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Date: 07 Dec 2007 19:52:12
From: M Winther
Subject: What about my games? Any good?
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[Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1996.??.??"]
[White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
[Black "Winther,Mats"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7
7.d3 Nf6 8.h3 O-O 9.Nbd2 d6 10.Re1 Nh5 11.Nf1 Qf6 12.Ne3 Nf4
13.Nd5 Nxd5 14.exd5 Nb8 15.Bg5 Qg6 16.Be7 b5 17.Bxf8 Bxh3
18.Nh4 Qg3 19.Qf3 Qxh4 20.Bc2 Bg4 21.Be7 f6 22.Re4 h5
23.g3 Qg5 24.Qg2 Nd7 25.d4 Re8 26.f4 Qh6 27.fxe5 Nxe5
28.Ree1 Rxe7 29.Kf1 h4 30.dxe5 hxg3
0-1
[Event "?"]
[Site "Stockholm"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Winther, M."]
[Black "Lindfeldt, Jan Magnus"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nf6 3.e5 Nd5 4.d4 e6 5.Nf3 cxd4 6.cxd4 Nc6
7.a3 d6 8.Bd3 Qa5+ 9.Bd2 Qb6 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.Bxc3 dxe5
12.dxe5 Bd7 13.Rc1 Ne7 14.O-O Nd5 15.Ng5 Bc6 16.Qh5 g6
17.Qf3 Qc7 18.Ba5 Qd7 19.Rfd1 Bg7 20.Bb5 O-O 21.Bxc6 bxc6
22.Bc3 Qe7 23.Ne4 Nxc3 24.Nf6+ Kh8 25.Rxc3 Rfd8 26.Rdc1 Rd2
27.Rxc6 Rad8 28.R6c3 Rxb2 29.g3 Bh6 30.Rc7 Qf8 31.R1c6 Bg7
32.Ne4 Bxe5 33.Rxf7 Qe8 34.Rcc7 Bxc7 35.Qf6+
1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Allsv div II 23/10-94"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Vallius,Mirko"]
[Black "Winther,Mats"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Bc4 Nb6 5.Bb3 Nc6 6.e6 fxe6
7.Nf3 Na5 8.Ng5 Nxb3 9.axb3 Nd5 10.Qe2 c6 11.Nxe6 Bxe6
12.Qxe6 Qd7 13.Qxd7+ Kxd7 14.Bd2 e6 15.c4 Nf6 16.O-O Be7
17.Re1 a6 18.Bc3 Rae8 19.Nd2 Rhf8 20.Nf3 Nh5 21.Rad1 Nf4
22.Re3 g5 23.c5 Nd5 24.Re2 g4 25.cxd6 gxf3 26.dxe7 Rxe7
27.gxf3 Rxf3 28.Kg2 Ref7 29.Rde1 Nxc3 30.bxc3 Rxc3
31.Re3 Rc2 32.R1e2 Rxe2 33.Rxe2 Kd6 34.Re5 Rf5 35.Re4 Kd5
36.Rh4 Rf7 37.f3 b5 38.Kf2 a5 39.Ke3 a4 40.bxa4 bxa4
41.Rh5+ Kc4 42.Rc5+ Kb3 43.Rxc6 Rb7 44.Rxe6 a3 45.Ke4 a2
46.Ra6 Rb4 47.Rxa2 Kxa2 48.Ke5 Kb3 49.f4 Kc4 50.f5 Rb5+
51.Ke6 Kxd4 52.f6 Ke4 53.h4 h5 54.Kf7 Kf5 55.Kg7 Kg4
56.f7 Rf5 57.f8N Rxf8 58.Kxf8 Kxh4
0-1
[Event "?"]
[Site "Vikingatraffen-92"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[White "Bergstrom,Peter"]
[Black "Winther,Mats"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 d6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bc4 Nf6
7.Nc3 Be7 8.O-O O-O 9.Bf4 Nd7 10.Qd2 Ne5 11.Bb3 Ng6 12.Be3 Bf6
13.Bd4 Bxd4 14.Qxd4 Qg5 15.Ne2 Bh3 16.Ng3 Nf4 17.Qe3 Bxg2
18.Rfe1 Qg4 19.c3 Bf3 20.Bd1 Nh3+ 21.Kf1 Ng5 22.Bxf3 Nxf3
23.Red1 f5 24.Nxf5 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Rae8 26.Ng3 Rf3 27.Qxa7 Rxg3
28.fxg3 Rxe4+ 29.Kd2 Re2+ 30.Kd3 Qe4#
0-1
[Event "?"]
[Site "Stockholm op ;EXT 94op"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Winther,M"]
[Black "Norqvist,J"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 f5 5.d4 exd4 6.e5 Bc5
7.O-O Nge7 8.Bb3 d5 9.exd6ep Qxd6 10.Re1 h6 11.Nbd2 b5 12.a4 Bb7
13.axb5 axb5 14.Rxa8+ Bxa8 15.Qe2 d3 16.cxd3 Nd4 17.Nxd4 Bxd4
18.Nf3 Bf6 19.d4 Bd5 20.Bf4 Qd7 21.Ne5 Bxe5 22.Bxd5 Qxd5
23.Bxe5 O-O 24.Bxg7 Kxg7 25.Qxe7+ Rf7 26.Qh4 Qd6 27.h3 Kh7
28.Re5 c6 29.Qh5 Qf6 30.f4 Kg7 31.Qe2 Qd6 32.Qe3 Rd7 33.d5 cxd5
34.Re6 Qf8 35.Qg3+ Kh8 36.Qg6 Rg7 37.Qxh6+ Kg8 38.Qh5 Rf7
39.Rh6 Qc5+ 40.Kh2 Qd4 41.Qg5+ Kf8 42.Qd8+ Kg7 43.Qh8#
1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Sthlm op 12/8-94"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Winther,Mats"]
[Black "Gunnas,tin"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.e4 d6 4.d4 Bg7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.d5 a5
8.Nd2 Nfd7 9.Nf1 f5 10.exf5 gxf5 11.Ng3 Nf6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 Qe8
14.Nh5 Nxh5 15.Bxh5 Qd7 16.O-O Na6 17.f4 e4 18.Qd2 Nc5
19.Nb5 Bh8 20.Rae1 Kh7 21.Re3 Rg8 22.Rh3 Qg7 23.Bg5 Qxb2
24.Qxb2 Bxb2 25.Bf7 Rf8 26.Rxh6+ Kg7 27.Bh5 Bd7 28.Nxc7 Bd4+
29.Kh1 e3 30.Nxa8 Rxa8 31.Rg6+ Kh7 32.Rxd6 Be8 33.Bf3 Nd3
34.h3 b5 35.Rh6+ Kg7 36.cxb5 Bxb5 37.Rb1 Nf2+ 38.Kh2 e2
39.Re6 Ne4 40.Bxe4 fxe4 41.Rxe4 Re8 42.Rxe8 Bxe8 43.Bh4
1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Taby op-88 Ant Damgamb"]
[Date "1988.??.??"]
[White "Bodin,Stefan"]
[Black "Winther,Mats"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bg4 5.Bxc4 e6 6.Nc3 a6 7.O-O Nc6
8.Be2 Bd6 9.Bd2 O-O 10.Rc1 e5 11.dxe5 Nxe5 12.Nxe5 Bxe5 13.h3 Bxe2
14.Qxe2 Re8 15.b3 Qe7 16.Rc2 Rad8 17.Bc1 c6 18.Bb2 Bb8 19.Nb1 Ne4
20.Nd2 Qd6 21.Nf3 Ng5 22.g3 Nxh3+ 23.Kg2 Nf4+ 24.gxf4 Qg6+
25.Ng5 Bxf4 26.Rg1 Bxg5 27.Kf1 Qf5 28.Rg3 Rxe3 29.Rxe3 Bxe3
30.Rc4 Rd1+ 31.Kg2 Qd5+ 32.Kg3 Rg1+
0-1
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 02:18:26
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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What about the games by other participants of
this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
and specific comments?)
On Dec 7, 10:52 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> [Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
> [White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
> [Black "Winther,Mats"]
> [Result "0-1"]
>
> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d3
I am not a strong player, and I am not
using any program of chess computer.
Here is my impression:
After 7.d4 white would have significant
positional advantage. For this reason
I think that black went wrong somewhere
earlier.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 13:31:16
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: About the Bird (was: Phil's dance game)
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On Dec 14, 12:31 am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:56:06 -0800 (PST), "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
>
> (Wlod)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Very thematic! But I have overlooked it anyway.
> >Thank you, Taylor.
>
> >After 3.e5xd6 black gets a persistent tactical
> >pressure, which in effect amounts to a strategical
> >consideration. Thus I am doubtful already about 3.exd.
> >White should simply develop: 3.Nf3, and it's just
> >a game. 1.f4 is not such a hot move. However,
> >1.f4 e5 2.d4 is interesting.
>
> >Regards,
>
> > Wlod
>
> 1.f4 is all I play as white, other than sheer shock value, it does
> help set up a decent kingside attack. Froms Gambit certainly does
> hand the initiative over to black but if you can get through the
> tactical minefield that follows in the next 10 or so moves, you are up
> a pawn and have two center pawns while black has 0 center pawns.
> Strategically this has got to be good (in the long run). Up to move
> 18 Fritz gave the advantage to white in this game. It was my three
> horrible blunders in a row that lost the game, not the opening :)
I've had good success against the Bird over the years, winning three
of the four times I've faced it in serious USCF-rated play, though
admittedly not against very strong opposition. Here are the four
games:
J. Uberti - T. Kingston, USCF correspondence, ch-October 1982: 1.f4
d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Be2 Bxf3 5.Bxf3 Nbd7 6.Nc3 c6 7.d3?!
Better 7.d4. Once Black gets e7-e5 in, he's at least equal.
7...e5 8.Qd2 Bd6 9.b3 Qc7 10.Qf2 0-0-0 11.0-0 Kb8 12.a4?
Simply dropping the f-pawn. Better 12.Be2.
12...exf4 13.exf4 Bxf4 14.Bxf4 Qxf4 15.Rfe1 Ne5 16.Qe3??
Loses at least a piece.
16...Nxf3+ 17.gxf3
If 17.Qxf3 Qd4+ 18.Kh1 Qxc3
17...Qxe3+ 18.Rxe3 d4 19.Re5 dxc3 20.Re7 Rhf8 21.Rae1 Rde8 22.Rxe8+
Rxe8 23.Rxe8+ Nxe8 24.Kg2 Nf6 0-1
M. Anders (1713) - TK (1827), Cincinnati 1994: 1.f4 d5 2.b3?!
Average players often play the Bird this way, but this is premature.
Better 2.e3 first. Now Black is able to get in an advance that blocks
the white QB's diagonal and makes his queenside development awkward.
2...d4! 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bb2 c5 5.Na3 g6 6.e3 dxe3 7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.Bxd7+ Nbxd7
9.dxe3 Bg7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.0-0-0
Rather too optimistic, I thought. Black can open the queenside more
easily than White can the kingside.
11...Qc7 12.Nb5 Qa5 13.a4 a6 14.Bc3 Qb6 15.Na3 Qc6 16.Nc4 Ne4 17.Bxg7
Kxg7 18.Nfe5 Nxe5 19.Nxe5 Qe6 20.Qf3 Nd6
A good alternative was 20...Nc3 21.Rd3 Na2+ 22.Kb1 Nb4.
21.g4?! - Better some prophylaxis with 21.Qd5. -- 21...f6 22.Nd3 c4
23.Nc5 Qc8 24.b4?
Again 24.Qd5 was better.
24...b6 25.Ne4 Qc6! -- Forking the a-pawn and the pinned Ne4. Black is
winning now. -- 26.Rd4 Rad8 The immediate 26...Qxa4 was perhaps
better. 27.Rhd1 Qxa4 28.Nxd6 c3! 29.Nc4??
Overlooking my obvious threat, but after 29.Kb1 Rxd6 30.R1d3 Rxd4
31.exd4 Qxb4+ 32.Kc1 Qb2+ 33.Kd1 Qb1+ 34.Ke2 Qxc2+ 35.Ke3 Qc1+ 36.Kf2
c2 Black still wins.
29...Qa1 mate.
D. Miller (1586) - T. Kingston (1762), USATE, Parsippany NJ 2/17/2001:
1.f4 d5 2.b3 d4 - Here we go again. 3.Nf3 c5 4.e3? dxe3 5.d3
White seems to think this will get him out of trouble, but he
overlooked the effect of my next move.
5...Qa5+ 6.c3 g6
To add pressure on the h8-a1 diagonal to that from the queen on the a5-
e1 diagonal.
7.Bxe3 Bg7 8.d4 Nh6 9.dxc5 Nf5
I liked this better than 9...Bxc3+ 10.Nxc3 Qxc3+ 11.Bd2 Qxc5,
preferring initiative to material.
10.b4?! Better 10.Qd2 or 10.Bf2. 10...Nxe3 11.Qd3 Nxg2+ 12.Bxg2 Qc7
13.0-0 0-0
13...Qxf4 was also good. Now White makes a series of inferior moves,
resulting in a lost position.
14.Ng5? a5! 15.Qc4? axb4 16.Qxb4 Na6 17.Qc4 Qxc5+ 18.Qxc5 Nxc5
Now it's just the proverbial matter of technique.
19.a3 Bf5 20.Ra2 h6 21.Nh3 Rfd8 22.Nf2 Rd7 23.Re1 Ra4 24.Nh3 Ne4
25.Bxe4 Bxe4 26.c4 Bf5 27.Kg2 Rxc4 28.Rae2 Rc2 29.Kg3?? Rxe2 30.Rxe2
Bxb1 0-1
Then again, I haven't always won against the Bird. The following is
one of my poorer games, played in an asleep-at-the-wheel manner. Yet I
might have won brilliantly at one point:
D. Mello (1689)-TK (1789), Green Mountain Open, 11/07/1998: 1.f4 d5
2.b3 c5
The first sign that I'm not awake. Why didn't I play 2...d4, like I have
before? I blame the lousy coffee at the Stratton Mountain Inn.
3.e3 Nf6 4.Nf3 g6 5.Bb2 Bg7 6.Be2 0-0 7.0-0 d4?
The right idea at the wrong time. I completely overlooked that the
square is attacked three times but only defended twice.
8.exd4 Nh5?
Trying to recoup by trickery, but White is wise to me.
9.Ne5! cxd4 10.Bxh5 gxh5 11.Qxh5 Qd5 12.Qh4 Bf6 13.Qg3+ Kh8
My kingside looks ugly, but maybe there's hope in the open g-file.
14.d3 -- Better 14.c4. 14...Nc6 15.Nd2?
Hey, I'm not the only one who falls asleep at the board!
15...Nxe5 16.fxe5 Bxe5 17.Qf2 Bg4
Perhaps better was 17...Rg8 18.Kh1 Bh3 19.Rg1 Bg4
18.Rae1 Rad8 19.Re4?
Pointless. Instead 19.Ba3 was good.
19...f5 20.Ree1 Rg8 21.Nf3 Bf6 22.Re2 Bh3
Better 22...Rg7 23.Kh1 Rdg8
23.Qe1 e5 24.Kh1 Bg4 25.Rxe5?? Bxe5?
Asleep again. Instead of this automatic recapture, I had the crushing
queen sac 25...Bxf3!!, and if 26.Rxd5 Bxg2+ 27.Kg1 Bxd5+ 28.Qg3
(28.Kf2 Rg2#) 28...Be5 -+. Now I play the rest of the game like crap
and deservedly lose.
26.Qxe5+ Qxe5 27.Nxe5 Rg7 28.h3 Bxh3?? - The final idiocy; better
28...Be2 or 28...Re7. -- 29.gxh3 Re7 30.Rxf5 Kg8 31.Bc1 Rde8 32.Rg5+
Kf8?? 33.Ba3 0-1
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 23:54:53
From:
Subject: Re: About the Bird (was: Phil's dance game)
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:31:16 -0800 (PST), Taylor Kingston
<[email protected] > wrote:
> I've had good success against the Bird over the years, winning three
>of the four times I've faced it in serious USCF-rated play, though
>admittedly not against very strong opposition. Here are the four
>games:
>
>J. Uberti - T. Kingston, USCF correspondence, ch-October 1982: 1.f4
>d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.Be2 Bxf3 5.Bxf3 Nbd7 6.Nc3 c6 7.d3?!
>
>Better 7.d4. Once Black gets e7-e5 in, he's at least equal.
d3 wouldn't have been too bad if he would have played h3 instead of
Be2 at move 4.
d3 is played to prepare for a e4 push. this e4 push at the right time
can have very good results.
I personally don't like d4, it sets up a 'stonewall' type of pawn
structure that sets up a weakness on e4... its a real nice outpost for
a black knight.
>
>7...e5 8.Qd2 Bd6 9.b3 Qc7 10.Qf2 0-0-0 11.0-0 Kb8 12.a4?
>
a4 is definately premature, but white was introuble already.
his moves 8.Qd2 and 10.Qf2 are a complete waste of time.
at this point he should have just exchanged his f pawn.
>Simply dropping the f-pawn. Better 12.Be2.
>
>12...exf4 13.exf4 Bxf4 14.Bxf4 Qxf4 15.Rfe1 Ne5 16.Qe3??
>
>Loses at least a piece.
ouch, he should have never exchanged off his dark squared bishop. Not
after he created a nice home for it on b2.
>
>16...Nxf3+ 17.gxf3
>
>If 17.Qxf3 Qd4+ 18.Kh1 Qxc3
>
>17...Qxe3+ 18.Rxe3 d4 19.Re5 dxc3 20.Re7 Rhf8
hmm why not Re7 right away??? not that it matters at this point
anyways...
>21.Rae1 Rde8 22.Rxe8+
>Rxe8 23.Rxe8+ Nxe8 24.Kg2 Nf6 0-1
>
>M. Anders (1713) - TK (1827), Cincinnati 1994: 1.f4 d5 2.b3?!
>
> Average players often play the Bird this way, but this is premature.
>Better 2.e3 first. Now Black is able to get in an advance that blocks
>the white QB's diagonal and makes his queenside development awkward.
>
2. Nf3 is pretty much standard. I like playing b3 but it is far too
premature at this point. 2...d4 is a fantastic move that white should
never allow. Ive had my queenside torn apart by moves like ...d4 and
to have it happen in move 2 is devistating for white.
>2...d4! 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bb2 c5 5.Na3 g6 6.e3 dxe3 7.Bb5+ Bd7 8.Bxd7+ Nbxd7
>9.dxe3 Bg7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.0-0-0
>
>Rather too optimistic, I thought. Black can open the queenside more
>easily than White can the kingside.
>
Normally white almost always castles kingside in the bird unless there
is pressing need to castle queenside.
>11...Qc7 12.Nb5 Qa5 13.a4 a6 14.Bc3 Qb6 15.Na3 Qc6 16.Nc4 Ne4 17.Bxg7
>Kxg7 18.Nfe5 Nxe5 19.Nxe5 Qe6 20.Qf3 Nd6
>
>A good alternative was 20...Nc3 21.Rd3 Na2+ 22.Kb1 Nb4.
>
why retreat the white knight? strange move
>21.g4?! - Better some prophylaxis with 21.Qd5. -- 21...f6 22.Nd3 c4
>23.Nc5 Qc8 24.b4?
>
>Again 24.Qd5 was better.
>
>24...b6 25.Ne4 Qc6! -- Forking the a-pawn and the pinned Ne4. Black is
>winning now. -- 26.Rd4 Rad8 The immediate 26...Qxa4 was perhaps
>better. 27.Rhd1 Qxa4 28.Nxd6 c3! 29.Nc4??
>
>Overlooking my obvious threat, but after 29.Kb1 Rxd6 30.R1d3 Rxd4
>31.exd4 Qxb4+ 32.Kc1 Qb2+ 33.Kd1 Qb1+ 34.Ke2 Qxc2+ 35.Ke3 Qc1+ 36.Kf2
>c2 Black still wins.
>
> 29...Qa1 mate.
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 09:18:39
From: William Hyde
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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On Dec 10, 1:42 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> > 1. f2-f4 e7-e5 2. fxe5
>
> I've often thought that Bird players would be better advised to
> transpose to the King's Gambit here by 2.e4. Then White would be
> attacking rather than defending right from the get-go.
I believe that Alekhine makes this suggestion somewhere in his
collected games.
Though when someone tried this against Tarrasch, he played 2 ... d5
happily, as he always believed that the Falkbeer was the refutation of
the King's gambit. So
white was still defending and Tarrasch won in fine style.
While his reputation seems to be that of a solid positional player, he
seems to have played gambits reasonably often.
Two in this game alone.
And with this move order, three gambits are offered
within four ply!
I could post some of my games, but there is already enough traffic on
soc.history.medieval.
William Hyde
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 12:54:24
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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"William Hyde" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Dec 10, 1:42 pm, Taylor Kingston <[email protected]> wrote:
> I could post some of my games, but there is already enough traffic on
> soc.history.medieval.
booooooooo! boring!
Come on! its Christmas, and I want to read about Vizier to Elephant 4.
ROFL!
We men get enough socs at Christmas anyhow, though why people would be
interested in medieval ones enough to write about it in a newsgroup is
obscure! Besides, why are men's socks different colours? It is IMPOSSIBLE to
find a pair no matter how many socks you have, as ani ful no - whereas,
everyone sitting down? here comes a genius-level idea...
Why not... make mens socks multicoloured abstractions - so that any one sock
would match any other sock?
Brilliant, no?
besides, they could also be patterned, and i suggest [several mathematicians
read here, so i'll show off] they could also be monohedrally tesselated!
OR
and this is my contribution to the History of the World, Culture & All That
Penrose Tesselated!
I would suggest starting with a rhombus, so that
The rhombus Penrose tiling can be drawn using the following L-system:
variables: 1 6 7 8 9 [ ]
constants: + ?;
start: [7]++[7]++[7]++[7]++[7]
rules: 6 ? 81++91????71[?81????61]++
7 ? +81??91[???61??71]+
8 ? ?61++71[+++81++91]?
9 ? ??81++++61[+91++++71]??71
1 ? (eliminated at each iteration)
angle: 36�
Merry Cordially, Phil Innes
> William Hyde
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 01:08:48
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Another Game Score
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On Dec 13, 2:09 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> It does not seem right to just post wins to this thread, [...]
Why not?! I think that it is perfectly alright.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 10:56:48
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Another Game Score
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"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:067993dd-0e45-42d8-a809-3313711e52e9@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 2:09 pm, "Chess One" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It does not seem right to just post wins to this thread, [...]
>
> Why not?! I think that it is perfectly alright.
in that case, and since Wlod is desperate to analyse games [you want a job
Wlod? - really, write to me] this one is in progress, opponent is 230 points
stronger than the previous game, and is rated 2368
White ChessOne, 2297
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 e5
hey! yet another Pelikan! or do people call this 'Sveshnikov' in US? i don't
like that general name since it is also a name of a sub-variation in this
system
6. Nb5 d6
7. a4
i started playing this recently, since its rare - of course, it eliminates
the b pawn advance, and creates a hole on b6
7 ... a6
8. Na3 Be7
9. Be3 Be6
10. Nc4 Nxe4
only thing to do! the mock-sac - otherwise b6 is stationed permanently
11. Nxe4 d5
12. Nb6 Rb8
so how to take advantage of the temporary material plus? i am now in new
territory and don't manage to do it to my satisfaction, although stay equal
objectively {?} can anyone suggest a better result than what follows?
13. Nc5 d4
14. Nxe6 fxe6
15. Nc4 dxe3
16. Nxe3 O-O
17. Bc4 Qb6
ah! and my b pawn is not nearly enough poisoned, is it? and that half open f
file is dangerous, and I haven't castled yet, so...
18. O-O Qxb2
19. Bxe6 Kh8
20. Qh5
gotta get more activity! link them rooks!
20 ... g6
a concession! and forced i think, otherwise i get in Bf5 - but again, hard
to make use of the concession which incidentally offers the black king a
square of luft, and now we have opposite bishops
21. Qh3 Qd4
22. c4
dunno if that's good, but it claims plenty of space, and i can play Bd5 and
get a passed Bishop! better the knight or rook there...
22 ... b6
23. Rd1
to claim my own file, and a few more moves have been played, but since this
one is in progress, i won't repeat them
---
In my column and the CV forum i have been asking people what's out there?
when is the last time people played this or that opening, eg?
its really very interesting to read responses, danny heismann chipped in to
say that it was his opinion too that people don't know the first 12 moves of
hardly any openings, and often deviate disastrously. If the black player in
the above game hadn't played his 10th Nxp he would have had a lack-lustre
game, white gets away with almost everything to keep the initiative and the
hole on d5 /is/ significant, [always the theme in the Pelikan] and black
does not have enough compensation, via the usual f-file push plus the 2
bishops.
phil innes
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 12:56:06
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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On Dec 13, 11:00 am, Taylor Kingston <[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 13, 4:16 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Dec 12, 6:52 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > > >> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
> > > >> [White "---"
> > > >> [Black "Chess One"]
> > > >> [Result "0-1"]
>
> > > hmmm familiar looking game :)
>
> > > 1. f2-f4 e7-e5
> > > - Froms gambit...
>
> > > 2. f4xe5 d7-d6
> > > 3. e5xd6 Bf8xd6
> > > 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5
> > > - Lasker Variation
>
> > > 5. g3-g3 g5-g4
> > > - "The move 4... g5 is not to my taste. I believe that White can
> > > answer 5. g3' GM Bent Larsen in 'Selected games'
>
> > > 6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7
> > > 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6
> > > 8. Nh4xg6 h7xg6
> > > - This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
>
> > > 9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6
> > > [...]
>
> > > J.Lohner
>
> > You and Taylor take 8.Qd1-d3 in stride,
> > as a standard theoretical move. I feel
> > (naively?) that 8.Bg2 is clearly better.
> > Why am I wrong (if at all)?
>
> 9.Qd3 seems pretty much forced here. If 9.Bg2?! Rxh2!
Very thematic! But I have overlooked it anyway.
Thank you, Taylor.
After 3.e5xd6 black gets a persistent tactical
pressure, which in effect amounts to a strategical
consideration. Thus I am doubtful already about 3.exd.
White should simply develop: 3.Nf3, and it's just
a game. 1.f4 is not such a hot move. However,
1.f4 e5 2.d4 is interesting.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 05:31:31
From:
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:56:06 -0800 (PST), "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski
(Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote:
>Very thematic! But I have overlooked it anyway.
>Thank you, Taylor.
>
>After 3.e5xd6 black gets a persistent tactical
>pressure, which in effect amounts to a strategical
>consideration. Thus I am doubtful already about 3.exd.
>White should simply develop: 3.Nf3, and it's just
>a game. 1.f4 is not such a hot move. However,
>1.f4 e5 2.d4 is interesting.
>
>Regards,
>
> Wlod
1.f4 is all I play as white, other than sheer shock value, it does
help set up a decent kingside attack. Froms Gambit certainly does
hand the initiative over to black but if you can get through the
tactical minefield that follows in the next 10 or so moves, you are up
a pawn and have two center pawns while black has 0 center pawns.
Strategically this has got to be good (in the long run). Up to move
18 Fritz gave the advantage to white in this game. It was my three
horrible blunders in a row that lost the game, not the opening :)
J.Lohner
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 08:22:51
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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>
> 1.f4 is all I play as white, other than sheer shock value, it does
> help set up a decent kingside attack. Froms Gambit certainly does
> hand the initiative over to black but if you can get through the
> tactical minefield that follows in the next 10 or so moves, you are up
> a pawn and have two center pawns while black has 0 center pawns.
> Strategically this has got to be good (in the long run). Up to move
> 18 Fritz gave the advantage to white in this game. It was my three
> horrible blunders in a row that lost the game, not the opening :)
In our previous game I played an English Defense set-up. as alternate to
obtaining a big Q-side pawn front. Is that also a usual confrontation -
sorry can't seem to find the game, but I remember a knight getting lose into
your position. Phil
>
> J.Lohner
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 17:09:00
From: Chess One
Subject: Another Game Score
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It does not seem right to just post wins to this thread, but hard not to! I
could post my loss to Yelena Dembo in a Rossolimo, and I will do so since I
want to know where i went wrong.
But before that, here is a win over a 2050 player in an Alekhine. I never
play that opening myself, so am disadvantaged. Here I catch almost all the
black bits on the back row, and there is no hope for black. Again, I am
clueless to theory here, since after playing 5. f4 as an idea, I am out of
my own 'book' of anything remembered, and the game 'seems to play itself'
1. e4 Nf6
2. e5 Nd5
3. d4 d6
4. c4 Nb6
5. f4 dxe5
6. fxe5 Nc6
7. Be3 Bf5
8. Nc3 e6
9. Nf3 Qd7
10. Be2 Rd8
11. O-O Bg4
12. c5 Nd5
13. Nxd5 Qxd5
14. Ng5 Bxe2
15. Qxe2 Rd7
16. Qf2 Nd8
17. Qg3 Be7
18. Nf3 Qe4
19. Re1 Qg6
20. Qxg6 hxg6
21. b4 a6
22. Rb1 b5
23. cxb6 cxb6
24. Rc1 O-O
25. b5 a5
26. Rc4 Bb4
27. Rc1 f6
28. Rc8 Nf7
29. Rc6
black resigned
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 11:00:43
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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On Dec 13, 4:16 am, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 12, 6:52 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
> > >> [White "---"
> > >> [Black "Chess One"]
> > >> [Result "0-1"]
>
> > hmmm familiar looking game :)
>
> > 1. f2-f4 e7-e5
> > - Froms gambit...
>
> > 2. f4xe5 d7-d6
> > 3. e5xd6 Bf8xd6
> > 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5
> > - Lasker Variation
>
> > 5. g3-g3 g5-g4
> > - "The move 4... g5 is not to my taste. I believe that White can
> > answer 5. g3' GM Bent Larsen in 'Selected games'
>
> > 6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7
> > 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6
> > 8. Nh4xg6 h7xg6
> > - This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
>
> > 9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6
> > [...]
>
> > J.Lohner
>
> You and Taylor take 8.Qd1-d3 in stride,
> as a standard theoretical move. I feel
> (naively?) that 8.Bg2 is clearly better.
> Why am I wrong (if at all)?
9.Qd3 seems pretty much forced here. If 9.Bg2?! Rxh2! and 10.Qd3 is
now forced anyway, since if 10.Rxh2? Bxg3+ 11.Kf1 Bxh2 -+. After
10...Rxh1 11.Bxh1 Black is at least equal, perhaps slightly better. So
it seems that 9.Qd3 is necessary, to protect the g-pawn.
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 01:16:49
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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On Dec 12, 6:52 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> >> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
> >> [White "---"
> >> [Black "Chess One"]
> >> [Result "0-1"]
>
> hmmm familiar looking game :)
>
> 1. f2-f4 e7-e5
> - Froms gambit...
>
> 2. f4xe5 d7-d6
> 3. e5xd6 Bf8xd6
> 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5
> - Lasker Variation
>
> 5. g3-g3 g5-g4
> - "The move 4... g5 is not to my taste. I believe that White can
> answer 5. g3' GM Bent Larsen in 'Selected games'
>
> 6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7
> 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6
> 8. Nh4xg6 h7xg6
> - This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
>
> 9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6
> [...]
>
> J.Lohner
You and Taylor take 8.Qd1-d3 in stride,
as a standard theoretical move. I feel
(naively?) that 8.Bg2 is clearly better.
Why am I wrong (if at all)?
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 01:13:38
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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On Dec 8, 5:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
>
> > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> > 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
>
> 8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
> [...]
>
> Mats
But if one enters 8.b4 and let a strong chess engine
to analyse the position deeply, what would it say?
Possibly the chess engines don't consider 8.b4
because it is a pawn sac. However I feel that it
would be silly for black to accept it.
And what is your personal opinion, you--strong
rgcm chess players? I feel that 8.b4 is the right
move. I gave some of the reasons. Also, white
both is ahead in the development and has more
space. Furthermore, Mats is planning several
moves which do not contribute much to black's
development, which should spell a major trouble.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 10:42:06
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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On Dec 9, 8:32 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:af4a0d1f-18ad-43ab-95eb-7390929babd8@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > What about the games by other participants of
> > this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
> > and specific comments?)
>
> Since you are doing free analysis Wlod, here is one of mine form
> correspondance. The other player sometimes posts here, so I remove name. The
> thing, is, I have /no/ idea what I am doing with the black pieces -after the
> intial gambit I asked myself 'why did I do that?', and only remember theory
> to play 4... g5 and 7 Ng6
>
> My problem in the middle game is that both my bishops get in the way, so I
> have to make exchange sac, and park them on the 8th rank! But earlier I
> think I am in trouble, but can't break through without the sac.
>
> //phil
A few Fritz8-assisted comments below:
> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
> [White "---"
> [Black "Chess One"]
> [Result "0-1"]
>
> 1. f2-f4 e7-e5 2. fxe5
I've often thought that Bird players would be better advised to
transpose to the King's Gambit here by 2.e4. Then White would be
attacking rather than defending right from the get-go.
> 2...d7-d6 3. exd6 Bf8xd6 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5. g2-g3 g5-g4
> 6. Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6
All mainline book so far. At this point, Nunn's Chess Openings
(1999) rates the position as +/-, i.e. a definite advantage for White,
though not a winning one.
> 10. c2-c3
> Bc8-f5 11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7 12. Bf1-g2 O-O-O 13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7
Finally out of book. NCO gives only 13...Rxh2? 14.Rxh2 Bxg3+ 15.Ke2
Bxh2 16.exf5+-.
> 14. Ke1-d1 f7-f6
> 15. Nb1-d2 Nc6-a5 16. b2-b4 Bd7-a4 17. Kd1-c1 Na5-c6 18. Ra1-b1 a7-a6
> 19. Rh1-e1?
White goes badly wrong here and next move. Better were 19.Qe2, Nc4,
or Kb2.
> 19...Rh8xh2 20. Re1-e2??
The losing move. Better 20.Qe2 Qe6 (not 20...Bxg3?? 21.Qxg4+) 21.e5
(not 21.d5?? Qe5) 21...fxe5 22.d5 Qf5 23.Be4 Qh5 24.Qd3 Ne7 with a
very lively, unbalanced position. But now White is busted.
> 19...Bd6xg3
Straightforward and strong, but even better was 20...Ne5! 21.dxe5
Bxb4! 22.Bd4 Ba3+ 23.Rb2 fxe5 etc. and White is crushed.
> 21. Nd2-f1? Nc6-e5!
That's the idea! This move is still very strong here. Relatively
best for White was probably 21.c4 or Bg1, but Black would still have
been winning.
> 22. Qd3-d2 Rh2xg2 23.
> Re2xg2 Bg3-e1 24. Qd2-e2 Ba4-b5 25. Qe2-c2 Bb5xf1
Somewhat stronger was 25...Nd3+ 26Kd1 Qxe4 27.Re2 Qh1 etc., but the
text is quite adequate also. White can resign any time now.
> 26. Rg2-g1 Bf1-d3 27.
> Qc2-d1 Bd3xb1 28. Kc1xb1 Be1xc3 29. Qd1-c2 Qe7xb4 30. Kb1-c1 Bc3-b2 31.
> Qc2xb2 Ne5-d3 0-1
Not a bad game, Phil.
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 09:44:30
From:
Subject: Re: Whats your Rating?
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Does it seem to anyone that this thread consists of one guy
talking to himself (followed by a Sanny advert)?
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:17:38
From: Sanny
Subject: Whats your Rating?
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> That surprises me. My variation isn't convincing at all. I follow the
> recipe of Spassky: play practical chess. Whether the position holds
> water in the after-analysis, that doesn't matter much. Chess is a
> struggle. Nowadays people are so theoretically minded so when they
> discover that playing 7.d4 would have been formally stronger they lose
> interest in the game. I bet nobody has even played through the game.
>
Whats your Rating? Are you 2000+ or 2300+???
If yes can you beat Master Level at GetClub Chess?
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 03:05:59
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6
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On Dec 9, 12:42 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> I follow the recipe of Spassky: play practical chess.
In music, I follow the recipe of Mozart: play the right
number of notes--not one too many, not one too few.
> Whether the position holds water in the after-analysis,
> that doesn't matter much.
If the Austrian emperor tells me after the concert
that my composition does not hold water that doesn't
matter much...
Wait, I am not Mozart.
=========
Wlod
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 02:59:03
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Phil's dance game
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On Dec 9, 5:32 am, "Chess One" <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Since you are doing free analysis Wlod, here is one of mine form
> correspondance.
You get what you pay for.
> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
> [White "---"
> [Black "Chess One"]
> [Result "0-1"]
> 1. f2-f4 e7-e5 2. fxe5 d7-d6 3. exd6 Bf8xd6
There is a checkmate threat: 4...Qh4+
5.g3 Qxg3+ 6.hxg Bxg3 check mate.
> 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5?!
If 5.h4 then 5... Bg3 check mate
> 5. g2-g3 g5-g4 6. Nf3-h4
If 6.Nd4 then 6...Bxg3+ 7.hxg Qxd4
with equal material, but black would
be slightly better off.
I don't like the black g7-g5-g4 sequence.
To have a compensation for the pawn
black should develop rapidly, faster
than white. Natural 4... Bg5! must be better.
> 6... Ng8-e7?!
Black missed 6... Be7, and the forced
white answer 7.Ng2 is still poor.
7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1-d3?
White protects himself against 9... Bxg3+.
Nevertheless it is a poor move, which makes
this game less interesting. Simple 9.Bg2 would
be good--white would enjoy a small advantage.
(later white went Bg2 anyway, of course!)
Now 9...Bf5!? would be very interesting,
more so than what has happened in the game.
Indeed, Nb8-d7-f6 would provide an additional
attack on e4 (see the game bellow for an insight
and comparison).
9... Nb8-c6 10. c2-c3
There was a threat of 10...Nxd4 (11.Qxd4
Bxg3+).
>10... Bc8-f5 11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7
> 12. Bf1-g2 O-O-O 13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7
or 13...Rh8-e8 14.exf Qxe3+ 15.Qxe3 Rxe3+
16.Kxx Rde8 (17.Bxc6 bxc) -- do doubled
black rooks overcome the disadvantage of horrible
pawns? Perhaps, I think so.
Ok, now switch to Rybka :-)
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 02:52:43
From:
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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>> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
>> [White "---"
>> [Black "Chess One"]
>> [Result "0-1"]
>
hmmm familiar looking game :)
1. f2-f4 e7-e5
- Froms gambit...
2. f4xe5 d7-d6
3. e5xd6 Bf8xd6
4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5
- Lasker Variation
5. g3-g3 g5-g4
- "The move 4... g5 is not to my taste. I believe that White can
answer 5. g3' GM Bent Larsen in 'Selected games'
6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7
7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6
8. Nh4xg6 h7xg6
- This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6
10. c2-c3 Bc8-f5
11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7
12. Bf1-g2 0-0-0
13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7
14. Ke1-d1 f7-f6
15. Nb1-d2 Nc6-a5
16. b2-b4 bd7-a4+
17. Kd1-c1 Na5-c6
- So far Fritz says everything is ok, with a small advantage
to white.
18. Ra1-b1 a7-a6
- [18. Nd2-c4 Qe7-e8 +-]
- wow 18 moves with out a blunder... must be a record for me :)
19. Rh1-e1?? Rh8xh2
- [19. Qd3-e2]
- Major blunder #1
20. Re1-e2?? Bd6xg3
- [20. Qd3-e2]
- Major blunder #2
21. Nd2-f1?? Nc6-e5
- third major blunder in a row
- [21. c3-c4]
- Game is pretty much lost now the rest is just
technique
22. Qd3-d2 Rh2xg2
23. Re2xg2 Bg3-e1
24. Qd2-e2 Ba4-b5
25. Qe2-c2 Bb5xf1
26. Rg2-g1 Bf1-d3
27. Qc2-d1 Bd3xb1
28. Kc1xb1 Be1xc3
29. Qd1-c2 Qe7xb4+
30. Kb1-c1 Bc3-b2+
31. Qc2xb2 Ne5-d3+
0-1
resigning was way overdue...
J.Lohner
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Date: 13 Dec 2007 13:00:39
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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<[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>> [Date "2007.10.28 "]
>>> [White "---"
>>> [Black "Chess One"]
>>> [Result "0-1"]
>>
> hmmm familiar looking game :)
hi J!
> 1. f2-f4 e7-e5
> - Froms gambit...
>
> 2. f4xe5 d7-d6
> 3. e5xd6 Bf8xd6
> 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5
> - Lasker Variation
this endeth my knowledge of what to do, except to say that I want to open
the h file and try to paralyse white's castling
> 5. g3-g3 g5-g4
> - "The move 4... g5 is not to my taste. I believe that White can
> answer 5. g3' GM Bent Larsen in 'Selected games'
thank you Bent. I'll make a note of it - though g4 seems to be one answer
> 6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7
> 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6
> 8. Nh4xg6 h7xg6
> - This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
yes - what what to do after ripping? I was afraid that all those center
pawns would advance, white's bishops would get good diagonals...
> 9. Qd1-d3
I see criticism of this move, OTOH, if defensible otherwise, it holds the
entire central mass of pawns together.
... Nb8-c6
> 10. c2-c3 Bc8-f5
> 11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7
> 12. Bf1-g2 0-0-0
> 13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7
> 14. Ke1-d1 f7-f6
> 15. Nb1-d2 Nc6-a5
> 16. b2-b4 bd7-a4+
> 17. Kd1-c1 Na5-c6
> - So far Fritz says everything is ok, with a small advantage
> to white.
Thank you Fritz. obviously J did not allow another mate in 1 by pushing the
b pawn.
> 18. Ra1-b1 a7-a6
> - [18. Nd2-c4 Qe7-e8 +-]
> - wow 18 moves with out a blunder... must be a record for me :)
>
> 19. Rh1-e1?? Rh8xh2
> - [19. Qd3-e2]
> - Major blunder #1
>
> 20. Re1-e2?? Bd6xg3
is this a good move?
> - [20. Qd3-e2]
> - Major blunder #2
>
> 21. Nd2-f1?? Nc6-e5
> - third major blunder in a row
> - [21. c3-c4]
I was very unsure until here if the exchange sac would work out well.
> - Game is pretty much lost now the rest is just
> technique
>
> 22. Qd3-d2 Rh2xg2
> 23. Re2xg2 Bg3-e1
laugh - so, eventually i wind up getting both bishops out of the way by
parking them on the 8th rank, and the knight's subsequent access seals it
> 24. Qd2-e2 Ba4-b5
> 25. Qe2-c2 Bb5xf1
> 26. Rg2-g1 Bf1-d3
> 27. Qc2-d1 Bd3xb1
> 28. Kc1xb1 Be1xc3
> 29. Qd1-c2 Qe7xb4+
> 30. Kb1-c1 Bc3-b2+
> 31. Qc2xb2 Ne5-d3+
you were the strongest player at your rating bracket to put up anything like
a good fight - after 17 moves, Fritz concurs, you were better. You play this
system a lot, has anyone else tried the From at correspondance?
Cordially Phil
> 0-1
>
> resigning was way overdue...
>
> J.Lohner
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Date: 14 Dec 2007 05:24:46
From:
Subject: Re: Phil's dance game
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:00:39 -0500, "Chess One" <[email protected] >
wrote:
>this endeth my knowledge of what to do, except to say that I want to open
>the h file and try to paralyse white's castling
>
You were in book up to move 13 :)
>> 5. g3-g3 g5-g4
>> - This is the point of the Lasker Variation, to rip open the H file
>
>yes - what what to do after ripping? I was afraid that all those center
>pawns would advance, white's bishops would get good diagonals...
If im not careful, I can drop a rook.
As for the center pawns, yes if I can get through the tactical
minefields that Froms Gambit offers, the two central pawns can be
devistating.
>
>> 9. Qd1-d3
>
>I see criticism of this move, OTOH, if defensible otherwise, it holds the
>entire central mass of pawns together.
>
Its pretty much forced, it holds my kingside together.
>... Nb8-c6
>> 10. c2-c3 Bc8-f5
>> 11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7
>> 12. Bf1-g2 0-0-0
>> 13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7
>> 14. Ke1-d1 f7-f6
>> 15. Nb1-d2 Nc6-a5
>> 16. b2-b4 bd7-a4+
>> 17. Kd1-c1 Na5-c6
>> - So far Fritz says everything is ok, with a small advantage
>> to white.
>
>Thank you Fritz. obviously J did not allow another mate in 1 by pushing the
>b pawn.
I run every game through fritz and see how many "??" I get :)
>
>> 18. Ra1-b1 a7-a6
>> - [18. Nd2-c4 Qe7-e8 +-]
>> - wow 18 moves with out a blunder... must be a record for me :)
>>
>> 19. Rh1-e1?? Rh8xh2
>> - [19. Qd3-e2]
>> - Major blunder #1
>>
>> 20. Re1-e2?? Bd6xg3
>
>is this a good move?
>
Yes I certainly didn't expect it. I was pretty much in retreat mode
at this point.
>> - [20. Qd3-e2]
>> - Major blunder #2
>>
>> 21. Nd2-f1?? Nc6-e5
>> - third major blunder in a row
>> - [21. c3-c4]
>
>I was very unsure until here if the exchange sac would work out well.
>
it worked :)
>> - Game is pretty much lost now the rest is just
>> technique
>>
>> 22. Qd3-d2 Rh2xg2
>> 23. Re2xg2 Bg3-e1
>
>laugh - so, eventually i wind up getting both bishops out of the way by
>parking them on the 8th rank, and the knight's subsequent access seals it
>
>> 24. Qd2-e2 Ba4-b5
>> 25. Qe2-c2 Bb5xf1
>> 26. Rg2-g1 Bf1-d3
>> 27. Qc2-d1 Bd3xb1
>> 28. Kc1xb1 Be1xc3
>> 29. Qd1-c2 Qe7xb4+
>> 30. Kb1-c1 Bc3-b2+
>> 31. Qc2xb2 Ne5-d3+
>
>you were the strongest player at your rating bracket to put up anything like
>a good fight - after 17 moves, Fritz concurs, you were better. You play this
>system a lot, has anyone else tried the From at correspondance?
>
>Cordially Phil
Yes Ive had a few Froms Gambit games, and have won quite a few of
them, some of them in as little as 12 moves (against a far higher
rated opponent).
shortest Birds opening game ive played
1. f4 f5
2. e4!? g6??
3. exf5 gxf5
4. Qh5#
:)
Honestly, the toughest response to Birds Opening is 1.f4 d5.
2. Nf3 C5. This system starts a Queenside attack that can have
devistating results. Birds Opening is mainly a Kingside attack
opening and one of the toughest parts of this opening is what to do
with the Queenside knight and bishop.
WGM Y.Dembo played a Kings Indian style setup that was actually very
difficult to play against as well. But Im pretty sure that that had
alot to do with the HUGE rating difference between her and myself :)
I have almost a 2-1 win/loss ratio with Birds Opening so I think I
will stick with it far awhile longer :) Now my Kings indian Defense
is another story...
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Date: 09 Dec 2007 08:32:30
From: Chess One
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:af4a0d1f-18ad-43ab-95eb-7390929babd8@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> What about the games by other participants of
> this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
> and specific comments?)
Since you are doing free analysis Wlod, here is one of mine form
correspondance. The other player sometimes posts here, so I remove name. The
thing, is, I have /no/ idea what I am doing with the black pieces -after the
intial gambit I asked myself 'why did I do that?', and only remember theory
to play 4... g5 and 7 Ng6
My problem in the middle game is that both my bishops get in the way, so I
have to make exchange sac, and park them on the 8th rank! But earlier I
think I am in trouble, but can't break through without the sac.
//phil
[Date "2007.10.28 "]
[White "---"
[Black "Chess One"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. f2-f4 e7-e5 2. fxe5 d7-d6 3. exd6 Bf8xd6 4. Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5. g2-g3 g5-g4
6. Nf3-h4 Ng8-e7 7. d2-d4 Ne7-g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1-d3 Nb8-c6 10. c2-c3
Bc8-f5 11. e2-e4 Qd8-e7 12. Bf1-g2 O-O-O 13. Bc1-e3 Bf5-d7 14. Ke1-d1 f7-f6
15. Nb1-d2 Nc6-a5 16. b2-b4 Bd7-a4 17. Kd1-c1 Na5-c6 18. Ra1-b1 a7-a6 19.
Rh1-e1 Rh8xh2 20. Re1-e2 Bd6xg3 21. Nd2-f1 Nc6-e5 22. Qd3-d2 Rh2xg2 23.
Re2xg2 Bg3-e1 24. Qd2-e2 Ba4-b5 25. Qe2-c2 Bb5xf1 26. Rg2-g1 Bf1-d3 27.
Qc2-d1 Bd3xb1 28. Kc1xb1 Be1xc3 29. Qd1-c2 Qe7xb4 30. Kb1-c1 Bc3-b2 31.
Qc2xb2 Ne5-d3 0-1
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 12:50:39
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6
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On Dec 8, 2:57 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
<[email protected] > wrote:
> On Dec 8, 5:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
> > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> > > 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
> > 8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
>
> > Mats
>
> Interesting :-) What is your next move?
I entered the position through move 7 into the CB Mega Database
2005, and was surprised to see that it found three matches. White won
them all. For what they're worth to this discussion, I append them
below:
[Event "RUS-ch sf"]
[Site "Pskov"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Lialin, Yury"]
[Black "Podvalnikov, Boris"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C70"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "1998.??.??"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.11.16"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bc5 5. c3 Qe7 6. O-O Ba7 7. d4 f6
8. Qd3 b5 9. Bb3 Bb7 10. a4 bxa4 11. Rxa4 Bb6 12. Re1 d6 13. Nbd2 g5
14. Bd5 Qd7 15. Qc4 Kf8 16. dxe5 dxe5 17. Nb3 Bc5 18. Qxc5+ Qd6 19.
Be3 Nge7 20. Qxd6 cxd6 21. Bc4 Nd8 22. Nfd2 d5 23. Bd3 dxe4 24. Nxe4
Nd5 25. Nbc5 Nxe3 26. fxe3 Bc6 27.
Rxa6 Rxa6 28. Bxa6 Kf7 29. b4 Ke7 30. b5 Ba8 31. Rd1 f5 32. Rd7+ Ke8
33. b6 Bc6 34. Rc7 Rf8 35. b7 Bxb7 36. Nxb7 Nxb7 37. Rxb7 Rf6 38. Bb5+
Kf8 39. Rxh7 g4 40. c4 f4 41. c5 f3 42. gxf3 Rxf3 43. Rh5 1-0
[Event "Paris-ch op"]
[Site "Paris"]
[Date "1999.07.23"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Stoyanov, Stoyan"]
[Black "Ignjatovic, Miroslav"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C60"]
[WhiteElo "2049"]
[BlackElo "2047"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[EventDate "1999.07.17"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "FRA"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.11.16"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f6 4. O-O a6 5. Ba4 Bc5 6. c3 Ba7 7. d4 Qe7
8. Nh4 g6 9. Nf3 h6 10. Bb3 g5 11. Be3 b6 12. Nbd2 b5 13. a4 b4 14.
Bd5 Rb8 15. Nc4 b3 16. Bxc6 dxc6 17. dxe5 Bxe3 18. fxe3 Be6 19. exf6
Qc5 20. f7+ Bxf7 21. Nfe5 Be6 22. Qh5+ Kd8 23. Rad1+ Kc8 24. Qe8+ Kb7
25. Qxe6 Ne7 26. Nd7 1-0
[Event "AUS-ch"]
[Site "Melbourne"]
[Date "2001.12.31"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Zhao, Zong Yuan"]
[Black "West, Guy"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C70"]
[WhiteElo "2387"]
[BlackElo "2363"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[EventDate "2001.12.01"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "AUS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2002.11.25"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bc5 5. O-O f6 6. c3 Qe7 7. d4 Ba7
8. Re1 Nd8 9. Nbd2 Nf7 10. Nf1 Ngh6 11. Ng3 O-O 12. Bb3 Kh8 13. Nf5
Nxf5 14. exf5 c6 15. Nh4 d5 16. Qh5 Kg8 17. Re3 Re8 18. Bd2 b5 19.
Rae1 Bb7 20. Rh3 Qd7 21. Nf3 h6 22. dxe5 Nxe5 23. Nxe5 Rxe5 24. Rxe5
fxe5 25. Bxh6 Rf8 26. Be3 1-0
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 22:52:41
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
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Den 2007-12-08 21:50:39 skrev Taylor Kingston <[email protected] >:
> On Dec 8, 2:57 pm, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 5:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>>
>> > > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
>> > > 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
>> > 8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
>>
>> > Mats
>>
>> Interesting :-) What is your next move?
>
> I entered the position through move 7 into the CB Mega Database
> 2005, and was surprised to see that it found three matches. White won
> them all. For what they're worth to this discussion, I append them
> below:
>
Well, they don't follow the theory (that is, my research) and that's
why they lose. Black, generally, must play Kf8, and then
g6, d6, Kg7, Nh6. It depends on circumstances when d6 should
be played. It could sometimes be deferred.
Mats
> [Event "RUS-ch sf"]
> [Site "Pskov"]
> [Date "1998.??.??"]
> [Round "8"]
> [White "Lialin, Yury"]
> [Black "Podvalnikov, Boris"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C70"]
> [PlyCount "85"]
> [EventDate "1998.??.??"]
> [EventType "swiss"]
> [EventRounds "11"]
> [EventCountry "RUS"]
> [Source "ChessBase"]
> [SourceDate "1999.11.16"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bc5 5. c3 Qe7 6. O-O Ba7 7. d4 f6
> 8. Qd3 b5 9. Bb3 Bb7 10. a4 bxa4 11. Rxa4 Bb6 12. Re1 d6 13. Nbd2 g5
> 14. Bd5 Qd7 15. Qc4 Kf8 16. dxe5 dxe5 17. Nb3 Bc5 18. Qxc5+ Qd6 19.
> Be3 Nge7 20. Qxd6 cxd6 21. Bc4 Nd8 22. Nfd2 d5 23. Bd3 dxe4 24. Nxe4
> Nd5 25. Nbc5 Nxe3 26. fxe3 Bc6 27.
> Rxa6 Rxa6 28. Bxa6 Kf7 29. b4 Ke7 30. b5 Ba8 31. Rd1 f5 32. Rd7+ Ke8
> 33. b6 Bc6 34. Rc7 Rf8 35. b7 Bxb7 36. Nxb7 Nxb7 37. Rxb7 Rf6 38. Bb5+
> Kf8 39. Rxh7 g4 40. c4 f4 41. c5 f3 42. gxf3 Rxf3 43. Rh5 1-0
>
> [Event "Paris-ch op"]
> [Site "Paris"]
> [Date "1999.07.23"]
> [Round "7"]
> [White "Stoyanov, Stoyan"]
> [Black "Ignjatovic, Miroslav"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C60"]
> [WhiteElo "2049"]
> [BlackElo "2047"]
> [PlyCount "51"]
> [EventDate "1999.07.17"]
> [EventType "swiss"]
> [EventRounds "9"]
> [EventCountry "FRA"]
> [Source "ChessBase"]
> [SourceDate "1999.11.16"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f6 4. O-O a6 5. Ba4 Bc5 6. c3 Ba7 7. d4 Qe7
> 8. Nh4 g6 9. Nf3 h6 10. Bb3 g5 11. Be3 b6 12. Nbd2 b5 13. a4 b4 14.
> Bd5 Rb8 15. Nc4 b3 16. Bxc6 dxc6 17. dxe5 Bxe3 18. fxe3 Be6 19. exf6
> Qc5 20. f7+ Bxf7 21. Nfe5 Be6 22. Qh5+ Kd8 23. Rad1+ Kc8 24. Qe8+ Kb7
> 25. Qxe6 Ne7 26. Nd7 1-0
>
> [Event "AUS-ch"]
> [Site "Melbourne"]
> [Date "2001.12.31"]
> [Round "4"]
> [White "Zhao, Zong Yuan"]
> [Black "West, Guy"]
> [Result "1-0"]
> [ECO "C70"]
> [WhiteElo "2387"]
> [BlackElo "2363"]
> [PlyCount "51"]
> [EventDate "2001.12.01"]
> [EventType "swiss"]
> [EventRounds "11"]
> [EventCountry "AUS"]
> [Source "ChessBase"]
> [SourceDate "2002.11.25"]
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Bc5 5. O-O f6 6. c3 Qe7 7. d4 Ba7
> 8. Re1 Nd8 9. Nbd2 Nf7 10. Nf1 Ngh6 11. Ng3 O-O 12. Bb3 Kh8 13. Nf5
> Nxf5 14. exf5 c6 15. Nh4 d5 16. Qh5 Kg8 17. Re3 Re8 18. Bd2 b5 19.
> Rae1 Bb7 20. Rh3 Qd7 21. Nf3 h6 22. dxe5 Nxe5 23. Nxe5 Rxe5 24. Rxe5
> fxe5 25. Bxh6 Rf8 26. Be3 1-0
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2007 04:35:46
From: EZoto
Subject: Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
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Looks pretty convincing to me?
EZoto
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Date: 09 Dec 2007 09:42:35
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
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Den 2007-12-09 05:35:46 skrev EZoto <[email protected] >:
>
> Looks pretty convincing to me?
>
> EZoto
>
That surprises me. My variation isn't convincing at all. I follow the
recipe of Spassky: play practical chess. Whether the position holds
water in the after-analysis, that doesn't matter much. Chess is a
struggle. Nowadays people are so theoretically minded so when they
discover that playing 7.d4 would have been formally stronger they lose
interest in the game. I bet nobody has even played through the game.
Mats
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 11:57:18
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
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On Dec 8, 5:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
> > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> > 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
> 8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
>
> Mats
Interesting :-) What is your next move?
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 06:37:21
From: Taylor Kingston
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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On Dec 8, 8:06 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 3:32 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Den 2007-12-08 11:18:26 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
> >> > What about the games by other participants of
> >> > this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
> >> > and specific comments?)
>
> >> > On Dec 7, 10:52 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> [Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
> >> >> [White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
> >> >> [Black "Winther,Mats"]
> >> >> [Result "0-1"]
>
> >> >> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> >> >> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d3
>
> >> > I am not a strong player, and I am not
> >> > using any program of chess computer.
> >> > Here is my impression:
>
> >> > After 7.d4 white would have significant
> >> > positional advantage. For this reason
> >> > I think that black went wrong somewhere
> >> > earlier.
>
> >> > Regards,
>
> >> > Wlod
>
> >> The variant is positionally advantageous to white, if he dares to
> >> challenge black. After 7.d4 I would have played 7...f6. It is my own
> >> variant which I call The Mole. I am the "expert" on the variant and he
> >> had never played it before. I have analyzed 7.d4 f6 a great deal, and,
> >> although white is better, Black has resources. His bishop is finely
> >> positioned on a7 and the knight on c6 can maneuver via d8. One can
> >> play g6 and Kf8-g7. It is elastic, and white thinks he is winning, so
> >> he will attack. But then black counterattacks.
>
> >> Mats
>
> > 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> > 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
>
> > Diagonal a2-g8 looks very good for white;
> > e.g. after white moves: Bb3, a4, Ba3 (with
> > a threat b5), Ba2, Qb3, so that there is
> > a strong pressure along a2-g8.
>
> > After 8.b4 your position is awkward:
> > 1.black is behind development wise;
> > 2. Ng8 cannot be developed, not immediately;
> > 3. short castling is not attractive for black;
> > 4.long castling is not attractive for black.
> > 5.after white's move d4-d5, black knight
> > has to go backward from c6 (white is not
> > in any hurry to play d4-d5, but it is something
> > of a threat).
>
> > Once again I feel that white got too much advantage,
> > that it is not a line which I would like to play as black.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Wlod
>
> 8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
> The diagonal a2-g8 is not a big problem because black
> can castle by playing g6, Kf8-g6. The knight at g8 can be
> developed at h6 when the king sits at g7. This is very
> convenient. d4-d5 is not effective because black simply
> plays Nd8 and can maneuver it to f7. Also the diagonal
> a7-g1 is then opened.
>
> It's not that easy. One should try variants that are a little
> awkward sometimes. It pays off because the opponent
> doesn't know any theory and one gets extra advantages,
> like the bishop developed at a7.
>
> Mats
Mats, a minor vocabulary note. In English chess terminology,
"variant" usually means an alternative form of chess, e.g. Kriegspiel,
FischerRandom, Berolina pawns, etc. The word for an opening line, the
word you want in this context, is "variation."
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 04:39:15
From: Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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On Dec 8, 3:32 am, "M Winther" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Den 2007-12-08 11:18:26 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>
>
>
> > What about the games by other participants of
> > this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
> > and specific comments?)
>
> > On Dec 7, 10:52 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
> >> [White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
> >> [Black "Winther,Mats"]
> >> [Result "0-1"]
>
> >> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> >> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d3
>
> > I am not a strong player, and I am not
> > using any program of chess computer.
> > Here is my impression:
>
> > After 7.d4 white would have significant
> > positional advantage. For this reason
> > I think that black went wrong somewhere
> > earlier.
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Wlod
>
> The variant is positionally advantageous to white, if he dares to
> challenge black. After 7.d4 I would have played 7...f6. It is my own
> variant which I call The Mole. I am the "expert" on the variant and he
> had never played it before. I have analyzed 7.d4 f6 a great deal, and,
> although white is better, Black has resources. His bishop is finely
> positioned on a7 and the knight on c6 can maneuver via d8. One can
> play g6 and Kf8-g7. It is elastic, and white thinks he is winning, so
> he will attack. But then black counterattacks.
>
> Mats
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
Diagonal a2-g8 looks very good for white;
e.g. after white moves: Bb3, a4, Ba3 (with
a threat b5), Ba2, Qb3, so that there is
a strong pressure along a2-g8.
After 8.b4 your position is awkward:
1.black is behind development wise;
2. Ng8 cannot be developed, not immediately;
3. short castling is not attractive for black;
4.long castling is not attractive for black.
5.after white's move d4-d5, black knight
has to go backward from c6 (white is not
in any hurry to play d4-d5, but it is something
of a threat).
Once again I feel that white got too much advantage,
that it is not a line which I would like to play as black.
Regards,
Wlod
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 14:06:50
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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Den 2007-12-08 13:39:15 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected] >:
> On Dec 8, 3:32 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Den 2007-12-08 11:18:26 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected]>:
>>
>>
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>> > What about the games by other participants of
>> > this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
>> > and specific comments?)
>>
>> > On Dec 7, 10:52 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> [Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
>> >> [White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
>> >> [Black "Winther,Mats"]
>> >> [Result "0-1"]
>>
>> >> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
>> >> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d3
>>
>> > I am not a strong player, and I am not
>> > using any program of chess computer.
>> > Here is my impression:
>>
>> > After 7.d4 white would have significant
>> > positional advantage. For this reason
>> > I think that black went wrong somewhere
>> > earlier.
>>
>> > Regards,
>>
>> > Wlod
>>
>> The variant is positionally advantageous to white, if he dares to
>> challenge black. After 7.d4 I would have played 7...f6. It is my own
>> variant which I call The Mole. I am the "expert" on the variant and he
>> had never played it before. I have analyzed 7.d4 f6 a great deal, and,
>> although white is better, Black has resources. His bishop is finely
>> positioned on a7 and the knight on c6 can maneuver via d8. One can
>> play g6 and Kf8-g7. It is elastic, and white thinks he is winning, so
>> he will attack. But then black counterattacks.
>>
>> Mats
>
> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d4 f6 8.b4
>
> Diagonal a2-g8 looks very good for white;
> e.g. after white moves: Bb3, a4, Ba3 (with
> a threat b5), Ba2, Qb3, so that there is
> a strong pressure along a2-g8.
>
> After 8.b4 your position is awkward:
> 1.black is behind development wise;
> 2. Ng8 cannot be developed, not immediately;
> 3. short castling is not attractive for black;
> 4.long castling is not attractive for black.
> 5.after white's move d4-d5, black knight
> has to go backward from c6 (white is not
> in any hurry to play d4-d5, but it is something
> of a threat).
>
> Once again I feel that white got too much advantage,
> that it is not a line which I would like to play as black.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wlod
>
8.b4 is a move which no chess engine seems to choose.
The diagonal a2-g8 is not a big problem because black
can castle by playing g6, Kf8-g6. The knight at g8 can be
developed at h6 when the king sits at g7. This is very
convenient. d4-d5 is not effective because black simply
plays Nd8 and can maneuver it to f7. Also the diagonal
a7-g1 is then opened.
It's not that easy. One should try variants that are a little
awkward sometimes. It pays off because the opponent
doesn't know any theory and one gets extra advantages,
like the bishop developed at a7.
Mats
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Date: 08 Dec 2007 12:32:51
From: M Winther
Subject: Re: What about my games? Any good?
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Den 2007-12-08 11:18:26 skrev Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod) <[email protected] >:
> What about the games by other participants of
> this forum? Any good? (What is your conclusion
> and specific comments?)
>
>
> On Dec 7, 10:52 am, "M Winther" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [Event "SM Lidkoping - M.Elit"]
>> [White "Karlsson,Tomas"]
>> [Black "Winther,Mats"]
>> [Result "0-1"]
>>
>> 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Bc5
>> 5.c3 Qe7 6.O-O Ba7 7.d3
>
> I am not a strong player, and I am not
> using any program of chess computer.
> Here is my impression:
>
> After 7.d4 white would have significant
> positional advantage. For this reason
> I think that black went wrong somewhere
> earlier.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wlod
>
The variant is positionally advantageous to white, if he dares to
challenge black. After 7.d4 I would have played 7...f6. It is my own
variant which I call The Mole. I am the "expert" on the variant and he
had never played it before. I have analyzed 7.d4 f6 a great deal, and,
although white is better, Black has resources. His bishop is finely
positioned on a7 and the knight on c6 can maneuver via d8. One can
play g6 and Kf8-g7. It is elastic, and white thinks he is winning, so
he will attack. But then black counterattacks.
Mats
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