: samsloan
Subject: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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Susan Polgar has filed suit for $25 million against the USCF on Friday
The caption is:
Susan Polgar against United State of America Chess Federation Inc.,
Bill Goichberg, Jim Berry, Randy Bauer, Randall Hough, Bill Hall,
Brian Mottershead, Hal Bogner, Chessmagnet LLC., Continental Chess
Inc., Jerome Hanken, Brian Lafferty, Sam Sloan, Karl S. Kronenberger
and Burgoyne Kronenberger, suit on other civil
I have read the complaint. It is mostly frivolous. I am surprised she
was able to fine an attorney to file it. The attorney is jim @
killianlaw.com who represents her.
The biggest problem with her $25 million suit is that it sounds in
defamation. However, there is a rule that in any suit for defamation
the EXACT WORDS must be alleged. She fails to do this. Instead, she
says that "negative comments" were made about her, without saying what
those negative comments were.
Her suit it so weak I think I will not even bother to file a motion to
dismiss. I can just let it fester. After one year the statute of
limitations will have expired on suits for defamation and it will be
too late for her to refile.
She has made a big mistake by suing Continental Chess Association and
the Kronenberger Law firm. Those corporations have obviously not made
and defamatory statements about her.
Also, neither I not any of the other defendants have done what we are
accused of doing, which is calling the Lubbock Police and Texas Tech
University with complaints about her. I do suspect that Marcus
Roberts, Ray Gordon and some others who are not defendants have made
such calls however.
Sam Sloan
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 15:26:59
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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Chess One wrote:
>
> Since we seem to be at some danger of achieving stale-mate with competing
> suits, [which may never actually be resolved in a court room, who know? but
> I imagine there will be pressure to settle the suits privately] does anyone
> know if USCF bye-laws allow for non board members, officers or staff, to be
> covered by USCF's insurance?
>
> Phil Innes
Yes. That's what happened in the Labate lawsuit in 1985. Whether it
happens here will depend on the specifics of the case. Also, the
laundry-list defendants won't have any say in how matters play out.
E.g., if the insurance company wants to settle and someone else wants
to fight it out, he'll have to hire his own lawyer.
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Date: 12 Aug 2008 22:07:17
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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On Aug 12, 7:12 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Brian Lafferty claims that the lawyer who filed the lawsuit is not
> licensed to practice in Texas.
>
> The lawsuit is so poorly pleaded that I suspect that it might be a
> fake lawsuit.
>
> One thing for sure: Polgar filed it as a tactical manuver. She wants
> to make a deal: She will drop her lawsuit if the USCF drops theirs.
> What she fails to realize is that the USCF CANNOT drop its litigation.
> Thus, she has gotten herself into a deeper hole than she already was.
>
> Sam Sloan
Has the complaint been posted online?
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Randy Bauer
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> I congratulate you on your excellent analysis of the lawsuit. I'm
> going to go home and buy a canary for the express purpose of having
> the lawsuit, placed at the bottom of the cage, catch the evidence of
> its daily excrement. They will both be the equivalent of bird-
> droppings.
>
> Randy Bauer
I'm stunned. Mr. Bauer is complimenting Sam Sloan. Unless he's being
ironic, but I don't see much irony here.
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 12:12:54
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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The Historian wrote:
> On Aug 12, 7:12 pm, samsloan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Brian Lafferty claims that the lawyer who filed the lawsuit is not
>> licensed to practice in Texas.
>>
>> The lawsuit is so poorly pleaded that I suspect that it might be a
>> fake lawsuit.
>>
>> One thing for sure: Polgar filed it as a tactical manuver. She wants
>> to make a deal: She will drop her lawsuit if the USCF drops theirs.
>> What she fails to realize is that the USCF CANNOT drop its litigation.
>> Thus, she has gotten herself into a deeper hole than she already was.
>>
>> Sam Sloan
>
> Has the complaint been posted online?
Interestingly, it hasn't. From what I understand of it (I haven't seen
it) is is a rather pathetic pleading considering that it was written by
an attorney, albeit a PI lawyer. Usually even they write half decent
pleadings. Note to Polgar and counsel--"negative comments" do not a
claim of defamation make. Sigh.
>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Randy Bauer
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Sam,
>>
>> I congratulate you on your excellent analysis of the lawsuit. I'm
>> going to go home and buy a canary for the express purpose of having
>> the lawsuit, placed at the bottom of the cage, catch the evidence of
>> its daily excrement. They will both be the equivalent of bird-
>> droppings.
>>
>> Randy Bauer
>
> I'm stunned. Mr. Bauer is complimenting Sam Sloan. Unless he's being
> ironic, but I don't see much irony here.
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 00:57:36
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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>I have read the complaint. It is mostly frivolous.
Look who has the audacity and the friggin nerve to call a lawsuit
frivolous. But then again who would know more about frivolous
lawsuits than the man who has mastered the art of frivolous lawsuits
and wasted taxpayers money on suing people in fantasy land.
EZoto
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 03:20:57
From: Ray Gordon, creator of the \pivot\
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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> and wasted taxpayers money
It costs $350.00 to file a lawsuit in federal court.
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Date: 14 Aug 2008 17:46:06
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
>> and wasted taxpayers money
>
> It costs $350.00 to file a lawsuit in federal court.
>
>
In your friggin world!!! Yeah!!! $350.00!!! That's all you can or want
to see!!!
EZoto
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Date: 16 Aug 2008 11:02:56
From: thumbody
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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EZoto wrote:
>
> Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
> >> and wasted taxpayers money
> >
> > It costs $350.00 to file a lawsuit in federal court.
> >
> >
> In your friggin world!!! Yeah!!! $350.00!!! That's all you can or want
> to see!!!
>
> EZoto
Heavens! - We're talking trillions here in Zimbabwe..
t.
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 10:23:10
From:
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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On 13-Aug-2008, "Ray Gordon, Court Jester" <[email protected] > wrote:
> > and wasted taxpayers money
>
> It costs $350.00 to file a lawsuit in federal court.
Which is about what it would cost to get a decent attorney to read it. I
doubt if that completely covers the costs of the clerk setting it up and
putting it in PACER. Nice try Gordon, but you alone have wasted hundreds of
thousands of taxpayer money with your frivolous lawsuits. You have a worms
eye view of $350, like it was some huge amount. Dinner and drinks plus a
good show costs more than that. Grow up and live in the real world.
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Date: 12 Aug 2008 17:12:47
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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Brian Lafferty claims that the lawyer who filed the lawsuit is not
licensed to practice in Texas.
The lawsuit is so poorly pleaded that I suspect that it might be a
fake lawsuit.
One thing for sure: Polgar filed it as a tactical manuver. She wants
to make a deal: She will drop her lawsuit if the USCF drops theirs.
What she fails to realize is that the USCF CANNOT drop its litigation.
Thus, she has gotten herself into a deeper hole than she already was.
Sam Sloan
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Randy Bauer
<[email protected] > wrote:
Sam,
I congratulate you on your excellent analysis of the lawsuit. I'm
going to go home and buy a canary for the express purpose of having
the lawsuit, placed at the bottom of the cage, catch the evidence of
its daily excrement. They will both be the equivalent of bird-
droppings.
Randy Bauer
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 00:32:40
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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samsloan wrote:
> Brian Lafferty claims that the lawyer who filed the lawsuit is not
> licensed to practice in Texas.
That is not accurate. On his firm's web site, Killian does not list
Texas as one of the jurisdictions he is admitted to practice in. One of
the other attorneys in his office is admitted to practice in Texas. I
have not seen the complaint. If, again, if, Killian is not admitted to
practice in Texas and is the only attorney representing Polgar in Texas,
then there could, repeat, could, be a problem.
>
> The lawsuit is so poorly pleaded that I suspect that it might be a
> fake lawsuit.
>
> One thing for sure: Polgar filed it as a tactical manuver. She wants
> to make a deal: She will drop her lawsuit if the USCF drops theirs.
> What she fails to realize is that the USCF CANNOT drop its litigation.
> Thus, she has gotten herself into a deeper hole than she already was.
>
> Sam Sloan
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Randy Bauer
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Sam,
>
> I congratulate you on your excellent analysis of the lawsuit. I'm
> going to go home and buy a canary for the express purpose of having
> the lawsuit, placed at the bottom of the cage, catch the evidence of
> its daily excrement. They will both be the equivalent of bird-
> droppings.
>
> Randy Bauer
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Date: 12 Aug 2008 14:53:15
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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On Aug 12, 8:27=A0am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote:
> "The chess champion has accused a national chess corporation and some
> of its associates of conspiring to destroy her career and, possibly,
> the Texas Tech chess institute that bears her name....Polgar claims
> certain federation members have used the Internet and media outlets,
> including The Avalanche-Journal, to defame and slander her because
> they are jealous of her success.
>
> '"Despite all her successes
I certainly hope that by all this talk of
success, Ms. Polgar has not /deluded
herself/ into thinking all those lies that
appear on her Web site are true. Many
of the accomplishments, honors, etc.
seem to have been "borrowed" from
other women, even including her own
sister, Judit Polgar-- the real superstar
of women's chess.
While apologists may attempt to re-
characterize such lies as mere hyperbole,
the fact remains that many famous chess
players (along with famous actors and
actresses, politicians, etc.) seem to lose
all touch with reality, eventually suc-
cumbing to a combination of pride and
vanity.
For instance, look at what happened to
Mr. Fischer. At one point, he began to
see -- or at least /think/ he saw -- his
own chess moves in the games of
others, calling them fixed or prearranged
games. Were it not for the happenstance
of giant computer databases, he may
well have never been brought back to the
brink of reality on such matters, and in
fact, his worshipers continue living in the
realm of his self-delusion on such
matters even today.
Personally, I see all this hoopla from
the SP/PT camp as diversionary tactics.
The SP Web site itself reveals what sort
of people they are, and yet Mr. Sloan's
obsession with SP seems to require a
highly-trained psycho-analyst to explain
what are his (painfully obvious) deeper
issues.
One thing I happened to stumble upon
a good while back was that often times
it is those who complain the loudest
about something, who are themselves
the worst offenders in that area. For
instance, employees who loudly whine
that others are talking when they ought
to be working, may well turn out to be
the worst talker/non-worker in the group!
So, when SP whines about being the
target of defamation and slander, one
wonders if it might be on account of the
dynamic duo themselves being the
now-famous Fake Sam Sloan. (The
irony is that the FSS defamed or
slandered or impersonated a man who,
to my mind, had no need of any further
defamation, for he had already done
that job handily, himself.)
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 10:19:47
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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"help bot" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Aug 12, 8:27 am, The Historian <[email protected] > wrote:
> "The chess champion has accused a national chess corporation and some
> of its associates of conspiring to destroy her career and, possibly,
> the Texas Tech chess institute that bears her name....Polgar claims
> certain federation members have used the Internet and media outlets,
> including The Avalanche-Journal, to defame and slander her because
> they are jealous of her success.
>
> '"Despite all her successes
I certainly hope that by all this talk of
success, Ms. Polgar has not /deluded
herself/ into thinking all those lies that
appear on her Web site are true. Many
of the accomplishments, honors, etc.
seem to have been "borrowed" from
other women, even including her own
sister, Judit Polgar-- the real superstar
of women's chess.
**So far, so vague. I wonder if the current writer actually knows their
individual encounter game record? Of course, this would be a fact, as we
call it, or in this instance, an inconvenient truth?
**Leaving aside the general nature of those who pioneer, and 'performances'
of those who come after, is to leave aside why Lewis and Clark were
important to the USA. Sure, subsequently you and I can get there faster by
train...by plane, but that is of not the slightest import to the achievement
of L&C, since literally, people before that had nowhere to go. [Yes, I know
that a Brit out of Canada made the trip first, and L and Jefferson
immediately bought copies of his work and set about planning].
**Specifically, there had been strong chess players before - but none had
broken the technical glass ceiling of progressing into the main event, the
previously named 'Mens' World Championship. Of course you can value such an
anecdote as much as you wish, though it would be a brave man to argue its
value with a woman!
While apologists may attempt to re-
characterize such lies as mere hyperbole,
**But to continue to complain about 'such lies' when in fact, no knowledge
or factual matter is displayed /at all.../ is to strain far too much.
Perhaps apologists for facts, rather than apologists for Polgar, will
object? In this case I presume all woman would err on the side of factual
apology, eg.
the fact remains that many famous chess
players (along with famous actors and
actresses, politicians, etc.) seem to lose
all touch with reality, eventually suc-
cumbing to a combination of pride and
vanity.
For instance, look at what happened to
Mr. Fischer.
**Ah! I suppose this mention could not be far behind, since having
established a principal based on ...? Might as well 'overtake' Fischer too!
That's the fun of having heroes, no? You can try to knock them down to your
size. The trick is to stick with the personality, not the cultural
impressario - that is to say, not intellectually, but emotionally -
otherwise you start off by objective mention of the person, as gauged
against any person, then you creep up on the artist... [talking of
psychology, this is not such an uncommon thing, not now, not ever - in fact
Orwell mentioned it in defiance to Tolstoi's criticisms of Shakespeare.]
At one point, he began to
see -- or at least /think/ he saw -- his
own chess moves in the games of
others, calling them fixed or prearranged
games. Were it not for the happenstance
of giant computer databases, he may
well have never been brought back to the
brink of reality on such matters, and in
fact, his worshipers continue living in the
realm of his self-delusion on such
matters even today.
**Those worshippers presumably include Adorjan, Kasparov, Larsen, Timman -
all of whom were motivated not just by re-invigorated opening systems [like
the Grunfeld! pre-Fischer not much, apres-Fischer = Kasparov!] but also by
the attempt to win games from both sides of the board, and probably the most
remarkable batch of over-the-board creative players in the history of the
game.
Personally, I see all this hoopla from
the SP/PT camp as diversionary tactics.
**Having 'dealt with' Fischer in a few words, we now return to not naming
our nouns? "All this hoopla?" Really?
The SP Web site itself reveals what sort
of people they are, and yet Mr. Sloan's
obsession with SP seems to require a
highly-trained psycho-analyst to explain
what are his (painfully obvious) deeper
issues.
**In other words, Mr. Sloan's obsession do /not/ require anyone to have a
greay beard and come from Vienna.
One thing I happened to stumble upon
a good while back was that often times
it is those who complain the loudest
about something,
**What if they complain loudest about nothing specific?
who are themselves
the worst offenders in that area.
**Still apply?
For
instance, employees who loudly whine
that others are talking when they ought
to be working, may well turn out to be
the worst talker/non-worker in the group!
So, when SP whines about being the
target of defamation and slander, one
wonders if it might be on account of the
dynamic duo themselves being the
now-famous Fake Sam Sloan.
**With such generously unillustrated 'points' one might indeed wonder. But
methinks that is all any such 'one' is actually capable of ;)
(The
irony is that the FSS defamed or
slandered or impersonated a man who,
to my mind, had no need of any further
defamation, for he had already done
that job handily, himself.)
**While satirization is a form of imitation, ["sending-up", as we say in
England] it only works if the reader is conscious that the writing is 'over
the top' and not 1:1 imitation. This may still defame [and libel, not
slander] the subject.
**But taking Greg Kennedy at his own word here - why indeed /would/ anyone
need to mock someone this way when, as he says in his own words, they, "had
no need."
**As I understand the relative histories of Messers Sloan and Truong, and GM
Polgar, the obsession was not reciprocated.
**Phil Innes
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Date: 13 Aug 2008 13:02:57
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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Following my reporting of the recent Polgar suit last Saturday - some
readers at Chessville have asked who will cover legal costs for such a
diverse group of people as those named in it. Chubb represents USCF
corporately.
Was this subject of who-pays-what a matter for discussion at the recent
Delegates meeting in Dallas, or has there already been discussion of it at
USCF's forum [in other words, is the defence of the suit even public
information yet?]
[Sorry to ask more about the delegates meeting - all I know about the topics
are all the things which were rejected by delegates, which various people
have written here.]
Since we seem to be at some danger of achieving stale-mate with competing
suits, [which may never actually be resolved in a court room, who know? but
I imagine there will be pressure to settle the suits privately] does anyone
know if USCF bye-laws allow for non board members, officers or staff, to be
covered by USCF's insurance?
Phil Innes
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Date: 12 Aug 2008 05:27:14
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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On Aug 11, 6:32 pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Susan Polgar has filed suit for $25 million against the USCF on Friday
>
> The caption is:
>
> Susan Polgar against United State of America Chess Federation Inc.,
> Bill Goichberg, Jim Berry, Randy Bauer, Randall Hough, Bill Hall,
> Brian Mottershead, Hal Bogner, Chessmagnet LLC., Continental Chess
> Inc., Jerome Hanken, Brian Lafferty, Sam Sloan, Karl S. Kronenberger
> and Burgoyne Kronenberger, suit on other civil
>
> I have read the complaint. It is mostly frivolous. I am surprised she
> was able to fine an attorney to file it. The attorney is jim @
> killianlaw.com who represents her.
>
> The biggest problem with her $25 million suit is that it sounds in
> defamation. However, there is a rule that in any suit for defamation
> the EXACT WORDS must be alleged. She fails to do this. Instead, she
> says that "negative comments" were made about her, without saying what
> those negative comments were.
>
> Her suit it so weak I think I will not even bother to file a motion to
> dismiss. I can just let it fester. After one year the statute of
> limitations will have expired on suits for defamation and it will be
> too late for her to refile.
>
> She has made a big mistake by suing Continental Chess Association and
> the Kronenberger Law firm. Those corporations have obviously not made
> and defamatory statements about her.
>
> Also, neither I not any of the other defendants have done what we are
> accused of doing, which is calling the Lubbock Police and Texas Tech
> University with complaints about her. I do suspect that Marcus
> Roberts, Ray Gordon and some others who are not defendants have made
> such calls however.
>
> Sam Sloan
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/081208/loc_317614594.shtml
"The chess champion has accused a national chess corporation and some
of its associates of conspiring to destroy her career and, possibly,
the Texas Tech chess institute that bears her name....Polgar claims
certain federation members have used the Internet and media outlets,
including The Avalanche-Journal, to defame and slander her because
they are jealous of her success.
'"Despite all her successes, there are others who strive for nothing
more than to ruin Polgar's career and business relationships and to
see her fail," the suit reads.
'"Because she is a woman and of foreign descent (the USCF) has long
harbored ill will and jealously toward Polgar and more recently, the
SPICE program."
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Date: 11 Aug 2008 19:33:15
From: help bot
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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On Aug 11, 7:32=A0pm, samsloan <[email protected] > wrote:
> Susan Polgar has filed suit for $25 million against the USCF on Friday
>
> The caption is:
>
> Susan Polgar against United State of America Chess Federation Inc.,
> Bill Goichberg, Jim Berry, Randy Bauer, Randall Hough, Bill Hall,
> Brian Mottershead, Hal Bogner, Chessmagnet LLC., Continental Chess
> Inc., Jerome Hanken, Brian Lafferty, Sam Sloan, Karl S. Kronenberger
> and Burgoyne Kronenberger, suit on other civil
>
> I have read the complaint. It is mostly frivolous. I am surprised she
> was able to fine an attorney to file it. The attorney is jim @
> killianlaw.com who represents her.
>
> The biggest problem with her $25 million suit is that it sounds in
> defamation. However, there is a rule that in any suit for defamation
> the EXACT WORDS must be alleged. She fails to do this. Instead, she
> says that "negative comments" were made about her, without saying what
> those negative comments were.
>
> Her suit it so weak I think I will not even bother to file a motion to
> dismiss. I can just let it fester. After one year the statute of
> limitations will have expired on suits for defamation and it will be
> too late for her to refile.
>
> She has made a big mistake by suing Continental Chess Association and
> the Kronenberger Law firm. Those corporations have obviously not made
> and defamatory statements about her.
>
> Also, neither I not any of the other defendants have done what we are
> accused of doing, which is calling the Lubbock Police and Texas Tech
> University with complaints about her. =A0I do suspect that Marcus
> Roberts, Ray Gordon and some others who are not defendants have made
> such calls however.
It's lucky for us that a prominent lawyer like
Mr. Sloan can explain the ramifications of all
this, and lucky too that he is able to know
offhand what each and every one of the
named defendants has or has not done (even
monitoring their telephone calls through his
contacts inside the FBI, the CIA, etc.).
One thing puzzles me, however; if the USCF
is being sued, why include the name Sam
Sloan? Even back when he was a member
of the board, we know that SS was quite
unable to accomplish anything, and that this
is corroborated by the fact that SP *and* PT
were likewise unable to overcome the near-
absolute power of the sinister BG.
It would therefore seem to be more logical
to just sue individuals for their respective
actions, or to sue the USCF, naming only its
current ruler, BG, and perhaps his several
toad-eaters as well. This ill-logic smacks of
retaliation or intimidation tactics, such as I
often used when defeating the likes of the
Boris Diplomat computer, or even the Atari
2600 chess cartridge... .
-- help bot
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Date: 11 Aug 2008 17:24:49
From: samsloan
Subject: Re: Susan Polgar sues USCF and Sam Sloan et al last Friday
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http://lubbockonline.com/stories/080908/cri_316251103.shtml
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